Vols no huddle (your opinions)

#101
#101
kptvol said:
First off, if you don't want me to tell you your explanation sucks, don't bother criticizing my post.

Second, I mentioned calling an audible. You implied that it might happen, but didn't directly say it. You haven't been around for the 4 months of debating this stuff. It's been spelled out pretty thoroughly. I feel like if you are going to get your point across, you need to really say it clearly.
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If you don't want me to criticize your post, don't paraphrase my words and pass them off as a new idea.

Here's a question, what is reading a formation and making an appropriate call? We're in a football board with some pretty knowledgeable people... do I have to say the word audible? Or do you just not understand it unless I say that. Actually the only difference I see here was that you explained that Peyton uses almost all the playclock on most snaps. Nice addition, we hadn't said that. Well, we hadn't spelled it out plain as day. So, my post sucks... because... you didn't say it in your words?
 
#102
#102
MrOrange said:
If you don't want me to criticize your post, don't paraphrase my words and pass them off as a new idea.

Here's a question, what is reading a formation and making an appropriate call? We're in a football board with some pretty knowledgeable people... do I have to say the word audible? Or do you just not understand it unless I say that. Actually the only difference I see here was that you explained that Peyton uses almost all the playclock on most snaps. Nice addition, we hadn't said that. Well, we hadn't spelled it out plain as day. So, my post sucks... because... you didn't say it in your words?
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Give me a freaking break here. I didn't paraphrase your words. I explained what a no huddle offense is. If you invented that offense, then perhaps you deserve some credit for my post. Otherwise, eat it. Second, as I've said twice already, there are still people on this board that don't get it. So your knowledgable theory crap goes out the window. Third, I posted something mildly similar to what you posted. Get over it. If I wanted to go through this message board and call out ever post that showed similarities to previous posts I would need a team of hundreds working around the clock for the next 5 months. In fact, I can almost guarantee I posted something explaining the no huddle offense several months ago. Thus, your entire point is moot.
 
#103
#103
kptvol said:
A lot of people have the same misconception. If UT runs the no huddle it will be more like the Colts do it. They go to the line, Peyton looks at the defense and makes some adjustments. It ends up taking about as long as a huddling offense.
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Oh dear. What is this I posted back in March? I wish everyone would quit stealing my ultra-original ideas.
 
#104
#104
kptvol said:
Give me a freaking break here. I didn't paraphrase your words. I explained what a no huddle offense is. If you invented that offense, then perhaps you deserve some credit for my post. Otherwise, eat it. Second, as I've said twice already, there are still people on this board that don't get it. So your knowledgable theory crap goes out the window. Third, I posted something mildly similar to what you posted. Get over it. If I wanted to go through this message board and call out ever post that showed similarities to previous posts I would need a team of hundreds working around the clock for the next 5 months. In fact, I can almost guarantee I posted something explaining the no huddle offense several months ago. Thus, your entire point is moot.
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Well since you spelled it out for everyone so clearly months ago, why did anyone, much less a bunch of us, feel it necessary to talk about it the past couple days? Why didn't we just delete this whole thread and post your manuel on how to run the no huddle offense for dummies so we could save everyone all the trouble. Also, you are making ridiculously broad statements because you wanted to be a jerk and you won't admit that a post you made only a few spots after mine was more than mildly similar. I pointed out that I had just said that, and you were a jerk and got defensive. Excuse me while I cry and write about it in my journal.
 
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MrOrange said:
Well since you spelled it out for everyone so clearly months ago, why did anyone, much less a bunch of us, feel it necessary to talk about it the past couple days? Why didn't we just delete this whole thread and post your manuel on how to run the no huddle offense for dummies so we could save everyone all the trouble. Also, you are making ridiculously broad statements because you wanted to be a jerk and you won't admit that a post you made only a few spots after mine was more than mildly similar. I pointed out that I had just said that, and you were a jerk and got defensive. Excuse me while I cry and write about it in my journal.
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Write in your journal all you want. I posted something months before you did. You then took exception when I posted it again. There's nothing left to argue about at this point.
 
#106
#106
kpt, you dont have to defend yourself around here that's for certain. Im just wondering why you dont have guru status.
 
#107
#107
dan4vols said:
I'm hearing you. But why I'm askin when the coaching staff the last several seasons have'nt been able to master the transference of genius of staff to players the concepts of fundamental tackling and blocking why the would waste time with such an high target tactic? So help me for being an unsophisticated country man I'd ask CPF to his face given the opportunity, when you can't block well enough for a back as fast as Coker to be a true chains moving force, you being from an offensive line background, Why would you waste precious practice time on such a complicated offensive tactic?
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PERFECT
 
#109
#109
GAVol said:
It's a huge advantage if you can keep the defense from say putting a pass rush specialist on the field on 3rd down or conversely, keeping a pass rush specialist on the field and running at him.
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VolinArizona said:
It's a large advantage. Defenses are always reactive, and when you have consistent mismatches that the no huddle will create, it's a large advantage. We should have our best playmakers on the field, and this will keep them on the field against mismatched defenses.
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the reason it's an advantage to not allow the D to substitute is that you know the personnel you are playing against and you can call plays accordingly. it doesn't guarantee anything, but it allows you to FIND the matchup that best suits you and try to exploit it.

that is a big advantage.

and to give a SR. qb time to find those mismatches with a crop of new WR's, that's even better.

the WR's though also have to be on the same page. they have to be able to recognize the exact same thing the QB does and go do it. O line (this has already been mentioned) also to be on their toes....

in theory it's great. if not executed correctly, it could look bad.

but isn't that true of just about everything?

anyway, i like it. in the past when we have run the no huddle, it generally worked. i remember the 2nd half of a GA game couple of years ago (we were already down big and wound up losing anyway) we came out in the 3rd qtr with the no huddle and were very successful with it......

anyway, i think it's a good thing, esp in the right situations.
 
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jakez4ut said:
:yes:

:yes:

the reason it's an advantage to not allow the D to substitute is that you know the personnel you are playing against and you can call plays accordingly. it doesn't guarantee anything, but it allows you to FIND the matchup that best suits you and try to exploit it.

that is a big advantage.

and to give a SR. qb time to find those mismatches with a crop of new WR's, that's even better.

the WR's though also have to be on the same page. they have to be able to recognize the exact same thing the QB does and go do it. O line (this has already been mentioned) also to be on their toes....

in theory it's great. if not executed correctly, it could look bad.

but isn't that true of just about everything?

anyway, i like it. in the past when we have run the no huddle, it generally worked. i remember the 2nd half of a GA game couple of years ago (we were already down big and wound up losing anyway) we came out in the 3rd qtr with the no huddle and were very successful with it......

anyway, i think it's a good thing, esp in the right situations.
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Im not sold on the idea that our coaching staff is astute enough to find the mismatchs, mush less exploit them. By the way, Im all for exploitation.
 
#112
#112
rexvol said:
Im not sold on the idea that our coaching staff is astute enough to find the mismatchs, mush less exploit them. By the way, Im all for exploitation.
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oh, i think they can. in 04, we entered that season with two freshmen qb's and to be perfectly honest, that year was one of hte best coaching jobs, especially in game coaching, the staff has done in a long time.

it was frustrating sometimes for them to sit at the line waiting, and we probably burned some time outs and had delay of game penalties you wouldn't have with a more experienced qb situation, but by and large it worked pretty well, and got us to the SEC title game.

i think this year with the personnel we have and the improvement in some of the position coaches, they are more than capable of doing the same.

the problem is going to be getting them all on the same page and ready in such a short amount of time.
 
#114
#114
I agree with VolinArizona in his statement that people are overreacting to the coaches' quote that they are experimenting with the no-huddle.

One comment that I'll make about everyone else's comments is that another MAJOR change that would result from running a no-huddle offense similar to the that run by the Colts is that both the offensive and defensive lines are forced to remain down in their stance for a significantly longer period of time running this type of offense. That can have detrimental effects to both the offensive and defensive lines. Assuming that the offense is used to that style (as the Colts' offensive line is), you would assume that it would have a bigger negative effect on the defensive line in the fourth quarter.
 
#116
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Vol423 said:
Assuming that the offense is used to that style (as the Colts' offensive line is), you would assume that it would have a bigger negative effect on the defensive line in the fourth quarter.
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:thumbsup: that's correct. if you do it all the time, you are conditioned for it. whereas the opposing line is not, hence and advantage for the offense.
 
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