Vols can't beat Bama my a$$!!!

[Flipdaddy]

I heard it here all week last week. There's no way we can beat Georgia, CBJ can't coach his way outta a wet paper sack, and a lot more garbage... ***NEWS FLASH*** Tennessee can beat ANYBODY! That's the beautiful thing about college football. Any one can win on any given Saturday. If not, why even watch? Alabama isn't Alabama of old. So don't decide the game before it's played... Here we come Tuscaloosa... Get ready.

Um...I hate to be the one to say it but they were one dropped pass from the same scenario playing out against them again against UGA. Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. UT's problems are far from fixed. Do I think UT can beat Alabubba? Sure! If they play an almost flawless game. If the coaches play to win instead of playing to lose. Coach Jones acting like he's coach a game before. Letting Dobbs dink and dunk to set up the run. Sure UT could win. What we are seeing is great effort by the players and coaches coaching scared.

 

[Other_Guy]

Bet my left nut every back listed above plus Collins and Henry make NFL rosters in the next 2 to 3 years. Conference is crazy deep at RB now.

Henry is overrated. He will make Richardson look like a successful NFL back.

 

[KBVol]

I don't particularly agree with that. However UT cannot give them any gifts.

But to your point, Bama is last in the SEC vs the SEC in turnovers and turnover margin. They are about 4th in TO's gained... but they give it up too.

Took a 5 turnover advantage for OleMiss, a better team than Tennessee, to pull out a one score win vs Bama. We're gonna need at least a 3 turnover advantage to win IMHO.

 

[JC61]

Took a 5 turnover advantage for OleMiss, a better team than Tennessee, to pull out a one score win vs Bama. We're gonna need at least a 3 turnover advantage to win IMHO.

I'm not so sure Ole Miss is that much better....UF handled them pretty easily and they struggled a bit w/ Vandy.

It really comes down to match-ups. Ole Miss isn't running the ball well at all, but their passing game is good. UF's DBs are much better than Bama's...which made a significant difference in the 2 games.

The Ole Miss D is pretty good...a tad better than the VOLS, but they've given up a few scores and I don't think they've played the same level of competition up to this point. Back half of their schedule is much tougher, which will determine how good their D is.

 

[TreeGreen]

Took a 5 turnover advantage for OleMiss, a better team than Tennessee, to pull out a one score win vs Bama. We're gonna need at least a 3 turnover advantage to win IMHO.

I figure it'll be like every other UT game this year. We'll score a bunch of points, but it'll come down to whether or not the D can stop Alabama late in the game at least once or twice.

 

[sjt18]

Took a 5 turnover advantage for OleMiss, a better team than Tennessee, to pull out a one score win vs Bama. We're gonna need at least a 3 turnover advantage to win IMHO.

I am wouldn't trade UT's skill players for Ole Miss'.

It is also "interesting" that a week after UT should have beaten UF in the swamp... they blew that "better team" out. The week before that they struggled with Vandy.

It is quite possible that Ole Miss was overrated.

The UGA game also gives me a little more hope. Bama managed 379 yds of O with 190 passing. UT had 519 with 312 passing and more rushing yds than Bama had. Bama held UGA to less yardage. But they allowed them 10 offensive points while UT allowed them 17... and spent the last two series in a soft prevent D.


Bama is more talented but UT has a real shot in this game IMO for the first time in the last 8-10 years.

 

[JC61]

I am wouldn't trade UT's skill players for Ole Miss'.

It is also "interesting" that a week after UT should have beaten UF in the swamp... they blew that "better team" out. The week before that they struggled with Vandy.

It is quite possible that Ole Miss was overrated.

The UGA game also gives me a little more hope. Bama managed 379 yds of O with 190 passing. UT had 519 with 312 passing and more rushing yds than Bama had. Bama held UGA to less yardage. But they allowed them 10 offensive points while UT allowed them 17... and spent the last two series in a soft prevent D.


Bama is more talented but UT has a real shot in this game IMO for the first time in the last 8-10 years.

agree w/ the Ole Miss perspective.

I'm not taking too much from the UA-UGA game as far as comparisons go. They played in slop and it was a pretty hard rain the entire 2nd half....that had to impact success for both teams offensively...UGA more so than UA.

 

[sjt18]

I guess I just believe that offensively UT compares better than many here seem to think. If UT can turn it into a test of offenses like Ole Miss did... they've got a decent shot.

They're very unlikely to win a defensive slugfest.

 

[terrypedigo]

There strong point front 7, our weakness throwing the ball down field we won't be able to run or throw the short throw's, so what do we do there Defense is a lot better than Florida , the only way we can stay in the game is special team's or turnover's and i mean taking them for 6 if they turn the ball over, I HATE BAMA but this is Nick's best defense since he has been there, hope i am wrong, in my heart and i know it get's old saying wait till next year but deep down next year we will have a great chance at beating them, our OL will be a lot better and they will lose a lot of NFL player's and there Defense won't be nearly as good, i hate thinking that way but if you look at there last 4 or 5 defeat's you had to throw over there front 7 and turn them over but next year we will be on par with there talent and our weakness OL might be a strong point next year.

 

[terrypedigo]

I guess I just believe that offensively UT compares better than many here seem to think. If UT can turn it into a test of offenses like Ole Miss did... they've got a decent shot.

They're very unlikely to win a defensive slugfest.

Ole Miss got 5 turnover's and 1 touchdown bouncing the ball of a helmet and bama still nearly came back.:thud:

 

[sjt18]

There strong point front 7, our weakness throwing the ball down field we won't be able to run or throw the short throw's, so what do we do there Defense is a lot better than Florida , the only way we can stay in the game is special team's or turnover's and i mean taking them for 6 if they turn the ball over, I HATE BAMA but this is Nick's best defense since he has been there, hope i am wrong.

I actually don't hate Bama the way I do UF... no, I'm not under 40.

Again, if UT and Dobbs play like they did vs UGA then there's a shot.

Not sure how you calculate that Bama's D is a lot better than UF's. Their only common opponent so far was Ole Miss. UF completely shut them down. Ole Miss scored 43 on Bama with 100 more yds of total O.

 

[sjt18]

Ole Miss got 5 turnover's and 1 touchdown bouncing the ball of a helmet and bama still nearly came back.:thud:

UT needs to play as well as they did vs UGA and avoid mistakes.

This game isn't the complete mismatch that you seem to suggest.

 

[terrypedigo]

I actually don't hate Bama the way I do UF... no, I'm not under 40.

Again, if UT and Dobbs play like they did vs UGA then there's a shot.

Not sure how you calculate that Bama's D is a lot better than UF's. Their only common opponent so far was Ole Miss. UF completely shut them down. Ole Miss scored 43 on Bama with 100 more yds of total O.

I am looking for hope maybe giving them to much respect but how do we move the ball on there Defense the sweep won't work we can't run between the tackle's and if we thrown the wide out screen they will pick it of if we run it 6 or 7 time's like we have been doing.

 

[terrypedigo]

UT needs to play as well as they did vs UGA and avoid mistakes.

This game isn't the complete mismatch that you seem to suggest.

Did you see what bama did to the Dawg's 2 week's ago, i just don't think we can score over 20 point's on there defense.

 

[MaTaLa]

Um...I hate to be the one to say it but they were one dropped pass from the same scenario playing out against them again against UGA. Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. UT's problems are far from fixed. Do I think UT can beat Alabubba? Sure! If they play an almost flawless game. If the coaches play to win instead of playing to lose. Coach Jones acting like he's coach a game before. Letting Dobbs dink and dunk to set up the run. Sure UT could win. What we are seeing is great effort by the players and coaches coaching scared.

Funny you choose to focus on a GA advantage that should have happened and ignore those that favored UT. Also I fail to see going for it, twice, on 4th down as coaching scared. Not diminishing what I did see as coaching way too conservatively in earlier games but just didn't see it vs GA. I'm more than open to being enlightened on the subject though.

 

[JC61]

I'm not getting my hopes up too high but there is a chance. I think our O can move the ball on bama...could be wrong, but I believe UF has a better overall D. Then again...it's about the match-ups and we have to find more success in the vertical passing game. The way they played against UGA gives some hope....but a couple of the catches our guys made were flat out awesome more than great throws.

CBJ and staff have film on UA just like they do on the VOLS. TAMU is going to give them a good test, and like someone else said on here - with the similarities, could give the staff a good idea of what will and won't work.

Our D gives me more cause for concern at this point...the DL is whittlin' away to nothing and the DBF needs to step it up.

With an extra week to heal and focus on things the staff believes will work I like our chances....maybe a punchers chance like someone mentioned but I'm not ready to roll over yet.

 

[jakez4ut]

UT needs to play as well as they did vs UGA and avoid mistakes.

This game isn't the complete mismatch that you seem to suggest.

that's a tall order right there given our propensity to make them this season.

SJT, i think the tenor you're getting regarding this game is because the notion that we can just line up beat Alabama seems almost impossible. it's been a long time since we had a team capable of that.

i know i can't get my head around it. you seem to think there are match up advantages, and that we can line up and just beat them.....maybe i missed them, but for argument's sake, what advantages do you see?

 

[JC61]

that's a tall order right there given our propensity to make them this season.

SJT, i think the tenor you're getting regarding this game is because the notion that we can just line up beat Alabama seems almost impossible. it's been a long time since we had a team capable of that.

i know i can't get my head around it. you seem to think there are match up advantages, and that we can line up and just beat them.....maybe i missed them, but for argument's sake, what advantages do you see?

I'm not sjt but here is my take - UA hasn't done well in the past against mobile QB's. They're probably going to spy on Dobbs which should leave someone unattended. Running yds are going to be tough, but I think we'll get some. The real key is whether we use the middle of the field like they did against UGA. I can see some success there, which may help to open the run game a little more...or even out routes. One thing I'd also like to see at least once is a long pass to a spot (which some on here think is Dobbs strong suit) and have a WR haul'n @$$ on a streak to get it.

I also think Debord is a better OC than some are giving him credit for. I think he, and Jones, can draw up an effective game plan to be successful.

Again...our defense concerns me more in this one...mostly due to all the injuries on the front line and frequent lapses in the DBF.

Then again...I could be way wrong on all accounts.

 

[jakez4ut]

I'm not sjt but here is my take - UA hasn't done well in the past against mobile QB's. They're probably going to spy on Dobbs which should leave someone unattended. Running yds are going to be tough, but I think we'll get some. The real key is whether we use the middle of the field like they did against UGA. I can see some success there, which may help to open the run game a little more...or even out routes. One thing I'd also like to see at least once is a long pass to a spot (which some on here think is Dobbs strong suit) and have a WR haul'n @$$ on a streak to get it.

I also think Debord is a better OC than some are giving him credit for. I think he, and Jones, can draw up an effective game plan to be successful.

Again...our defense concerns me more in this one...mostly due to all the injuries on the front line and frequent lapses in the DBF.

Then again...I could be way wrong on all accounts.

thanks JC. my biggest concern is the defense as well. i think our game plan, offensively will mirror the FL game. with hopefully some better executed pass plays. i do expect a trick or two with two weeks to prepare.

but as far as match ups go, for our favor, the mobile QB against their Def front appears to be an advantage given their past struggles, so i agree.

but past that...i cant' find another matchup that i say "yeah, we win that". :blink:

 

[sjt18]

I am looking for hope maybe giving them to much respect but how do we move the ball on there Defense the sweep won't work we can't run between the tackle's and if we thrown the wide out screen they will pick it of if we run it 6 or 7 time's like we have been doing.

Saban's D's at Bama have historically struggled with running QB's. That includes Dobbs last year.

The emergence of the hitch last week vs UGA was pretty big. That is a play that compliments UT's run game well.

Dobbs threw well down the middle and they hit some good deeper throws down the sideline.

The ability to run and throw in the middle will help the outside runs.

I'm still not calling a UT win. I just don't think it is the impossible scenario that so many of you do. I would also add that while Bama is still elite on D but not as good as they were two years ago and for a few seasons prior to that.

 

[sjt18]

that's a tall order right there given our propensity to make them this season.

SJT, i think the tenor you're getting regarding this game is because the notion that we can just line up beat Alabama seems almost impossible. it's been a long time since we had a team capable of that.

i know i can't get my head around it. you seem to think there are match up advantages, and that we can line up and just beat them.....maybe i missed them, but for argument's sake, what advantages do you see?

Bama has struggled against running QB's. This is a new D for Bama and Dobbs will be the first true running QB they face. IF Dobbs plays well then that opens up other things... it makes other things advantages that aren't with a different QB.

Dobbs runs and they can't key on Hurd so much. If Dobbs and Hurd run then Dobbs can hit the TE's and WR's down the middle then Bama can't creep their S's up. If this happens then Bama can't roll help to the outside where their CB's aren't quite what they've been in the past.

The threat of Dobbs running is big whether he runs or not. He needs some good gains to prevent Bama from doing what they like to do... then he needs to hit the hitches and then the mid-range passes.

IF... IF... the Dobbs that showed up vs UGA shows up then it is "game on."

 

[jakez4ut]

Bama has struggled against running QB's. This is a new D for Bama and Dobbs will be the first true running QB they face. IF Dobbs plays well then that opens up other things... it makes other things advantages that aren't with a different QB.

Dobbs runs and they can't key on Hurd so much. If Dobbs and Hurd run then Dobbs can hit the TE's and WR's down the middle then Bama can't creep their S's up. If this happens then Bama can't roll help to the outside where their CB's aren't quite what they've been in the past.

The threat of Dobbs running is big whether he runs or not. He needs some good gains to prevent Bama from doing what they like to do... then he needs to hit the hitches and then the mid-range passes.

IF... IF... the Dobbs that showed up vs UGA shows up then it is "game on."

so there's not any one match up that you think favors us, just the "if's" regarding Dobbs. and that's fine, i agree with you in merit.

no pressure kid.....:thumbsup:

 

[sjt18]

so there's not any one match up that you think favors us, just the "if's" regarding Dobbs. and that's fine, i agree with you in merit.

no pressure kid.....:thumbsup:

No. I'm saying that his play changes the basis for determining who matches up better.


I think UT's WR's and TE's match up OK against a Bama secondary that isn't quite as good as they've been in the past. If Dobbs plays well then that becomes a good match up for UT.

If Dobbs hits the hitches and slants then that helps the OL tremendously.

The OL's that have had the most success against them haven't necessarily been the "best" players. They've been the ones often that play with a running QB. The running QB changes the responsibilities of Bama's front 7 in a way that can help an OL.

Bama does things defensively that give them a schematic advantage. The spread O generally and running QB specifically takes some of that away.

On D, UT just has to play and not worry about the last play. I do not see any clear UT advantages other than Sutton against whoever he covers.

 

[Cartervol]

It's all about Dobbs... That beat up Oline will have to give him some time. He'll have to use his legs at times also. I don't think you can expect the defense to do a whole lot to stop Bama. So we'll have to put some drives together. Hopefully make a special teams play or two and put the pressure on Bama too have to win it late. Maybe we make a play. That's best case scenario. Or we just get boat raced out of there and it's on to Kentucky.

 

[Flipdaddy]

Funny you choose to focus on a GA advantage that should have happened and ignore those that favored UT. Also I fail to see going for it, twice, on 4th down as coaching scared. Not diminishing what I did see as coaching way too conservatively in earlier games but just didn't see it vs GA. I'm more than open to being enlightened on the subject though.

Sooooo...you don't think this staff could get star struck by bama and revert right back to coaching the way they did in the first half of the season? Soooo... They've completely cured the bad decisions? Listen, I'm proud of the fight in the players. I'm just still not convinced these coaches have decided to coach to win week in and week out. Maybe they have. Time will tell but it is up to them to show us.
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