Vol Twitter Called Out

[tbones0711]

I think both would be equally as bad. I think DW will hire someone out of left field that will surprise people.

I do hope he utilizes the players and possibly Peyton's input before finalizing any deal. I want the players to want to be here and possibly offset this current exodus. Just pay that type of coach.

 

[vavolfan6]

Well, we just had management tell us that they were looking to hire someone with P5 Head Coaching experience. We supposedly have alot of interest in the position as well.

Tony Elliot may be a good coach, but we would be hiring another unknown. Which would have been understandable if we didn't garner the interest we are. I mean we have names like Fleck, Campbell, Kiffin, Obrien, Franklin, Fisher all being thrown around

 

[vavolfan6]

EDIT : Double Post

 

[tbones0711]

Thats fine but its idiotic. This job is closer to UCLA and Nebraska than it is Alabama and Georgia. When you have an opportunity to take a good coach you take it. No one is rebuilding this thing in 2 years. Its going to take 5+ years to get to 8-9 wins on average.

Vol fans don't have 5 years of patience. They just demonstrated that with Pruitt. We just need a decent solid hire not a damn miracle worker!!

 

[JonGrudensAgent]

I am not going to get too worked up over a blog that willingly calls itself "Rubbing the Rock ".

I legitimately like Elliott and think it could be worse.

Also think it could be a lot better and an established head coach would be preferable to navigate the upcoming sanctions and rebuild.

 

[GUNTERSVOL]

Whose career has UT killed? Dooley bounces around the NFL and has had an SEC OC position, he doesn't seem to be interested in being a HC again, and Butch stayed at Alabama because he could collect $8 million dollars while doing so.

I think a lot of coaches would entertain the idea for a ~40 million dollar contract, and the resources the AD can bring to bear. UT hasn't sucked because of lack of funding or recruiting, we've sucked because of a decade of bad coaching and AD hires. The NCAA sanctions are the only unknown at the moment that are going to make the job less appealing.

ON THE OTHER HAND, would it make sense to pull the trigger RIGHT NOW and give a guy a multi-year contract at 7 mil or more, with the potential his first two years might be while we are on probation and have scholarship reductions.. He might only have his last year or so to try to really turn the program around. If leadership DOES HAVE indications these are the PROBABLE conditions, COULD we be better served to go the interim route to allow the NCAA to establish the actual penalties, allow a better pool of replacements to become available, further reduce our buyouts, and give our targets actual not speculative conditions to do their risk/reward analysis as we approach them. I think that is reason we brought in Steele, not as THE plan, but as an insurance backup plan if we are unable to get ONE of the right guys to pull the trigger. I think he is respected and connected enough to backfill any coaching defections for next season. I don't want to repeat the fill the position from a bad pool deal, even one limited by unknowns. That is how you end up with Kiffins, Dooleys, Joneses and Pruitts. I hope there are real final solutions out there. Would a GOOD hire right now suffer due to his early conditions when he might be the winner we want with a start later in the penalty phase.? Lot's of valid questions with little or no factual ways to answer them.

 

[VolMarine1371]

Do you think a coach like Campbell, Fleck, or Franklin would leave a decent situation for what could be a possible career killer?

If Franklin can win at Vandy he can win at UT with much more resources at hand.

 

[VolsSince78]

Then you've go John Embree, Will Muschamp, David Beaty, DJ Durkin, Charlie Weis, Paul Rhodes, and Chuck Amato all trying to learn on the job.

I’m not advocating for a Coordinator to be hired as our coach. I just answered the specific question you asked. So, with my answer, look no further than the top two teams in our own division.

More successful examples: Paul Chryst, James Franklin, Les Miles (OSU),
Marginally successful examples: Dave Cutcliffe (Ole Miss), Mike Leach (Texas Tech), Mark Stoops, Schiano
Another “jury out” example: Justin Wilcox

These examples along with aforementioned Smart and Mullen indicate first time P5 HCs hired from another school CAN be successful. % likelihood? My gut says less than 50/50, but I don’t care.

Fact is we won’t know whether Danny White makes a good hire for 2-3 years regardless of the coach’s prior experience.

 

[BeardedVol]

ON THE OTHER HAND, would it make sense to pull the trigger RIGHT NOW and give a guy a multi-year contract at 7 mil or more, with the potential his first two years might be while we are on probation and have scholarship reductions.. He might only have his last year or so to try to really turn the program around. If leadership DOES HAVE indications these are the PROBABLE conditions, COULD we be better served to go the interim route to allow the NCAA to establish the actual penalties, allow a better pool of replacements to become available, further reduce our buyouts, and give our targets actual not speculative conditions to do their risk/reward analysis as we approach them. I think that is reason we brought in Steele, not as THE plan, but as an insurance backup plan if we are unable to get ONE of the right guys to pull the trigger. I think he is respected and connected enough to backfill any coaching defections for next season. I don't want to repeat the fill the position from a bad pool deal, even one limited by unknowns. That is how you end up with Kiffins, Dooleys, Joneses and Pruitts. I hope there are real final solutions out there. Would a GOOD hire right now suffer due to his early conditions when he might be the winner we want with a start later in the penalty phase.? Lot's of valid questions with little or no factual ways to answer them.

What guarantee is there that Steele stays if we were to hire Elliott? Is White going to make that a condition of Elliott's hiring, that Steele has to be his DC? What keeps Steele from taking another job at the end of the season?

 

[Woodlawn VOL]

Vol fans don't have 5 years of patience. They just demonstrated that with Pruitt. We just need a decent solid hire not a damn miracle worker!!

There isn't a sec school worth it's salt going to keep anyone that isn't going in the right direction after 3 or 4 years. If your not competitive after 4 years or at least showing good signs of improvement your not going to be around any University that is serious about winning. No SEC school or any big time program is going to wait 8 years. This is just a FACT! GBO!!!!!!

 

[Boston_Vol]

Why can’t you learn for 2 years if we are giving to be behind the 8 ball for two years ( at the least) our roster could be ready by year 3 with the right guy so as long as coaching kinks are worked out by then as well then why not? We are a dumpster fire right now facing sanctions and we can’t afford someone to learn here??? It’s not that we have hired some people to learn here that’s been the problem, it’s the fact that they didn’t learn. They did the same dumb **** in year 3-5 that they did in year one. Big difference there

Like you said IF. That's conditional. Why do that when you can hire someone who's already had the growing pains? The program would be a lot further along in 3 years than if you hired someone who took 2 years to learn.

 

[tpsdave]

Tony Elliot might be a good HC at some point, but UT is not the place for him to learn how to be a HC.

We just went through a 3-year disaster of watching Pruitt try to learn on the job, why would anyone think that UT fans should want to do the same again for another three or more years?

Have gone through much longer than a three year disaster. Tennessee is not viewed as it was 10-20 years ago. Recruits are younger than the last national championship and are looking for teams that will get them in the NFL. And quite frankly; UT isn't on that list...

 

[Hbd10]

Like you said IF. That's conditional. Why do that when you can hire someone who's already had the growing pains? The program would be a lot further along in 3 years than if you hired someone who took 2 years to learn.

Buddy this was all in speculation if “ those” guys turned us down. Elliot was never my first choice, I just wouldn’t jump off the cliff if it had to be him

 

[tbones0711]

ON THE OTHER HAND, would it make sense to pull the trigger RIGHT NOW and give a guy a multi-year contract at 7 mil or more, with the potential his first two years might be while we are on probation and have scholarship reductions.. He might only have his last year or so to try to really turn the program around. If leadership DOES HAVE indications these are the PROBABLE conditions, COULD we be better served to go the interim route to allow the NCAA to establish the actual penalties, allow a better pool of replacements to become available, further reduce our buyouts, and give our targets actual not speculative conditions to do their risk/reward analysis as we approach them. I think that is reason we brought in Steele, not as THE plan, but as an insurance backup plan if we are unable to get ONE of the right guys to pull the trigger. I think he is respected and connected enough to backfill any coaching defections for next season. I don't want to repeat the fill the position from a bad pool deal, even one limited by unknowns. That is how you end up with Kiffins, Dooleys, Joneses and Pruitts. I hope there are real final solutions out there. Would a GOOD hire right now suffer due to his early conditions when he might be the winner we want with a start later in the penalty phase.? Lot's of valid questions with little or no factual ways to answer them.

That's a well thought-out post except recruiting may suffer more going interim which will eventually set us behind even more. Best case scenario is hurry-up and learn the penalties and move from there. UT is trying to show ncaa it regrets these violations occurred by implying the integrity card and hiring White. May come out of this better than expected if ncaa realizes the players already leaving and damage already incurred.

 

[tpsdave]

If Franklin can win at Vandy he can win at UT with much more resources at hand.

There is no way UT has more resources at hand than Penn State. Penn State is viewed as a 'winner." UT; not so much...

 

[VolArmy74]

I mean look bud its okay to be wrong. No one said anything about a high school coach or anything of that sort. I'm simply saying Elliott is a good coach. You have people over here talking about Bob freaking Stoops like he would ever look this direction. Then someone said Frank Reich who was in the playoffs coaching a good team. That dude doesn't even know where the campus is much less want to come coach here.

I don't care if Clemson fans are upset with his playcalling. they're competing for national championships......not the right to go to the Sunkist Geico trust Fund Bowl. They have every right to be angry if he screws up. We do not.

They've averaged 44 ppg for 3 straight seasons. I'm sure the fans upset with playcalling are mental giants if they even exist.

 

[Orange.natty]

Fans who spend their hard earned money to go to games and have their taxe dollars go to the state school have the right to voice their opinions. Coaches who cannot handle the twitterverse because of their fragile egos arent fit for a Power 5 job...

While that is true, administrators who listen to them end up with a series of poor decisions. Fans are passionate and emotional but if whomever is hired comes in and wins we’ll support that person. Administrators should (emphasis on “should”) have more depth of knowledge about the needs and requirements and should be better able to make a good decision.

 

[volmainia2]

We have maybe the most passionate fan base in the country...we also have alot of dumbazzes imo... truth is we are down right now, facing scholarship restrictions and probably a bowl ban, and have to face Florida, Georgia, and Alabama every year when they are on the rise or at the top. It's not as easy as throwing millions of dollars at a proven coach. We could have a very good team and still lose to those 3 and the fan base would be calling for that coach to be fired in year 2-3.....I'd be ecstatic to get Eliott or Fleck as head coach. Clemson football: Some Tennessee fans think they’re too good for Tony Elliott

kiff can win with 3 and 4 stars

 

[Keefus]

I'm gonna support whoever they hire. I have my preference, but I'm not the AD making hire.

 

[Volinnooga]

Tony Elliot might be a good HC at some point, but UT is not the place for him to learn how to be a HC.

We just went through a 3-year disaster of watching Pruitt try to learn on the job, why would anyone think that UT fans should want to do the same again for another three or more years?

While I agree with your comments conceptually, what HC is out there that we can attract? Other than a HC from a smaller school who hasn't faced the week in week out rigors of a Power 5 football schedules?

 

[molsen81]

I've always thought Tony Elliot would make a great HC for us but our fan base is stupid and unrealistic. They probably think we can get Saban.

 

[BeardedVol]

I've always thought Tony Elliot would make a great HC for us but our fan base is stupid and unrealistic. They probably think we can get Saban.

Right, because not wanting to risk another on-the-job training coordinator hire if there is another option, means that the fanbase expects UT to hire a once-in-a-generation coach like Nick Saban.

 

[BondJamesBond]

What guarantee is there that Steele stays if we were to hire Elliott? Is White going to make that a condition of Elliott's hiring, that Steele has to be his DC? What keeps Steele from taking another job at the end of the season?

I thought about this at the time he was hired. I think Steele was hired to be a DC first and a safety net second. The 450k they paid him was to cover the transition to signing day (and beyond if needed) and to have an interim on staff if the HC was terminated. If a new coach doesn't want him to be DC, he can pay the man what he is owed and send him on his way, or find a place to use him on the staff. Did the administration have this much foresight? Who knows, but you know Fulmer and the Chancellor had to evaluate this knowing that firing Pruitt was a possibility.

 

[vegasvolfan]

We have maybe the most passionate fan base in the country...we also have alot of dumbazzes imo... truth is we are down right now, facing scholarship restrictions and probably a bowl ban, and have to face Florida, Georgia, and Alabama every year when they are on the rise or at the top. It's not as easy as throwing millions of dollars at a proven coach. We could have a very good team and still lose to those 3 and the fan base would be calling for that coach to be fired in year 2-3.....I'd be ecstatic to get Eliott or Fleck as head coach. Clemson football: Some Tennessee fans think they’re too good for Tony Elliott

Fleck yeah... Elliott... I wouldn’t scoff at it like some did with the past 3... but I wouldn’t be ecstatic because he hasn’t proven any more on the offensive side of the ball than Pruitt was has on the defensive side of the ball.

 

[VolArmy74]

Well, we just had management tell us that they were looking to hire someone with P5 Head Coaching experience. We supposedly have alot of interest in the position as well.

Tony Elliot may be a good coach, but we would be hiring another unknown. Which would have been understandable if we didn't garner the interest we are. I mean we have names like Fleck, Campbell, Kiffin, Obrien, Franklin, Fisher all being thrown around

They said they were looking for someone with integrity both in the press conference and during Boyd's KNS interview. I've yet to see anywhere either Boyd or Plowman said we were only going to hire a head coach, let alone a sitting P5 coach. I'd love to see the link to that somewhere.