Vols Achilles Heel

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fade route said:
My fear is that the real problem is what VFL34 alluded to during the game last Thursday, and that's that the team believes their #9 ranking alone is good enough to get it done. If this isn't corrected, it's on Butch.
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I don't necessarily disagree with him at all. We as fans sometimes forget these are humans not robots. And not only are they humans but they're young impressionable humans and they absolutely can be affected one way or the other by words/actions of others.
I think we will see a more disciplined team tomorrow night.
 
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jlindsa4 said:
By this, you are implying that good coaching means running trick plays and going for it on fourth down when we have a strength in our punter.
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No, I'm implying that good ole mantra "Coach with a pair and your team plays with a pair."

Butch was unpredictable that game. Go back and watch it. I'm not saying a trick play makes him a good coach, but he sure hasn't "coached with a pair" in recent memory.
 
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Stoked said:
I don't get where people are getting this from. Was the tackling that bad? I watched the game twice and thought it was good. There wasn't a ton of broken tackles and not many if any breakout plays. I guess I'm just used to how bad tackling was under Dooley, that I thought it looked pretty good last Thursday night.
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I agree...I don't think the tackling was terrible...I think it was blocking! The Oline was on their heels the entire night and was thrown by the speed from their D and for whatever reason Dobbs was not doing Dobbs...he is not a passer. I love that they are trying to make him more dimensional but he's best on the ground. Overall, however, the biggest problem with our team last week was focus! I don't think we were ready for that scheme from a lesser squad. We thought we would handle them and when we lost a leader and playmaker early on and had calls go the other way we lost our wits and didn't recover until the last quarter. I think we will be a better team because of it though and a lot can be said for the confidence building that an OT win has...no matter who the opponent!
 
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Reply i am going with 3 directly coorelated to option 1.

I don't think Mahoney is the guy. Its now been 4 years of offensive line troubles that should be a large clue that Mahoney is just not getting ot done.

I do think AFTER we drop a game or 2 that Butch and Debord will finally scheme around it a bit but I cant see it happening until we drop to Florida.

I would give anything to have Pittman and Chaney back.
 
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SigSaurP228 said:
Reply i am going with 3 directly coorelated to option 1.

I don't think Mahoney is the guy. Its now been 4 years of offensive line troubles that should be a large clue that Mahoney is just not getting ot done.

I do think AFTER we drop a game or 2 that Butch and Debord will finally scheme around it a bit but I cant see it happening until we drop to Florida.

I would give anything to have Pittman and Chaney back.
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I think it is a combination of Mahoney and a blocking scheme that makes these kids overthink their job instead of just putting a hat on somebody. I think Dobbs' legs have made the scheme look way more effective than it is.
 
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Our Achilles Heel is our dependence on being able to run the ball. If you can prevent us from running the ball effectively, we haven't shown that we can beat you another way. In the last 2 seasons against Power 5 conference teams, we are 0-7 when we rush for less than 3.5 yards/rush. When we rush for over 3.5 yards/rush, we are 10-3. In 2 of those 3 losses (Alabama from 2014, and Arkansas last year), though we rushed for over 3.5 per carry, they were able to hold Dobbs in check, keeping him at under 2 yards/rush. Florida last year was an obvious aberration, and that's a discussion for another day.

EDIT: sorry on the yuck formatting. Is there a way to get a simple table from Excel pasted in a post here with gridlines visible?

Year Team Rushing Yards Yards/Rush Win/Loss
2014 Ole Miss 0 0 Loss
2014 Florida 28 1 Loss
2014 Missouri 53 1.8 Loss
2015 Oklahoma 129 2.9 Loss
2014 Oklahoma 112 3.4 Loss
2014 Georgia 117 3.4 Loss
2015 Alabama 132 3.4 Loss
2015 South Carolina 153 3.7 Win
2014 Vanderbilt 170 3.8 Win
2015 Arkansas 133 4 Loss
2014 Alabama 181 4.2 Loss
2014 Kentucky 214 4.2 Win
2015 Georgia 207 4.3 Win
2015 Northwestern 226 4.3 Win
2015 Missouri 248 4.9 Win
2015 Florida 254 5 Loss
2014 Iowa 283 5.5 Win
2015 Kentucky 249 5.8 Win
2014 South Carolina 344 6.3 Win
2015 Vanderbilt 331 6.4 Win
 
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Don't see any Negavols in Bristol-- just lots of happy people wearing orange and saying "Go Vols!"
 
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Ummm...looks like they really really really sucked at losing to me IMO.

It's a dern shame cuz they tried extremely hard to give it away but in the end they just couldn't lose.

Losing is the "archillies heel" judging off of one single game.
 
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Based on last Thursday I'd say #3. Hard to run or pass with on OLine playing like that. With that said #1 will be something to watch for the long term.
 
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orange parmejohn said:
I think it is a combination of Mahoney and a blocking scheme that makes these kids overthink their job instead of just putting a hat on somebody. I think Dobbs' legs have made the scheme look way more effective than it is.
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This. Look at Worley behind a Don Mahoney o-line, sacked 29 times in the 2014 season, and that was with Dobbs having to take over in the Alabama game.

If it were not for Dobb's ability to scramble last year, our o-line issues would have been even more glaring.
 
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volinbama256 said:
dumb... so being naive and just "yay, go team" positive gets us wins and makes the staff and players perform up to their ability? I want some of what you are having... :good!:
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It's just like anything else in life, it don't have to be all one way or another. There is a such thing as practical. So many fans are just dragging excuse after excuse out of their arse after that performance and others are so down on this team and staff and criticize and/or reach so far to try and make things more negative than they actually are. One extreme to the other.

The team played flat and made a bunch of mistakes and Butch/Debo almost gave the game away. No excuses for either but the team don't usually play that flat and make that many mistakes and Debo had our offense doing pretty well last year so it's too early to rip them to shreds as well.

Like you eluded to, "Go Team" no matter how bad things get is not gonna help get us wins but do you think the people that are being so negative and criticizing any and everything and trying to drag down every Vol fan on the board is gonna help get us wins?

When it comes time for Butch to go, it's time to harp on all the flaws and turn on him. That's practical and common sense, after an ugly game against a lesser opponent and being 1-0, not very practical IMO.

GO VOLS!!!
 
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photovol said:
Tennessee, just 1 game into 2016 had a few weaknesses show up against Appalachian State.
If you had to pick an Achilles Heel for team 120, what would you guess will be the 1 thing that limits this team?

1. Mike Debord/play calling


2. Dobbs inability to throw the deep or intermediate pass


3.Vols Oline



4. poor tackling on defense


5. Combination of 1 and 2


6. Turnovers
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1. OL

2. OL

3. OL

4. OL

5. OL

6. OL

Everything else about the offense fixes itself if the above is fixed.
 
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both lines--offence and defense, need to have their hearing checked because they played like they were deaf last week. They would move only after the other team moved. Like they didn't want to go first.

Let's try going first Saturday night.
 
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All this posting about number 1 and number 2... I gotta go to the loo.
 
#46
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4th qtr defense will be the difference. With quality depth our defense will secure victory for the Vols. Clutch, that will be the identity #120.
 
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photovol said:
Tennessee, just 1 game into 2016 had a few weaknesses show up against Appalachian State.
If you had to pick an Achilles Heel for team 120, what would you guess will be the 1 thing that limits this team?

1. Mike Debord/play calling


2. Dobbs inability to throw the deep or intermediate pass


3.Vols Oline



4. poor tackling on defense


5. Combination of 1 and 2


6. Turnovers
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7. This is only year four.

Everyone knows it takes 6-7 years to build an SEC program.
 
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VersaceButch said:
7. Coaching. In general. Not just DeBord.

I've seen Butch get outcoached more times than not, and almost always in a big game. He rarely makes successful second half adjustments. Coaching is our achilles heel at the moment. I have still yet to be impressed by him. The last time I vividly remember Butch standing out above the crowd was the Georgia 2013 game. Trick plays, going for it on 4th down, TRICK PLAYS ON 4th DOWN, I mean just name it. He coached a hell of a game that night, but ever since that game most times he has just looked overmatched.
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Great at getting players- in-game adjustments below average. MaKES bad decisions way too much.
 
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#50
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the fan base that makes countless threads about stuff in the past...that is what limits us.
 
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