Vol Nation is under attack

#26
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BowlBrother85 said:
Exactly! I'm proud of this fan base right now. One day after another humiliating defeat at the end of our worst season ever, our tone deaf administration somehow thought we would be satisfied to have Greg Schiano named as head coach. They tried to serve us a turd when we had ordered a prime grade filet mignon. We threw it back as we damn well should have. The fan base is the only thing that has kept the Vol football ship afloat the last 10 years. Any other fan base would be so apathetic by now, they wouldn't have cared who was hired.
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Great point about apathetic. ND is a great example of apathy right now. Once it takes root it is dang near impossible to get rid of. The media attacked us horribly last year for running ads in local papers and Indy Star(Yes I was a part of it) demanding change. But in the end I believe it served some purpose, we let the admin know we expect more.
 
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Heard on three separate podcasts today, (Fighter and the Kid and Joe Rogan being two of them) that have nothing to do with sports mention what happened with us on Sunday. Rogan probably had the best logical response to it but everyone else was just simply criticizing us for our “public lynching with no evidence”.

Its unreal how big of a story we became. Im proud to be a Vol
 
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#29
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fla said:
We deserve some of the backlash. Things like the rock painting will probably cost the Univ millions. Defamation of character when in a court of law is innocent. I get the reaction to the hire not the big fish we were looking for. Freedom of speach is not free of responsibility.
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I don't think you understand how freedom of speech works.
 
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Red Forman said:
How did UT as an entity defame anyone? UT can't be held responsible simply because someone painted the rock. Any university communication regarding Schiano was carefully parsed by attorneys. Stop with the hand wringing.
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Red Forman would be so embarrassed. Someone's feelers got hurt! Good thing thing he got hired by... Oh that's right.
 
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10acvols said:
I'm not sure why outsiders care so much about what goes on here. IMO It's out of fear. Why else would we be under such brutal attack? VN has shown the power of the fan and that scares people. Right or wrong, we have a right to voice our opinion. :peace2:
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Definitely out of fear. They see all the money and passion we've got invested into our program and know we're a hibernating grizzly bear that'll be destroying everything in it's path once it wakes up.
 
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californiadomer said:
Thank you. :)

It was a great series. Hopefully you guys get your man; and we move on from our Cincinnati failure and play again in the future.
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Yeah when I saw Kelly first coach at ND and then Butch coming from Cincinnati I knew we were in trouble.
 
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californiadomer said:
Great point about apathetic. ND is a great example of apathy right now. Once it takes root it is dang near impossible to get rid of. The media attacked us horribly last year for running ads in local papers and Indy Star(Yes I was a part of it) demanding change. But in the end I believe it served some purpose, we let the admin know we expect more.
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Yeah ND deserves better. I have actually been to some games at South Bend. My son went to law school there.
 
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temptn said:
Yeah when I saw Kelly first coach at ND and then Butch coming from Cincinnati I knew we were in trouble.
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Yeah, low hanging fruit. Sad thing is we kept him after a 4-8 season and now he had just a good enough year to not get canned. We likely will draw an good opponent and get clobbered in our bowl game. Our weak AD will come out and polish that same smelly turd and say progress is made!.
ND stinks and it is hard to watch. We were good for 8 weeks this year, then people figured out our QB can't pass.

End rant
 
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10acvols said:
I'm not sure why outsiders care so much about what goes on here. IMO It's out of fear. Why else would we be under such brutal attack? VN has shown the power of the fan and that scares people. Right or wrong, we have a right to voice our opinion. :peace2:
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From their perspective, Tennessee fans attacked the reputation of an innocent man. Maybe they are trying to make us aware that freely exercising our rights can have consequences. Especially when we are wrong.

No they do not fear us. They just see us as a joke. At the time with our AD being so secretive about the search, we didn't have the time to verify the accuracy of the article fed to us. Personally, I regret how this went down.

If you ever experience a false accusation or someone close to you does, maybe you will be just a little slower and careful in expressing opinion. Maybe we should all learn that. Me too.
 
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temptn said:
Yeah ND deserves better. I have actually been to some games at South Bend. My son went to law school there.
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Great school, hefty bill. lol

Great place to see a game. Not as loud s Neyland but when we were good we could pack a punch. I am glad that I can drive a couple hours now and witness the passion of the game again. Even if the Vols were bad the fans came and were loud and cared..

That is why the media again just doesn't get it; and likely never will.
 
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The media is being hypocritical in their criticism of vol fans. I saw on several of the sports talk shows discussions about where Chip Kelly would fit in. Most all talked about him having baggage over a minor infraction. In my eyes, Schiano also had baggage in that he was out of a program with the worst scandle in NCAA history. Just being a part of that program, even though he wasn't charged, was still not a good thing hanging around your neck.
 
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As for the rest of the nation and anyone in the SEC who thinks as they do:

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Your opinion means about as much for us as Patrick Ferguson's meant to our ancestors. Say what you will. Pitch your ***** for Schiano all you wish. Protect the enabler because he is one of yours. It will not play in Tennessee. Not now. Not ever.
 
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fla said:
We deserve some of the backlash. Things like the rock painting will probably cost the Univ millions. Defamation of character when in a court of law is innocent. I get the reaction to the hire not the big fish we were looking for. Freedom of speach is not free of responsibility.
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Trust me the last thing anyone with the last name of Schiano wants to do is come to Tennessee, have to go under oath, and ask a jury to prevail on his behalf.
 
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californiadomer said:
I'm a domer who has followed the Vols for years. I showed up here when Kiffin left and promised ND would take revenge (we failed at that). I moved to Tennessee a while back and have started to follow UT more and more; so not all outsiders wish harm. I want UT to succeed and get back to the top.
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I should have been more specific. I was really talking about the media. I just don't understand why they can't just let us be who we are without all the hate.

Also, I wouldn't consider anyone who follows UT sports to be an outside, no matter where you are from or live.
 
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T.N. Buckingham said:
He had his chance to sue McQueary. He chose not to do so.

Going to be difficult to sue a rock painter when you refused to defend yourself against a statement made under oath.
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That was not as simple a situation as you want to make it out to be. MsQueary's claims of intimidation by other staff members would have made that suit very difficult. If Schiano is truly innocent of that allegation, I hope someone finds a way to clear his name. And not just for legal purposes, but for peace of mind.

Sandusky screwed up more lives than just his victims. I am sick of seeing his name.
 
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10acvols said:
I'm not sure why outsiders care so much about what goes on here. IMO It's out of fear. Why else would we be under such brutal attack? VN has shown the power of the fan and that scares people. Right or wrong, we have a right to voice our opinion. :peace2:
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Because the big orange horde went full blown lunatic and accused a man of turning a blind eye to child rape... when there was no substantial proof of such..... some dumb ass kid painted the rock as such....
 
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10acvols said:
I'm not sure why outsiders care so much about what goes on here. IMO It's out of fear. Why else would we be under such brutal attack? VN has shown the power of the fan and that scares people. Right or wrong, we have a right to voice our opinion. :peace2:
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Because the big orange horde went full blown lunatic and accused a man of turning a blind eye to child rape... when there was no substantial proof of such..... some dumb ass kid painted the rock as such....it was lunacy
 
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dgcarter43 said:
The media is being hypocritical in their criticism of vol fans. I saw on several of the sports talk shows discussions about where Chip Kelly would fit in. Most all talked about him having baggage over a minor infraction. In my eyes, Schiano also had baggage in that he was out of a program with the worst scandle in NCAA history. Just being a part of that program, even though he wasn't charged, was still not a good thing hanging around your neck.
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Not really. The media guys, since they are in that business, knew that Schiano's baggage was just McQueary's claim. Being aware of the more up to date information and findings is part of their job.

Funny thing is that claim was something McQueary testified in court he himself did. He definitely saw a kid being molested and didn't stop it. What he said about Schiano was supposedly told to him by someone else. That is just hearsay.

If we convicted people with loose accusation or guilt by association, we would all be in prison. Schiano doesn't really has anything hanging around his neck. You just imagine he does.
 
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TNnative said:
From their perspective, Tennessee fans attacked the reputation of an innocent man. Maybe they are trying to make us aware that freely exercising our rights can have consequences. Especially when we are wrong.

No they do not fear us. They just see us as a joke. At the time with our AD being so secretive about the search, we didn't have the time to verify the accuracy of the article fed to us. Personally, I regret how this went down.

If you ever experience a false accusation or someone close to you does, maybe you will be just a little slower and careful in expressing opinion. Maybe we should all learn that. Me too.
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As my post show, I am mostly an observer. I never said one thing good or bad. My take is, VN for better or worse spoke its mind and people listened. IMO his guilt or innocents had less to do with what happened than his association and rumor.

My point is, VN has proved to be one of the most vocal and influential fan bases' in all of college football. And, to be honest, I really don't think he would have been a great fit.
 
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BeardedVol said:
How is what was painted on the rock going to cost the university? Did a representative of the school paint it? Did the school publicly endorse what was painted on the rock? Defamation of character is hard to prove in the best of cases, much less one where there is sworn testimony already on the books that has yet to be formally refuted by the one accuser. Schiano's legal team will probably threaten to sue over the MOU, but they won't try to sue the school over defamation, as they have no legal grounds to do so.
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Schiano has to have legal proof of character to prove it was defamed.
 
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#49
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fla said:
We deserve some of the backlash. Things like the rock painting will probably cost the Univ millions. Defamation of character when in a court of law is innocent. I get the reaction to the hire not the big fish we were looking for. Freedom of speach is not free of responsibility.
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It will cost the University nothing. As long as they paint it over in a timely fashion they aren't responsible. Its a public posting board. The University has people who literally stock paint to paint over it when this sort of thing happens. Usually they paint over statements fans make about recruits, which is an NCAA violation.
 
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TNnative said:
That was not as simple a situation as you want to make it out to be. MsQueary's claims of intimidation by other staff members would have made that suit very difficult. If Schiano is truly innocent of that allegation, I hope someone finds a way to clear his name. And not just for legal purposes, but for peace of mind.

Sandusky screwed up more lives than just his victims. I am sick of seeing his name.
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I do not want my alma mater's name associated with anyone who is tied in any manner to what went down at Penn State.

Would it have made a difference to me if Schiano had went after McQueary? Certainly. If someone accused me of looking the other way while a man was raping a child, then I wouldn't care about the particulars or the problems a defamation suit would bring. I would give a damn about my reputation and go on the attack with any legal means I had at my disposal. He chose to remain silent outside of twitter. This leaves the question way too open for anyone to consider making him a head coach.

The fact that John Currie failed to properly vet this individual and was merely operating based on what the Haslam family wanted him to do is a dereliction of duty. It is part of his job to protect the University of Tennessee. He failed and this role in particular had to be done for him.

The University of Tennessee Athletic Department has a duty to protect the name of this university and what it represents from harm. To associate with a man who is accused of looking the other way in the Sandusky incidents by sworn testimony should be grounds to fire the Demon Deacon for attempting to hire Schiano. Those who influenced his near-hiring should also be forced to disassociate themselves from the university as they have failed Tennessee as well.
 
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