Vols 3 & 4 In SEC RB List

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I'm glad the article does mention the fact there are question marks with Chubb. It'll be interesting to see how he does recover with on field performance this year given the type of injury he had.

Right now though, I might rate Kamara and Hurd higher than Chubb given the current unknown situation of Chubb's return.
 
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#4
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I really hope Chubb comes back better than before BUT I hope he waits until after we beat UGA.
 
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KBVol said:
You really think Hurd is better than Fournette?
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Easily.

Fournette has a great o-line that makes him look better. While Hurd has been held back by a terrible o-line. Hurd is obviously bigger and stronger. He has better agility and cutting agility along with similar first step explosion and acceleration. He's also a better receiver and pass protector.

As an overall RB, Hurd is better.

Right now Fournette's only advantage in long range speed. We'll see how Hurd looks this year on that regard. I think he shuts up guys like you who question his open field speed.
 
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KBVol said:
You really think Hurd is better than Fournette?
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I do. He did his running behind a makeshift line and most yards were after contact. Fournette got shut down second half of the year. Just my preference though.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Easily.

Fournette has a great o-line that makes him look better. While Hurd has been held back by a terrible o-line. Hurd is obviously bigger and stronger. He has better agility and cutting agility along with similar first step explosion and acceleration. He's also a better receiver and pass protector.

As an overall RB, Hurd is better.

Right now Fournette's only advantage in long range speed. We'll see how Hurd looks this year on that regard. I think he shuts up guys like you who question his open field speed.
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LSU has a great OL? Really? Did you watch the LSU-Bama game last year? Fournette was breaking tackles just to get back to the line of scrimmage. They ate him alive, absolutely nowhere to run all night long ....it was a complete jailbreak for Bama's front 7 all game long.

Conversely, our OL gave Jalen room to run...he had holes and creases most of the day. He wasn't even touched his 4th qtr TD run.

Look, I've said over and over that Jalen is one of the top backs in the SEC and nation. But he's not THE best....that's Fournette and everyone sees and acknowledges it except you.

Let's see who runs for more yards, attends the Heisman ceremony and goes first in the draft, shall we?
 
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KBVol said:
LSU has a great OL? Really? Did you watch the LSU-Bama game last year? Fournette was breaking tackles just to get back to the line of scrimmage. They ate him alive, absolutely nowhere to run all night long ....it was a complete jailbreak for Bama's front 7 all game long.

Conversely, our OL gave Jalen room to run...he had holes and creases most of the day. He wasn't even touched his 4th qtr TD run.

Look, I've said over and over that Jalen is one of the top backs in the SEC and nation. But he's not THE best....that's Fournette and everyone sees and acknowledges it except you.

Let's see who runs for more yards, attends the Heisman ceremony and goes first in the draft, shall we?
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LOL @ using one game as evidence. Fournette led the nation in yards before contact last year. Before the Bama game, I think he was averaging over 5 yards a carry BEFORE CONTACT. That's insane. Hurd's yards before contact was something like 1.3. This is why I'm not swayed but Fournette's total yards advantage over Hurd. He had a much easier road than Jalen.

Just because LSU ran into a d-line better than their o-line doesn't make them not great.

On the point of our success running against Alabama. That was because of Dobbs not the o-line. Like everything else you can't see much beyond a stat sheer. Because Alabama had to honor Dobbs on the read option, Hurd was able to find room to get to the edge. If we tried to run from a pro style set, we would have run into the same brick wall LSU did.

Dobbs is the reason our rushing attack is so successful. Not our porous offensive line.
 
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Can we get a thread titled "D4H and KB argue with each other" and just have all this merged into one spot?
 
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Our scheme in general was a big reason we HD rushing success against Bama too. Debord and the offensive staff did a good job of employing some plays they hadn't put on tape yet that did a good job of attacking 3-4 fronts and putting their LBs in tough situations.

LSU's run game, on the other hand, depends a lot less on misdirection, so Bama's (really, really good) front seven was able to just play them head up and attack.

I don't think LSU's OL is dominant or amazing or anything. But they were a much more solid unit than UT's in 2015. You can't glean that from box scores, though ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
LOL @ using one game as evidence. Fournette led the nation in yards before contact last year. Before the Bama game, I think he was averaging over 5 yards a carry BEFORE CONTACT. That's insane. Hurd's yards before contact was something like 1.3. This is why I'm not swayed but Fournette's total yards advantage over Hurd. He had a much easier road than Jalen.

Just because LSU ran into a d-line better than their o-line doesn't make them not great.

On the point of our success running against Alabama. That was because of Dobbs not the o-line. Like everything else you can't see much beyond a stat sheer. Because Alabama had to honor Dobbs on the read option, Hurd was able to find room to get to the edge. If we tried to run from a pro style set, we would have run into the same brick wall LSU did.

Dobbs is the reason our rushing attack is so successful. Not our porous offensive line.
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1. I used the respective Alabama games for Tennessee and LSU to show you that LSU's line wasn't great and Tennessee's wasn't terrible. But if I understand you correctly, our OL was awful but they could handle Bama's DL.....but LSU's great one couldn't.

2. Fournette led the country in broken tackles and was top 5 in yards after contact....Hurd did not and was not.

3. Talk about LOL! Where the hell did you pull the stat that LF was averaging 5 yards per carry before contact? Out of your arse as usual?

4. So Hurd had the benefit of one of the best runners in all of college football in the same backfield as his QB. I agree with that. He also had another future NFL draft pick back there.

Who exactly did Fournette have to help him in the running game? He had Brandon Harris at QB who couldn't hit the broad side of a barn in a prostyle offense....so, try nobody....it was LF left and LF right and everybody knew it. Yet he still racked up nearly 2,000 yards in only 12 games......thanks for inadvertently further supporting my point.
 
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"The tape don't lie" Lol

In this conversation the stats really don't matter, although they tell the same story that LF is the best RB in the nation and there's a pretty decent gap between him and number 2 in the SEC IMO. I think Hurd is the best at pass blocking, has better hands, and is ONE OF the best RB's in the SEC but LF is THE best RB.

Just watch the games. LF has a lil quicker 1st step, breaks tackles better than any other RB and his vision is better plus he has better break away speed. That's not a knock on Hurd, it's just that LF is actually that word D4H likes to use so much, a "generational talent."

Hurd is awesome, quick for such a big guy. He runs mad and Im pulling for him to do great things. He will be one of the Vols we talk about for years to come no doubt. LF is just better IMO

Vs LSU we did have Dobbs to help open up Hurd to run plus we spread the field and Bama just has probs with spread teams with mobile QB's. LSU played Bama's game though. Line up and play power football against the D thats built to stop that style and faces it in practice and just so happened to be the best front 7 in the country IMO. I'm not sure which Oline was better tween ours and Lsu's but IMO LF is the best RB, Hurd is either 2nd or 3rd in the SEC depending on if Chubb returns to form.

I meant TN vs Bama and LSU vs Bama and it came out us vs lsu
 
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I can't believe this is really a debate at this point. They are different style backs for sure but LF has better agility, quickness, and break away speed. JH does a few things better no doubt but LF if it's NFL we are talking about and you have to select a RB with both on the board, you'd be crazy to skip over LF.

Sometimes you just have to take off the orange shades for a non-biased opinion.
 
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....I found an ESPN article that listed LF yards before contact at 5 before the ALA game but can't find anything referencing Hurds YBC.

I would also keep in mind that it may not be just a kudos to the OLine....could also be he hits holes very quickly.

At 6.5 Per attempt....its impressive.
 
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