"Vols have no business in Top 10"

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HoptownVol

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Isn't this guy the UT beat writer? Well he's pumping the brakes awful hard.

So a team that has had one Top 25 finish in the past eight years, peaking at No. 22 in the AP Poll at the end of last year, along with six losses
or more in seven of the past eight years, and went 2-3 against Top 25 teams last year, and only beat three teams with a winning record all season,
one of whom was the Bowling Green Falcons, gets to start the next year in the Top 10? Even though they haven’t been in the Top 10 in over a decade?
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Tennessee Football: Vols Have No Right to be in Any Top 10
 
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The dude is referencing the past too much.

UT isn't a top 10 team, but neither is Notre Dame, Houston, Ole Miss and for SURE not LSU. Why isn't he harping on LSU? That is a joke.
 
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UT is a top ten team on paper. Too much talent and experience to say otherwise to be honest.
 
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Everyone is entitled to an opinion. We cannot lose more than two games if we expect to stay in the Top 10. We should be favored in all but one game this year, so buckle those chin straps.
 
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Whomsoever this whackjob writer is artfully forgets or discounts we took the National Champs into the 4th quarter at their house and ended up only losing by 5 points. The national championship game by the same team blew Michigan State out of the stadium (as we did NW), the Spartans couldn't even give 'em a ball game. MSU was so bad it was not even a scrimmage for the Bammer 1s. Little beat writer may want to be sure MSU stays ranked ahead of us this year then. Dumb %$#@!*&^%$ers.
 
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Not a single word is inaccurate but, doesn't mean I have to like what he wrote.
 
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Persian Vol said:
UT is a top ten team on paper. Too much talent and experience to say otherwise to be honest.
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Yep. This is how preseason polls work. Especially if you finish the season on a high note.

Maybe we disappoint... That'll show how preseason polls are often wrong... But that doesn't mean our record from 7 years ago determines our preseason ranking.
 
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ALGator said:
:question: Not a bad argument.
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Actually, it's a horrible argument. I'm fine saying that the Vols don't deserve a spot in the top 10 because he doesn't believe we're as talented as 10+ teams out there. But what does the past decade have to do with the 2016 preseason ranking? It shouldn't have ANYTHING to do with it. We're in the top 10 because we have 19 returning starters, including some really elite talent, from a team that looked really good the last time anyone saw them. I don't know if we're really a top 10 team or not, but saying we can't, or shouldn't be, because we haven't had a good last 10 years is just bad logic.
 
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ALGator said:
:question: Not a bad argument.
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Actually it's a terrible argument. Polls are based on what is EXPECTED THIS SEASON. How many games a team won in previous years or how many they lost in previous years has zero impact on the future. The number of quality players returning, incoming players and schedule has a heeluva lot more to do with the current season than what happened in previous years.

It's called logic turd head.
 
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I think this is just a reflection of the skepticism out there about whether the experience factor is really going to translate into W's. In years past, to make the leap from 7-5 also ran to 10 or 11 win top ten program, there's usually been a win or two over a big time opponent. Tennessee is missing that, so I think it's natural that people respect the potential of the Vols, but need to see that result on the field before committing.
 
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UT had the lead late in the 4th Q vs 2 playoff teams and the SECe winner.

They aren't a top 10 team, but who do you put ahead of them?
 
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ReaderVol said:
Actually it's a terrible argument. Polls are based on what is EXPECTED THIS SEASON. How many games a team won in previous years or how many they lost in previous years has zero impact on the future. The number of quality players returning, incoming players and schedule has a heeluva lot more to do with the current season than what happened in previous years.

It's called logic turd head.
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Great minds think alike, Reader.... and so do ours!:)
 
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I bet Butch wrote his name down on a piece of paper and stuck it in his back pocket.

You have to earn respect, prove your worth and take victory, period. The only way to not be doubted is to leave no doubts on the field.
 
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wtmvol said:
Actually, it's a horrible argument. I'm fine saying that the Vols don't deserve a spot in the top 10 because he doesn't believe we're as talented as 10+ teams out there. But what does the past decade have to do with the 2016 preseason ranking? It shouldn't have ANYTHING to do with it. We're in the top 10 because we have 19 returning starters, including some really elite talent, from a team that looked really good the last time anyone saw them. I don't know if we're really a top 10 team or not, but saying we can't, or shouldn't be, because we haven't had a good last 10 years is just bad logic.
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ReaderVol said:
Actually it's a terrible argument. Polls are based on what is EXPECTED THIS SEASON. How many games a team won in previous years or how many they lost in previous years has zero impact on the future. The number of quality players returning, incoming players and schedule has a heeluva lot more to do with the current season than what happened in previous years.

It's called logic turd head.
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Are you guys related?
 
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That is a huge stretch given Tennessee’s recent history
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What a nonsensical argument. Only an idiot would think that has anything to do with the current season

I'm so tired of these click bait blogs just throwing out poorly written crap for the sake of a couple more pennies in ad revenue. But I guess it's hard to have pride in a job that's one step above a barista
 
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lawgator1 said:
I think this is just a reflection of the skepticism out there about whether the experience factor is really going to translate into W's. In years past, to make the leap from 7-5 also ran to 10 or 11 win top ten program, there's usually been a win or two over a big time opponent. Tennessee is missing that, so I think it's natural that people respect the potential of the Vols, but need to see that result on the field before committing.
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Or perhaps (pay attention counselor this is the important part) you look at a team with a trajectory headed up and adding more talent and more wins each year the staff has been here. I believe you call that a "trend" don't you?
 
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lawgator1 said:
I think this is just a reflection of the skepticism out there about whether the experience factor is really going to translate into W's. In years past, to make the leap from 7-5 also ran to 10 or 11 win top ten program, there's usually been a win or two over a big time opponent. Tennessee is missing that, so I think it's natural that people respect the potential of the Vols, but need to see that result on the field before committing.
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This is accurate. The issue here is that UT, in my opinion, was better than I expected last year and so the losses were so much more devastating. The gut wrenching losses to OU, UF (when UF had an offense with Grier at the helm), and Bama (the worst being against your Gators and the most understandable the Bama game being a tough back and forth affair on the road rather than blowing a double digit fourth quarter lead) and the inexcusable loss to Arkansas at home when the Gators essentially beat us twice with how flat we were at home set the stage for either a surge or continued floundering. If UT had closed out against OU and/or UF, that would likely be the evidence needed for a top ten preseason ranking since there would be two signature wins from last year, the other being UGA. As it stands, everyone speculating UT is back as a top ten team--which includes me--believes that those tough losses will pay dividends this year and turn into wins. The alternative scenario, which is quite possible although loathsome to me, is that the Vols haven't learned how to win and the decade plus decline of our storied program continues. While I am quite sure that UT will be very good this year, a top ten ranking for this team when we have not beaten a top ten team in years and years seems premature until we get a big win.
 
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wtmvol said:
Actually, it's a horrible argument. I'm fine saying that the Vols don't deserve a spot in the top 10 because he doesn't believe we're as talented as 10+ teams out there. But what does the past decade have to do with the 2016 preseason ranking? It shouldn't have ANYTHING to do with it. We're in the top 10 because we have 19 returning starters, including some really elite talent, from a team that looked really good the last time anyone saw them. I don't know if we're really a top 10 team or not, but saying we can't, or shouldn't be, because we haven't had a good last 10 years is just bad logic.
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I agree. Why would the current players be judged by what a completely different set of players did 10 years ago? The only thing that they have in common is their jersey colors. The current team has gotten better every year for the past 3 years. Preseason polls are worthless anyway.
 
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