VFJ’s Take On Kevin Sumlin

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VolFreakJosh

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Personally, I don’t think he’s a very good football coach BUT, I agree that he’s a much better candidate compared to others that are being mentioned.

Pros - • Seems like a descent person
• Very good recruiter
• Good motivator

Cons - • Lack of player development
• Runs a similar Spread Offense to Butch
• Can he find the right QB?

Not saying he’s Butch 2.0 but I think in a weaker SEC East with great talent, he could possibly win the East 2-3 years.

He no where near a Home Run Hire but considering the circumstances with the Haslams & the Administration, it’s probably for the best right now.

I would be fine with this hire however I’d also be somewhat cautious.
 
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VolFreakJosh said:
Personally, I don’t think he’s a very good football coach BUT, I agree that he’s a much better candidate compared to others that are being mentioned.

Pros - • Seems like a descent person
• Very good recuiter
• Good motivator

Cons - • Lack of player development
• Runs a similar Spread Offense to Butch
• Can he find the right QB?

Not saying he’s Butch 2.0 but I think in a weaker SEC East with great talent, he could possibly win the East 2-3 years.

He no where near a Home Run Hire but considering the circumstances with the Haslams & the Administration, it’s probably for the best right now.

I would be fine with this hire however I’d also be somewhat cautious.
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I'd take him. Rather have Kiffin, even though that seems like a lost cause.
 
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25-23 is very different than 14-24 in the SEC, much different than Butch. Him being in the West is even more impressive!
 
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A. UT can't pay him enough to walk into a hot bed of s***. He just got a $10.4 mil buyout, so he's looking for the best situation for the money, not the money alone.

B. His best 2 years at A&M involved a certain QB with the last name of Manziel. Since then, it has been a steady downward spiral.
 
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sumlin would easily be the best coach we've had in 10 years.

you have to consider the bar we've set, when you read that statement....but it's true.
 
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Sumlin is no where close to kiffin. His teams underachieved and he's got issues. Nothing personal against him. But he's not the answer. Better than Doreen though at least.
 
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I'd be a little concerned with him being 3-3 against Mullen though. 1-2 in the past 3 meetings. I don't think we would lose to Vandy, UK, USCe, or Mizzou with Sumlin. I'd like our chances at going 2-1 against Bama, UGA, and UF most years though so that's a plus.

Fwiw he's 9-3 vs the East.
 
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orange_iv said:
A. UT can't pay him enough to walk into a hot bed of s***. He just got a $10.4 mil buyout, so he's looking for the best situation for the money, not the money alone.

B. His best 2 years at A&M involved a certain QB with the last name of Manziel. Since then, it has been a steady downward spiral.
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You're guessing on A as you have no idea what he is looking for.

Would agree to some degree with B. They always seem to fall apart back half of their schedule when it go tough.

May still be best option at this point
 
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Stoked said:
I'd be a little concerned with him being 3-3 against Mullen though. 1-2 in the past 3 meetings. I don't think we would lose to Vandy, UK, USCe, or Mizzou with Sumlin. I'd like our chances at going 2-1 against Bama, UGA, and UF most years though so that's a plus.

Fwiw he's 9-3 vs the East.
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Despite the misguided criticism of Mullen here, he’s a dang good coach otherwise he wouldn’t be the new Gator coach so I don’t hold that against Sumlin
 
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griddie said:
Sumlin is no where close to kiffin. His teams underachieved and he's got issues. Nothing personal against him. But he's not the answer. Better than Doreen though at least.
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his teams also played bama lsu auburn and good teams ( we didn't beat) from ole miss arkansas and miss st
 
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ruger1234 said:
I think he's a take. Needs a good DC to make it work.
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Maybe some Kevin Steele and Dale Jones on the defensive staff? Terry Price is a solid coach and recruiter as well though he's an Aggie alum.

On the flip side, could he bring his OL coach with him from the Aggies? I'm sure Jimbo will want Trickett with him in College Station so maybe we get Jim Turner. Turner recruits well and coached some good lineman at A&M. The downside is he was involved in that hazing issue with the Dolphins a few years ago.
 
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Stoked said:
25-23 is very different than 14-24 in the SEC, much different than Butch. Him being in the West is even more impressive!
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HUGE difference in playing the East division vs the West division every year. How would Jones have done if he got LSU, Auburn and OleMiss every year when they had it rolling too? We know Sgt Carter was 0-10 vs the West and we know Sumlin didn’t get Vandy and Ky every year.

Nobody in his right mind doesn’t believe Sumlin is a much better coach than Jones.
 
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Stoked said:
I'd be a little concerned with him being 3-3 against Mullen though. 1-2 in the past 3 meetings. I don't think we would lose to Vandy, UK, USCe, or Mizzou with Sumlin. I'd like our chances at going 2-1 against Bama, UGA, and UF most years though so that's a plus.

Fwiw he's 9-3 vs the East.
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That 9-3 is misleading. He lost to Muschamp in 2012, who he would have to play every year at TN and he never played Georgia. Plus he was 15-17 in SEC without Manziel. Pass
 
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Stoked said:
Explain.
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Sure, Kiffin is a much better coach. We will be competitive for SEC titles under him. I was as pissed off as anyone that he left. Why? Because he would have won by here.

Sumlin is a poorer version of Richt. All that talent but good for, unlike Richt, at least three or four losses that make you shake your head. It’s well known he has personal issues. At least A&M posters have said that for years. And his records went south after his first year. If you are ok with that, going 7-5, 8-4, then good luck. Personally I want better
 
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Stoked said:
25-23 is very different than 14-24 in the SEC, much different than Butch. Him being in the West is even more impressive!
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Texas A&M fires Sumlin and Tennessee wants A&M's bread crumbs, the Vols have fallen so low that they are forced to survive on handouts and prayers:mf_surrender:
 
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I wanted to find a reason to get behind Sumlin. Some glimmer of hope. But maybe n the end he’s just another Butch. His team record got worse every year (if you say he’s a good recruiter then he must not develop then or does not recruit players to the needs). He lost 3 of last 4 to Mullen who will take over a better team. If he can’t beat our rivals then we are not going to achieve our goals


But unlike some of the other options floated, if Sumlin is hired then we shut up and just see what he can do here. If he wins we supoort him. If not, we fire him in 3-4 years and maybe by then have an AD who will find and hire a winner
 
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Sumlin can get 10 wins a season in the East. He would own Kentucky, Vanderbilt, SC and Mizzou. He would be competitive against the rest including Alabama.
 
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