Vols 2nd In SEC Wins

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VolPack22 said:
And the possibility of not making it to ATL the past 2 years. We have been the 2nd best team in the SEC 2 years running and may have nothing to show for it.
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Im not sure UT is in 3rd alone this year must less 2nd both years.
 
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BeecherVol said:
Im not sure UT is in 3rd alone this year must less 2nd both years.
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15-4 would be the 2nd best in the SEC the last 19 games, which is a large sample size, and besides the Alabama slaughtering the other 3 losses were by a combined 15 points which includes a 5 point loss at Alabama, a loss in OT at A&M and a disappointing 3 point loss at South Carolina. What do all of those have in common? Close losses on the road that we easily could've. Who else in the SEC would stack up against us in that timeframe besides Alabama? Answer: nobody.
 
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MWAVolfan said:
Meaningless cherry picked stat meant to make them look better than they are. Hey if you are that desperate to find positive talking points then use this stat:

Tennessee is undefeated in games in which it scored more points than its opponent.

Means just as much.
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ESPN was the first to use this stat as it was shown at the beginning of the LSU/AR game.
 
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VolPack22 said:
15-4 would be the 2nd best in the SEC the last 19 games, which is a large sample size, and besides the Alabama slaughtering the other 3 losses were by a combined 15 points which includes a 5 point loss at Alabama, a loss in OT at A&M and a disappointing 3 point loss at South Carolina. What do all of those have in common? Close losses on the road that we easily could've. Who else in the SEC would stack up against us in that timeframe besides Alabama? Answer: nobody.
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The east is trash. The best team on our side that we beat just got hammered by Arkansas and is more than likely gonna be hammered again this week by LSU. Neither of which can even win their division. LSU would win the east by 2 games.

Edit (just looked at the standings).
Arky is 5th in the west. They beat the current 1st place team in the east.

A&M 4th in the west beat the current 2nd place team in the east.
 
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I've never been a fan of hand-picked stats like this. Why 17 games? That's not a season. It's not two seasons. It's not a standard measure of any sort. Therefore, it is clearly chosen to favor one of the teams being compared. Well ,that's weak sauce.

I'd honestly prefer not to hear about these kinds of hocus pocus stats. Like chewing on air and trying to make a meal of it. Trying a little too hard. JMO of course.
 
#57
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BeecherVol said:
The east is trash. The best team on our side that we beat just got hammered by Arkansas and is more than likely gonna be hammered again this week by LSU. Neither of which can even win their division. LSU would win the east by 2 games.

Edit (just looked at the standings).
Arky is 5th in the west. They beat the current 1st place team in the east.

A&M 4th in the west beat the current 2nd place team in the east.
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Your points are kinda mute. We throttled Florida for 38 unanswered points and quite honestly could've hung 50 on them had our receivers caught the ball in the first half. And Georgia beat Auburn who throttled Arkansas for what was probably the dominate win in college football this year. That's the SEC for you. Anybody can beat anybody and losses happen unless you're Alabama of course. For us to have the 2nd best record in the best conference in America over the last 19 games is something to be proud of after the last decade of a dumpster fire. We are getting back to where we should be and if people are too proud or stubborn to realize it then they can go kick rocks.
 
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VolPack22 said:
Your points are kinda mute. We throttled Florida for 38 unanswered points and quite honestly could've hung 50 on them had our receivers caught the ball in the first half. And Georgia beat Auburn who throttled Arkansas for what was probably the dominate win in college football this year. That's the SEC for you. Anybody can beat anybody and losses happen unless you're Alabama of course. For us to have the 2nd best record in the best conference in America over the last 19 games is something to be proud of after the last decade of a dumpster fire. We are getting back to where we should be and if people are too proud or stubborn to realize it then they can go kick rocks.
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Not really my points prove the east is way behind the west. UT is better than it was no doubt. Not hard to do after following Dooley. And when you compare it to the east its evident. If you want to leave the argument there you have a point. If you want to include the entire conference you dont have one. The west's 4 and 5 could win the east. That doesnt work the other way.

The any given Saturday doesn't apply to a season. Check the east's records against the west over the last 2 years and get back with me if you still believe that.
 
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VolnJC said:
Yeah he must have meant overall..we are 3-3 this year and were 5-3 last year...still being 2nd overall isn't terrible
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1st place prize, a bran new Cadillac
2nd place prize, a set of steak knives
3rd place... you're fired!:salute:
 
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BeecherVol said:
Not really my points prove the east is way behind the west. UT is better than it was no doubt. Not hard to do after following Dooley. And when you compare it to the east its evident. If you want to leave the argument there you have a point. If you want to include the entire conference you dont have one. The west's 4 and 5 could win the east. That doesnt work the other way.

The any given Saturday doesn't apply to a season. Check the east's records against the west over the last 2 years and get back with me if you still believe that.
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The West 4 and 5 would not win the East. Arkansas has 4 SEC losses already and A&M will be joining them by seasons end. And of course the 4th best East team(currently us btw) couldn't win the West. If you haven't realized Alabama runs that division and the conference year in and year out so realistically nobody has a chance of winning that division. It's a race for 2nd place every year. Given all the things we've been through this year, our record at seasons end will have us 2nd or 3rd in the West which equates to us being the 2nd or 3rd best team in the conference which is why this thread was started. We will be the 2nd best team in the SEC over a 20 game period when Alabama is the class of college football so I guess my point is if we didn't have to deal with Alabama every single year and they weren't a part of the SEC we would have a chance of winning the conference every year and that's something not everyone can say.
 
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VolPack22 said:
The West 4 and 5 would not win the East. Arkansas has 4 SEC losses already and A&M will be joining them by seasons end. And of course the 4th best East team(currently us btw) couldn't win the West. If you haven't realized Alabama runs that division and the conference year in and year out so realistically nobody has a chance of winning that division. It's a race for 2nd place every year. Given all the things we've been through this year, our record at seasons end will have us 2nd or 3rd in the West which equates to us being the 2nd or 3rd best team in the conference which is why this thread was started. We will be the 2nd best team in the SEC over a 20 game period when Alabama is the class of college football so I guess my point is if we didn't have to deal with Alabama every single year and they weren't a part of the SEC we would have a chance of winning the conference every year and that's something not everyone can say.
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Bama holds no relevance to who is second or whether or not UT would beat them for the west if they were in that division. That has nothing to do with the discussion.

Of course Arky nor A&M would win the east with their current/projected records. But you are also making the false assumption that both teams are 3 or 4 loss teams with an east schedule. That really falls apart when both beat the top 2 teams in the east head to head.


A 5-3 UT or UF team does not mean they would have the same record with a west schedule. Who you play and beat matters in regards to the conference pecking order.
 
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As to Bama not being in the conference that would open the door for 5 or 6 teams with UT not necessarily being the clear cut successor.
 
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Good PR seeks to change/shape the narrative.......

Stats are just one means of accomplishing that goal....

Beating teams with lesser talent is another way to control the narrative....and that didn't happen against USCe....

10-7 over the last 17 SEC games offers no new information as everyone following the program can see progress....

However, a loss to an inferior team because of an inferior coaching performance in year 4 is very discouraging and extremely difficult to explain away....with STATS....

:salute:
 
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VolPack22 said:
The West 4 and 5 would not win the East. Arkansas has 4 SEC losses already and A&M will be joining them by seasons end. And of course the 4th best East team(currently us btw) couldn't win the West. If you haven't realized Alabama runs that division and the conference year in and year out so realistically nobody has a chance of winning that division. It's a race for 2nd place every year. Given all the things we've been through this year, our record at seasons end will have us 2nd or 3rd in the West which equates to us being the 2nd or 3rd best team in the conference which is why this thread was started. We will be the 2nd best team in the SEC over a 20 game period when Alabama is the class of college football so I guess my point is if we didn't have to deal with Alabama every single year and they weren't a part of the SEC we would have a chance of winning the conference every year and that's something not everyone can say.
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The STATS do NOT support a claim that we are the 2nd Best Team in the SEC to Bama.....

You have to go all the way back to 2008 to find a game where we beat a SEC West team--34-3 over Miss. State.
We haven't beaten one team from the West since then...

Over CBJ's tenure we are 0-8 against the SEC West--with an average margin of loss sitting at 20 points...

2015 Arky game loss at 24-20 is the closest we have come to beating a team from the WEST--and they went 5-3 in the SEC with all 3 losses coming against teams from the West...with the point that even a 5-3 team from the WEST went undefeated against East teams!

Simply stated--our record would not be 10-7 if we had to play 6 SEC West teams every year and 2 from the East.
 
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BeecherVol said:
Bama holds no relevance to who is second or whether or not UT would beat them for the west if they were in that division. That has nothing to do with the discussion.

Of course Arky nor A&M would win the east with their current/projected records. But you are also making the false assumption that both teams are 3 or 4 loss teams with an east schedule. That really falls apart when both beat the top 2 teams in the east head to head.


A 5-3 UT or UF team does not mean they would have the same record with a west schedule. Who you play and beat matters in regards to the conference pecking order.
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agreed. it's not really debatable presently how much better the West is vs. the East. LSU, Auburn, aTm would all win the East given an East Schedule. Ole Miss and Ark would lose no more than 2 games, probably being their 2 west opponents. Bama goes w/out saying...MSU is the only team in the West that i don't think would win it, or have a shot at winning it.

flip it, and if UT, UGA and FL played a west schedule....combined, in 5 games so far this year, there's exactly 1 win between the 3 of us. so you tell me how many West games this side of MSU we'd all win, each, this season? 3? FL drubbed by Ark, w/LSU still to play...we got our doors blown off by Bama and gave up 600 yards to aTm, GA got beat down by a fairly bad Ole Miss team, and the lone win was by GA that didn't score an offensive TD against Auburn. the only other W as KY over the aforementioned MSU team.

it's not even close right now.
 
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jakez4ut said:
agreed. it's not really debatable presently how much better the West is vs. the East.

it's not even close right now.
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Agree with these statements wholeheartedly....

Since 2013--or in the time of CBJ's tenure at UT--the SEC WEST holds a 39-14 record (0.736) over the East as of today.

Arky is 3-4
Aub is 5-3
Bama is 8-0
LSU is 6-1....will play Fla this Saturday..
Miss. State...is 6-2
Ole Miss is 5-2...
Texas A&M is 6-2....

We haven't beaten a team from the West since 2008...and that was a very poor Miss. State team...

Any way you want to look at it....0.736 says that Jake is right when he says that "it ain't even close." :salute:
 
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