Vols have 'good competition' at linebacker

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fade route said:
Sorry, but Jumper is not an SEC caliber LB. The fact that he's the second man up is concerning.
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I'm sorry but not an SEC caliber LB? Did your expert analysis come up with that assessment? Very disrespectful to the player, his family, and the coaches but I'm sure you know more than the coaches.:crazy:
 
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Austin smith and darrin kirkland both looked very good at open practice. Big athletic linebackers
 
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fade route said:
Sorry, but Jumper is not an SEC caliber LB. The fact that he's the second man up is concerning.
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BigBadVol said:
I'm sorry but not an SEC caliber LB? Did your expert analysis come up with that assessment? Very disrespectful to the player, his family, and the coaches but I'm sure you know more than the coaches.:crazy:
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You must realize that the first quote above is "Code" for insertion of this..."white boy (specifically white boy with red hair)...is not an SEC caliber LB."


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butchna said:
Coaches apparently disagree with you...not looking good for you Fade. :)
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He was a 2* who's only offer was from Navy. It's not offensive, insensitive, mean, or a personal knock on the kid to say he's not SEC material. Anyone with a shred of common sense knows that if he's getting significant playing time over Bates and others, something is seriously wrong.
 
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fade route said:
He was a 2* who's only offer was from Navy. It's not offensive, insensitive, mean, or a personal knock on the kid to say he's not SEC material. Anyone with a shred of common sense knows that if he's getting significant playing time over Bates and others, something is seriously wrong.
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In your mind...you're star horny. :). FTR Emmanuel Moseley was a 2 star whose best offer was UNC Charlotte...he aight. :wink2:
 
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walkenvol said:
As was thrown in my direction recently "We should all thank God fade isn't coaching UT Football".

I think it fits your post way better than it fit mine. :hi:
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I'm just glad none of us on this page are the coaches and making the decisions. We got rid of Dooley. :no:
 
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I'll just leave this here...(a little more insight than fade has, in my book)

LWSVOL said:
Mark this down: Jumper will start the season at middle linebacker.

August will be spent trying to find at 3 new starters in the OL. if that doesn't work then those that finished spring at the spots will be starting. not preferred.
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we have a lot of talent scouts on here that should give up the meaningless job and become coaches.
 
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butchna said:
Bad example tho...different defensive systems. Remember we were recruiting bigger LBs when we were trying to convert to the 3-4. Also doesn't hurt that Bama usually gets the big AND fast versions.
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lol. . .bad example, hardly. Whether it is in 3-4 or 4-3 Hightower would still be a fit. You defend the spread with a consistent pass rush and by keeping the run inside. To me that still calls for the prototypical SEC MLB.

We now have a DL that will give us that consistent pass rush and to stop the run inside I think we need that SEC caliber MLB.
 
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WillisWG said:
lol. . .bad example, hardly. Whether it is in 3-4 or 4-3 Hightower would still be a fit. You defend the spread with a consistent pass rush and by keeping the run inside. To me that still calls for the prototypical SEC MLB.

We now have a DL that will give us that consistent pass rush and to stop the run inside I think we need that SEC caliber MLB.
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You missed where I said that Bama traditionally gets big AND fast linebackers.. Not a lot to be had out there and they usually go to Bama. The rest of us recruit to the system we're running.
 
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WillisWG said:
"Tennessee is opting for smaller, faster linebackers who are able to handle facing up-tempo offenses, play in the open field and have the endurance to stay on the field for long drives."

Is the day of the prototypical SEC caliber LB gone? Damn I hope not. Not sure I agree with the smaller, faster LB. A roster with several SEC caliber LBs on it would probably take care of that endurance thing because there just might not be any long drives. jmo
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It depends on what this really means. Chief had a knack for taking a safety and making them a linebacker. I have no problem with this and I think it's smart football to change as your opponents change.
 
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UCDog90 said:
Everyone is so hung up on labels/ratings that what no one sees is whether a kid is a baller or not. By this I mean that a prospect tears it up in the "flag football" camp circuit with an outstanding 40 time/vertical jump/coverage skills, but what no one sees is the fact that in a real game situation, the kid shies away from contact or doesn't like to be hit. Since all the time and effort in recruiting is spent on these prospects, there is no time/effort put into a kid that has comparable, although maybe not as high, measurables. The overlooked kid might be an All-State performer, state leader in statistics, etc., but yet be deemed not worthy due to the lack of star rating or hype.

Now, take this low-rated prospect and add him to a team and what do you have? A dang good player, pretty much equal to the rest in his group, but looked upon in a negative light due to a label ( walk-on ). I'm just saying that a kid should not be minimized due to a label. If he can play, he can play and if he is outworking the higher rated players, then they need to get their butts in gear and "live up to the hype" and separate themselves from the pack!
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Totally agree. It's a team game. The best teams have a couple of these types of players. Obviously, you can't compete with a whole team of them. The guys that are overlooked in recruiting "want it more" or they just don't make it this far. Sal Sunseri's kid was a walk-on that started for the national championship team, after his dad left the program. I bet you could look at the national championship team, every year, and find at least one important contributor that the recruiting services missed.
 
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butchna said:
You missed where I said that Bama traditionally gets big AND fast linebackers.. Not a lot to be had out there and they usually go to Bama. The rest of us recruit to the system we're running.
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No I did not miss it. After watching this Staff recruit I think it is silly to say we could not recruit a big AND fast linebacker.

System wise Auburn runs a 4-3. Watch how Muschamp uses McKinzy this season then we can talk again.
 
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butchna said:
In your mind...you're star horny. :). FTR Emmanuel Moseley was a 2 star whose best offer was UNC Charlotte...he aight. :wink2:
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E. Moseley was a 3* with offers from East Carolina and NC State.

Follow recruiting much?
 
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fade route said:
He was a 2* who's only offer was from Navy. It's not offensive, insensitive, mean, or a personal knock on the kid to say he's not SEC material. Anyone with a shred of common sense knows that if he's getting significant playing time over Bates and others, something is seriously wrong with the recruiting services.
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fade route said:
E. Moseley was a 3* with offers from East Carolina and NC State.

Follow recruiting much?
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Two star when we offered...you know I do. :). More to the point, should his star be so bright with D'Andre Payne having more...by more I mean stars...now the player with less stars is shining bright...flaw in your absolute thinking. :loco:
 
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madbamahater said:
He's NOT more of an OLB. He is a MLB true and through

Junior year? This is his freshman year all over again.

So, you are saying 2 more full seasons before he becomes effective enough to be in a starting roll?

That's just simply unacceptable based on his abilities alone........
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Bates is an OLB. He's learning the Middle spot.

I realize this is Bate's RS freshman year. If he sticks with OLB, then he'll likely be behind JRM for the next 2 years. Bates will play a lot, but I don't see him starting until JRM is gone, unless we're in the 3 LB sets (so not a regular starter).
 
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fade route said:
E. Moseley was a 3* with offers from East Carolina and NC State.

Follow recruiting much?
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Moseley wouldn't have gotten bumped to a 3* if Tennessee hadn't offered him. The recruiting sites wouldn't have given him another look. He had the speed but was too undersized. Nothing double-decker pb&js at 2 AM can't fix.
 
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sammyjoey said:
So Bynum/Jumper/Kirkland/Bates is the rotation at MLB. JRM has one OLB spot locked down. What's happening on the other side?
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Maybe throw Bryant in the mix at the MLB position too. In the 3 LB sets, we'll see Maggitt slid back quite a bit. If he stays at DE or is out, we'll probably see McDowell or Bates on the other side. El. Berry should get some playing time too.
 
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DL916 said:
From what the coaches are saying he seems to be an SEC player. I'll wait and see.
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Why did Jumper only play in one game last year? After AJ was dismissed Jakob Johnson started with Kenny Bynum second team. I have little faith in Bynum or Jumper long term. Bynum has never been fast at any weight so not buying he fits the smaller and faster criteria. Small and fast won't stop Derrick Henry, Samaje Perine or even Brandon Wilds but at least we will still beat Vandy and Kentucky. I was really hoping Kirkland or Bryant would step up and maybe they will.
 
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