Vols in Super Bowl

[rocytop2624]

Really, you serious? I can't help you until those orange shaded glasses are removed.

I am asking not cause I think he should well I guess 1 or 2 times let him catch some passes he seemed like Kamara like half as good anyway. I haven't seen him play in the league is he that bad?

 

[Tbuc29]

I am asking not cause I think he should well I guess 1 or 2 times let him catch some passes he seemed like Kamara like half as good anyway. I haven't seen him play in the league is he that bad?

I wondered the same thing about Kelly. I would watch Ram highlights to see if he made any plays. It's possible Kelly had trouble with the playbook or was considered a liability in pass protection.

 

[lifeisdeep]

Absolutely no interest in watching the super bowl. After today it’s obvious how corrupt the nfl is. I will only watch college from here on out. Horrible no call in first game and as expected another ‘phantom’ roughing the passer call in the second.

Did you happen to notice the two TDs that the refs gave to KC? Even Nantz and Romo immediately commented on how blatant the pick was on the 38-yard completion that got them to first and goal at the two yard line, and what an awful non-call it was. On the DPI that was called in the end zone, the pass was about five yards away from Kelce, i.e. completely uncatchable; DPI can only be called on a catchable pass, and the Chiefs scored on the next play (which happens a lot when you have first and goal from the one). The Chiefs committed DPI constantly throughout the game and it went uncalled. The Chiefs got four first downs from penalties, compared to one first down from penalty for the Patriots. The Patriots were called for six penalties compared to four called on the Chiefs (that's 50% more for those not good with stats).

The no-call in the Saints-Rams game was absolutely a travesty. But if you think the refs in the second game did anything other than substantially help the Chiefs, you just weren't paying attention, or were watching with an agenda.

 

[lifeisdeep]

Yes. The nfl is actually losing viewers because so many are tired of the Pats, so they rigged it for them to win

Wow, do you have any understanding of the rule book? If the game had been evenly called the Patriots would have won by multiple TDs.

 

[BigOrangeVols]

Absolutely no interest in watching the super bowl. After today it’s obvious how corrupt the nfl is. I will only watch college from here on out. Horrible no call in first game and as expected another ‘phantom’ roughing the passer call in the second.

Oh yeah let's just ignore the calls Alabama gets

 

[volfanbill]

Wow, do you have any understanding of the rule book? If the game had been evenly called the Patriots would have won by multiple TDs.

It’s always fun to take one singular post out of context huh?

 

[lifeisdeep]

Ah yes the good ole you can’t touch Tom Brady without getting penalized canard. You know how many times opponents have been flagged for roughing the passer since the “Brady rule” was instituted in 2009? That would 29. That’s right, 29 times in 10 seasons. That’s the 18th-highest total in the nfl during that period. The Buffalo Bills and Chicago Bears have drawn more roughing the quarterback penalties since then. As have 15 other teams.

Don't pester these people with facts! They can't stand to see a QB that puts to shame a QB who, admittedly, is probably the third best in the history of the league and in his own right an amazing player, and happens to be a Vol, so they perpetuate lies in futile attempts to detract from the former's greatness.

 

[lifeisdeep]

It’s always fun to take one singular post out of context huh?

Forgive me if I read your post too quickly - seems like I might have been the victim of too-adept irony on your part. Carry on!

 

[lifeisdeep]

The logic is awesome. It must also be why the Jets and Giants suck, the Cowboys have been irrelevant for 15 years and they put small media markets like KC and New Orleans in the conference championship game.

Shh! Too much logic! Tin foil hats are melting!

 

[VolinMC]

Won't be watching. I just wish both teams could lose.........................

Me too.
Never liked the Pat's and being a Falcons fan I really dont like them after the Super Bowl.
The Rams are old NFC West foes and never liked them.

 

[volfanbill]

Forgive me if I read your post too quickly - seems like I might have been the victim of too-adept irony on your part. Carry on!

No worries. It happens

 

[lifeisdeep]

If the game is even close the Pats win. The NFL generally does everything in its power to give the Pats the upper hand.

You obviously don't watch many Pats games. Just this season, in just a single game against Pittsburgh, not once but twice when the Patriots had first and goal, on two separate drives, holding penalties were called; both times the drive ending up stalling. None other than our current AD once said that holding could technically be called on every play; guess how many times it was called that game on the opposing team? (Hint: it's a number one less than one.) There was a play in that same game in which not one but two - two! - OL for the opposing team held the same Patriots DL at the same time, on the same play; it was memorialized for tens of millions to see when the broadcast team showed it in slo-mo replay, and Romo tried to spin it by saying, "the OL doing just enough here..." One OL had a hand, with his right arm outstretched far past the outside of his chest, on the chest of the Pats DL, and the other OL had his left hand, with his left arm far outstretched past the outside of his chest, on the other side of the same OL's chest; the DL had momentum and would have been right in the QB's lap for a sack minus the dual hold. It was as blatant as any hold could ever be short of one of them tackling the DL to the ground, and there's no chance that the line judge didn't see it...and it went uncalled, and the Steelers scored shortly after. In that same game, there was a DPI called on Jonathan Jones that put the Steelers in scoring position, and the call was bad enough that Romo and Nantz questioned it when it happened. We lost the game by seven.

There were not one but two different TDs given to the Eagles a year ago in the Super Bowl. One of them, no one even tries to argue was not a rule violation; Foles lined up behind the line of scrimmage on the play he caught a TD pass, but because the league always helps the Pats, somehow, through bizarre reverse help, it went uncalled and led to a TD, the margin of victory in the game. The commentators and everyone else discussed as it was happening that the new catch rules, which were not yet supposed to be in effect, somehow got implemented anyway on a play in which the receiver was bobbling the ball as he went out the back of the end zone - another TD allowed, another masterful "reverse help" for the Pats that gave the Eagles a second TD. Correctly call just those two plays and the Pats win by a TD and Brady and Belichick are playing for their seventh this year rather than their sixth. Guess how many DPI were called on the Eagles the entire game? Zero. And one of their DBs hit our one deep-threat WR square in the helmet at full speed in the first half, causing a concussion and taking said WR (Brandin Cooks) out of the game, and with more of that brilliant reverse help for the Pats, targeting was not called - no penalty whatsoever.

I'm sure they could win ten and some of you would find a way to prevaricate and distort the truth to make it out to be nothing. But by all means, keep spreading untruths (the nice word for it) to detract from the greatest team, player, and coach in the history of the NFL.

 

[lifeisdeep]

Nobody has has more bogus roughing and pi calls that Brady in the history of the nfl. Don’t care about your fake numbers or any response you have.

So at this point you're admitting that you don't care about what the actual game stats as kept by the league state, that you're just going to stubbornly repeat a lie and if you say it enough times it somehow becomes truth, right? ESPN just debunked the myth you're so adamantly asserting, but don't let facts get in the way of your agenda:

Barnwell: Myths vs. realities from Patriots' 18-year dynasty

 

[lifeisdeep]

The Patroits have Shaq Mason from Columbia, Tennessee. Just signed a $50 million contract pre-season.

Derek Dooley told him he was too short to play for the Vols.

I know in passing a guy that's friends with him - says he's the humblest, nicest guy you'll ever meet. I have never met him but it's pretty cool having a player from one's high school alma mater playing with Brady in Super Bowls.

 

[lifeisdeep]

You sound like an intelligent person.

I detect slight irony in this post.

 

[PhoenixAZVol]

Don't pester these people with facts! They can't stand to see a QB that puts to shame a QB who, admittedly, is probably the third best in the history of the league and in his own right an amazing player, and happens to be a Vol, so they perpetuate lies in futile attempts to detract from the former's greatness.

I’m ok with Manning being right behind Montana and Unitas. 3rd is probably right.

 

[PhoenixAZVol]

So at this point you're admitting that you don't care about what the actual game stats as kept by the league state, that you're just going to stubbornly repeat a lie and if you say it enough times it somehow becomes truth, right? ESPN just debunked the myth you're so adamantly asserting, but don't let facts get in the way of your agenda:

Barnwell: Myths vs. realities from Patriots' 18-year dynasty

ESPN. Now there’s a reliable source?

 

[lifeisdeep]

I’m ok with Manning being right behind Montana and Unitas. 3rd is probably right.

Your zealous devotion to untruths is less than admirable. I don't like Lebron James one bit as a person, but I'm not dishonest enough to say he's not top three in the history of the NBA. That's just me though - I dislike lies, for any reason.

 

[PhoenixAZVol]

You obviously don't watch many Pats games. Just this season, in just a single game against Pittsburgh, not once but twice when the Patriots had first and goal, on two separate drives, holding penalties were called; both times the drive ending up stalling. None other than our current AD once said that holding could technically be called on every play; guess how many times it was called that game on the opposing team? (Hint: it's a number one less than one.) There was a play in that same game in which not one but two - two! - OL for the opposing team held the same Patriots DL at the same time, on the same play; it was memorialized for tens of millions to see when the broadcast team showed it in slo-mo replay, and Romo tried to spin it by saying, "the OL doing just enough here..." One OL had a hand, with his right arm outstretched far past the outside of his chest, on the chest of the Pats DL, and the other OL had his left hand, with his left arm far outstretched past the outside of his chest, on the other side of the same OL's chest; the DL had momentum and would have been right in the QB's lap for a sack minus the dual hold. It was as blatant as any hold could ever be short of one of them tackling the DL to the ground, and there's no chance that the line judge didn't see it...and it went uncalled, and the Steelers scored shortly after. In that same game, there was a DPI called on Jonathan Jones that put the Steelers in scoring position, and the call was bad enough that Romo and Nantz questioned it when it happened. We lost the game by seven.

There were not one but two different TDs given to the Eagles a year ago in the Super Bowl. One of them, no one even tries to argue was not a rule violation; Foles lined up behind the line of scrimmage on the play he caught a TD pass, but because the league always helps the Pats, somehow, through bizarre reverse help, it went uncalled and led to a TD, the margin of victory in the game. The commentators and everyone else discussed as it was happening that the new catch rules, which were not yet supposed to be in effect, somehow got implemented anyway on a play in which the receiver was bobbling the ball as he went out the back of the end zone - another TD allowed, another masterful "reverse help" for the Pats that gave the Eagles a second TD. Correctly call just those two plays and the Pats win by a TD and Brady and Belichick are playing for their seventh this year rather than their sixth. Guess how many DPI were called on the Eagles the entire game? Zero. And one of their DBs hit our one deep-threat WR square in the helmet at full speed in the first half, causing a concussion and taking said WR (Brandin Cooks) out of the game, and with more of that brilliant reverse help for the Pats, targeting was not called - no penalty whatsoever.

I'm sure they could win ten and some of you would find a way to prevaricate and distort the truth to make it out to be nothing. But by all means, keep spreading untruths (the nice word for it) to detract from the greatest team, player, and coach in the history of the NFL.

Greatest team would still be the 72 dolphins. They didn’t lose any. Isn’t that the goal. Greatest player would have to be Jerry rice. He is so far removed from his peers it’s ridiculous. Greatest coach, perhaps Belichick but Lombardi also won 5 titles. Belichick also has a lot of baggage with the filming of other teams which had been confirmed. He claims he had nothing to do with the deflating so I’ll take his word for it. Everyone agrees that gets great results from players with an average skil set (yes that includes brady). His schemes are always great too.

 

[lifeisdeep]

ESPN. Now there’s a reliable source?

So your baseless assertion that directly contradicts the actual game-by-game stats of the team in question for two decades is what we should go by then, and not what actually happened in the games? Are you suggesting ESPN is now fabricating stats after the fact to improve the Patriots' image?

The more you type, the more you discredit yourself.

 

[lifeisdeep]

Greatest team would still be the 72 dolphins. They didn’t lose any. Isn’t that the goal. Greatest player would have to be Jerry rice. He is so far removed from his peers it’s ridiculous. Greatest coach, perhaps Belichick but Lombardi also won 5 titles. Belichick also has a lot of baggage with the filming of other teams which had been confirmed. He claims he had nothing to do with the deflating so I’ll take his word for it. Everyone agrees that gets great results from players with an average skil set (yes that includes brady). His schemes are always great too.

I don't know what else to tell someone who calls Brady average. I suppose you think the fact that now even former NFL players and coaches who two or four years ago were not ready to anoint him the greatest, now talk about him being not just the best quarterback in the history of the game, but perhaps the best football player, period, in history? Do you really think you know more about the quarterback position than Steve Young, Rex Ryan, Deon Sanders, Tony Romo, etc. etc. who all laud him as the greatest practically every time they talk about him now? Even Aaron Rodgers has said Brady is the greatest; but then so has Roethlisberger, as have many, many others. I suppose you think they're all getting paid by ESPN, CBS, and Fox to pump up Brady? Belichick had a losing record as a head coach prior to Brady; I suppose you think he would have won five Super Bowls with any other quarterback he could have had?

Just the fact that you mention deflategate shows how little you know about the truth, or how little you care about it. There's a little ol' university called MIT; it's a pretty good university; scientists from there, among many, many other scientists, roundly mocked the NFL when the scandal happened because the very existence of said scandal exhibited zero knowledge of very basic gas laws that every sixth-grader learns in science class. You don't even have to know anything about science, though, to know that whole scandal was fabricated; all you have to do is look at how many times subsequent to that season the NFL bothered to measure PSI in any of the balls - they didn't. If it was such a big deal, why did they stop monitoring it? Because it was all cooked up by the other owners as a way to knock the Patriots down a peg or two. And then they still won the Super Bowl the following year anyway, despite Brady's four-game suspension. But of course any old average quarterback, at the age of thirty-nine, would have thrown for far more than the 466 yards that Brady did; there have been dozens, probably hundreds, of NFL quarterbacks that would have brought their team back from a 28-3 deficit in the third quarter (it was the biggest comeback in Super Bowl history).

 

[PhoenixAZVol]

I don't know what else to tell someone who calls Brady average. I suppose you think the fact that now even former NFL players and coaches who two or four years ago were not ready to anoint him the greatest, now talk about him being not just the best quarterback in the history of the game, but perhaps the best football player, period, in history? Do you really think you know more about the quarterback position than Steve Young, Rex Ryan, Deon Sanders, Tony Romo, etc. etc. who all laud him as the greatest practically every time they talk about him now? Even Aaron Rodgers has said Brady is the greatest; but then so has Roethlisberger, as have many, many others. I suppose you think they're all getting paid by ESPN, CBS, and Fox to pump up Brady? Belichick had a losing record as a head coach prior to Brady; I suppose you think he would have won five Super Bowls with any other quarterback he could have had?

Just the fact that you mention deflategate shows how little you know about the truth, or how little you care about it. There's a little ol' university called MIT; it's a pretty good university; scientists from there, among many, many other scientists, roundly mocked the NFL when the scandal happened because the very existence of said scandal exhibited zero knowledge of very basic gas laws that every sixth-grader learns in science class. You don't even have to know anything about science, though, to know that whole scandal was fabricated; all you have to do is look at how many times subsequent to that season the NFL bothered to measure PSI in any of the balls - they didn't. If it was such a big deal, why did they stop monitoring it? Because it was all cooked up by the other owners as a way to knock the Patriots down a peg or two. And then they still won the Super Bowl the following year anyway, despite Brady's four-game suspension. But of course any old average quarterback, at the age of thirty-nine, would have thrown for far more than the 466 yards that Brady did; there have been dozens, probably hundreds, of NFL quarterbacks that would have brought their team back from a 28-3 deficit in the third quarter (it was the biggest comeback in Super Bowl history).

Ok. This will be my last post about Brady since this is a Vols site. I agree that he has done a great job playing with the patriots. What always seems to be missing is the ‘team’. His kicker, his defense, his all pro offensive line, the coaching staff, his position receivers, Gronkowski should all share in the credit. It seems like people give Brady all of the credit. My opinion, which I’m sure is the minority, is that he has had a lot of help. Maybe I’m missing something but every time I watch him I just don’t see that he’s doing anything with a high degree of difficulty. I never see him have to throw on the run, I never see him throw a 30 yard rope, I seldom see him have to run or make an athletic move. What I see is a guy throwing 5 yard slants to wide open receivers who run for another 10 yards when he does throw it long it’s to Gronkowski who is basically bigger than every one else. What I see is someone running an offense that doesn’t require difficult throws. Again, I’m sure I’m wrong but that’s personally what i See. Calling him the greatest qb is one thing but to call him the greatest player ever is really comical. Guys like walter Payton, Jim brown, Jerry rice. Etc are what I call the best all around athletes to play in the Nfl. Baseball has it right with the way they evaluate players. Nobody says that Bernie Sanders is better than Willie Mays because he had more championships. I not sure why Brady is credited for all of the patriots success like he did it alone. He would certainly not have the first three rings without his defense. he didn’t intercept the ball at the one yard line against the hawks. I’ll give you the Atlanta game but in his other 4 wins he really didnt do anything out of the ordinary and I think the pats would have won with or without him. This is all my opinion and it could be wrong but my opinion is not going to change. I’m out.

 

[lifeisdeep]

The most succinct answer I could give to you is not my lone observation, but that of many. Steve Young said it best, and this is pretty much a direct quote from two or three years ago - again, this is coming from a HOF quarterback: "To me, Brady is the greatest because he does more with less than any other quarterback ever has..." He went on to elaborate how the talent disparity between the players Brady has won with and what other great quarterbacks have had, is enormous. Just as one example: Manning had several years where he had not one, but two HOF wideouts at the same time, in their prime. Brady has had one HOF wideout, that being Moss, and he got Moss at the tail end of his prime; Moss started a rapid decline after that first year with the Patriots (2007), and then he remembered he was Randy Moss and Belichick shipped him off. If I recall correctly, out of all the Super Bowls he has played in, Brady has never had Gronk and Edelman both in the Super Bowl. Last year, Edelman was on IR; two years ago, Gronk was out; etc. Montana had Jerry Rice for most of his career. In 1989, Montana also had Charles Haley and Ronnie Lott playing on his defense - so there were five HOF players on that team at once counting the backup QB (Young). They also had Roger Craig, a four-time Pro Bowler, at running back. Has there ever even been a season when Brady had even two other HOF players on his team besides himself?

The Patriots did indeed have great defenses for the first three Super Bowls; their defenses have also been pretty dismal in the other five, including last year when they gave up 538 yards and 41 points and nullified Brady's record-setting 500-yard game. Malcolm Butler's game-saving interception would not have been necessary if he had not given up a long completion the previous play that put them in scoring position.

Just today, Rex Ryan was talking about how much less talent the Patriots have than many other teams in the league, not just teams that were in the playoffs, but how they do more with less. But they don't do more with less when Brady doesn't play, such as 2008 when they missed the playoffs with a team that was otherwise the same team that had gone 18-1 a year prior.

If you really think the passes Brady makes are simple, I can't help you. I refer you to Romo, who just last night noted that some of the throws Brady was making look simple, but they're about as difficult as a pass can ever be. His precision, timing, accuracy, and knowledge of the game are what set him apart from every other player that has ever played the position, or any position in the sport. If just running fast and jumping high were what made the greatest football player, Cordarelle Patterson would be in the running. If scrambling and throwing long passes accurately every now and then means more than winning five Super Bowls, Aaron Rodgers is the best; but it's safe to say that opinion is in the minority.

 

[Big Al Orange]

The most succinct answer I could give to you is not my lone observation, but that of many. Steve Young said it best, and this is pretty much a direct quote from two or three years ago - again, this is coming from a HOF quarterback: "To me, Brady is the greatest because he does more with less than any other quarterback ever has..." He went on to elaborate how the talent disparity between the players Brady has won with and what other great quarterbacks have had, is enormous. Just as one example: Manning had several years where he had not one, but two HOF wideouts at the same time, in their prime. Brady has had one HOF wideout, that being Moss, and he got Moss at the tail end of his prime; Moss started a rapid decline after that first year with the Patriots (2007), and then he remembered he was Randy Moss and Belichick shipped him off. If I recall correctly, out of all the Super Bowls he has played in, Brady has never had Gronk and Edelman both in the Super Bowl. Last year, Edelman was on IR; two years ago, Gronk was out; etc. Montana had Jerry Rice for most of his career. In 1989, Montana also had Charles Haley and Ronnie Lott playing on his defense - so there were five HOF players on that team at once counting the backup QB (Young). They also had Roger Craig, a four-time Pro Bowler, at running back. Has there ever even been a season when Brady had even two other HOF players on his team besides himself?

The Patriots did indeed have great defenses for the first three Super Bowls; their defenses have also been pretty dismal in the other five, including last year when they gave up 538 yards and 41 points and nullified Brady's record-setting 500-yard game. Malcolm Butler's game-saving interception would not have been necessary if he had not given up a long completion the previous play that put them in scoring position.

Just today, Rex Ryan was talking about how much less talent the Patriots have than many other teams in the league, not just teams that were in the playoffs, but how they do more with less. But they don't do more with less when Brady doesn't play, such as 2008 when they missed the playoffs with a team that was otherwise the same team that had gone 18-1 a year prior.

If you really think the passes Brady makes are simple, I can't help you. I refer you to Romo, who just last night noted that some of the throws Brady was making look simple, but they're about as difficult as a pass can ever be. His precision, timing, accuracy, and knowledge of the game are what set him apart from every other player that has ever played the position, or any position in the sport. If just running fast and jumping high were what made the greatest football player, Cordarelle Patterson would be in the running. If scrambling and throwing long passes accurately every now and then means more than winning five Super Bowls, Aaron Rodgers is the best; but it's safe to say that opinion is in the minority.

Hey GISELE, ( chill out) !!! We know your sweet on him.

 

[lifeisdeep]

Hey GISELE, ( chill out) !!! We know your sweet on him.

I'm definitely not Gisele, just a long-time Pats fan who tires of mealy-mouthed detraction of the greatest dynasty in the history of professional sports.