Vols no huddle (your opinions)

#76
#76
VolinArizona said:
It's a large advantage. Defenses are always reactive, and when you have consistent mismatches that the no huddle will create, it's a large advantage. We should have our best playmakers on the field, and this will keep them on the field against mismatched defenses.
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Your not creating a mismatch by simply using a no huddle, the mismatch most likey would have already been there. Teams are always trying to exploit mismatches, regardless of using a huddle.

Most player substitutions on defense are a result of passing situations like 3rd and long. You can stop a defense from substituting for that with no huddle, but if your offense has 2 or 3 WR, your not bringing in another WR on 3rd and long either.

I stick by what I said originally, the biggest weakness on the team is the depth at DT and CB. Those players wearing down in the 4th quarter will be a problem. Seems like a no huddle offense would get them on the field faster, unless Ainge is using up most of the clock calling audibles. We'll see.
 
#77
#77
oklavol said:
Your not creating a mismatch by simply using a no huddle, the mismatch would have been there regardless. Teams are always trying to exploit mismatches, regardless of using a huddle.

Most player substitutions on defense are a result of obvious passing situations like 3rd and long. You can stop a defense from substituting for that with no huddle, but if yoru base offeense is 2 or 3 WR, your not allowing the offense to bring in another WR on 3rd and long either.
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You are actually. Player wise, and play call wise. When you no huddle the defense has to get setup. This allows you to call a play after seeing the formation rather than calling a play blind. Also it's rare you'll see 3/4 wide for this sort of an offense. Usually two receivers at most.
 
#78
#78
MrOrange said:
You are actually. Player wise, and play call wise. When you no huddle the defense has to get setup. This allows you to call a play after seeing the formation rather than calling a play blind. Also it's rare you'll see 3/4 wide for this sort of an offense. Usually two receivers at most.
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Most QB's go to the line and look for a mismatch and audible to a different play, regardless if they are in a huddle or no huddle offense.
 
#79
#79
Ok fine, there's no reason for a no huddle offense. All the teams who use it have no idea what in blazes they're doing.
 
#82
#82
MrOrange said:
Ok fine, there's no reason for a no huddle offense. All the teams who use it have no idea what in blazes they're doing.
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No your right. Only the teams who use a no huddle offense know what their doing. The rest of the league is clueless.
 
#83
#83
oklavol said:
No your right. Only the teams who use a no huddle know what their doing. The other 75% are clueless.

All the teams that don't use a no huddle dont know what their doing.
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Seriously let's not be jerks. I started that, and I'm sorry. I'm just trying to make the point that it is used by some teams out there, and I really doubt that if it presented no advantage at all anybody would use it. Infact, all the things I'm saying are not things that I've just pulled out of thin air.

Keep in mind you don't use it every down of every game. Say you get a good mismatch from defensive subs, and/or you hit a big play. Then you use it to keep your advantage in place. You also use it just to change things up in midgame. It's just another tool coaches have to help them put points up on the board.
 
#84
#84
MrOrange said:
Seriously let's not be jerks. I started that, and I'm sorry. I'm just trying to make the point that it is used by some teams out there, and I really doubt that if it presented no advantage at all anybody would use it. Infact, all the things I'm saying are not things that I've just pulled out of thin air.

Keep in mind you don't use it every down of every game. Say you get a good mismatch from defensive subs, and/or you hit a big play. Then you use it to keep your advantage in place. You also use it just to change things up in midgame. It's just another tool coaches have to help them put points up on the board.
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Under different circumstances i would be in favor of a no huddle offense. A team with a good, deep defense that could handle being on the field longer, it would be a good change.
 
#85
#85
oklavol said:
Under different circumstances i would be in favor of a no huddle offense. A team with a good, deep defense that could handle being on the field longer, it would be a good change.
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That's a very valid concern if we go to a "Hurry up" style which I doubt you'd ever see us do. Chances are that our version of the no huddle will be everyone going to the line and then using the "Check with Me" that we used so much a couple of years ago. I doubt time of possession will be affected all that much.

Either way, I doubt it's something that we'll use more than 6-8 snaps anyway.
 
#86
#86
oklavol said:
Under different circumstances i would be in favor of a no huddle offense. A team with a good, deep defense that could handle being on the field longer, it would be a good change.
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Right, and I understand what you're saying. But just as we said, you still end up using the same amount of time (usually most of the play clock) as a regular offense. It isn't the hurry-up or two minute drill. Just a huddle skip. So the defense gets the same amount of rest regardless.
 
#87
#87
GAVol said:
That's a very valid concern if we go to a "Hurry up" style which I doubt you'd ever see us do. Chances are that our version of the no huddle will be everyone going to the line and then using the "Check with Me" that we used so much a couple of years ago. I doubt time of possession will be affected all that much.

Either way, I doubt it's something that we'll use more than 6-8 snaps anyway.
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That's "The Freeze" I was talking about
 
#89
#89
oklavol said:
Under different circumstances i would be in favor of a no huddle offense. A team with a good, deep defense that could handle being on the field longer, it would be a good change.
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Offense will be using the same amount of time as has been said approximately 1000 times in this thread. We'll also have a senior QB, so he'll hopefully be able to make good reads. If Ainge has to sit out, then there is no way in hell we'll see the no-huddle. I think the only reason the coaches are toying with this idea is to take advantage of Ainge's experience. Hopefully he'll make adjustments at the line that will make things easier for our young wideouts.
 
#94
#94
kptvol said:
And yet, following his (and my) explanation are about 20 posts that clearly indicate a lack of comprehension as to what the no-huddle involves.
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I think it's more of a reader miscomprehension than mistakes on MrOrange or your parts.
 
#95
#95
kptvol said:
And yet, following his (and my) explanation are about 20 posts that clearly indicate a lack of comprehension as to what the no-huddle involves.
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Thats because most teams run a no huddle at the end of a half and at the end of a game. Its not that common to run it without trying to save time.

Here's an article from american football monthly about the no huddle. They specificly say one of the advantages is you get more snaps per game. Funny how a team does and uses the same amount of time each play.

No Huddle Offense - American Football Monthly
 
#96
#96
Teams run the hurry up no huddle at the end of halves.

Our no huddle is going to be like this:

We quickly get to the line of scrimmage with around 22ish seconds on the play clock. Ainge goes under center or gets into the shotgun set. He probably barks some snap counts, the defense might react, might not. AInge either looks to the sideline (preferably not, as he needs to be able to make the call himself) or calls an audible himself (preferred). He'll point, he'll stand straight up, the defense will try to follow along, and we snap it around 1-3 seconds left. Sometimes, 10, if we think it'll work.

The thing is, we'll control every aspect of our offense. In a huddle, you have less time to read defenses.
 
#98
#98
In my opinion it will probably look something like this:

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I'm really optimistic aren't I?
 
#99
#99
MrOrange said:
Yes. The idea is that you are in total control of the pace. The defense can't sub because you'll quick snap, and if they just go ahead and set up you get a much longer time to read the formations and make an appropriate call. It goes fast and slow. Watch the Colts if you want to see what it looks like because Cut said a lot is being taken from that and Peyton's advice.
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kptvol said:
It allows Ainge to have more time to look at how the defense is set up and then audible accordingly. The Colts run the no-huddle, but Peyton Manning uses almost every bit of the playclock on most snaps.
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So explain to me how yours was more explanatory than mine.

Also I didn't know it was a prereq that someone replies to you before you reply to them.
 
#100
#100
MrOrange said:
So explain to me how yours was more explanatory than mine.

Also I didn't know it was a prereq that someone replies to you before you reply to them.
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First off, if you don't want me to tell you your explanation sucks, don't bother criticizing my post.

Second, I mentioned calling an audible. You implied that it might happen, but didn't directly say it. You haven't been around for the 4 months of debating this stuff. It's been spelled out pretty thoroughly. I feel like if you are going to get your point across, you need to really say it clearly.
 
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