Vescovi observation

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BruisedOrange said:
I was talking ball today with a player on one of the better HS teams in Tennessee, and he remarked that (according to his coaching) the only time a player should get caught shooting a mid-range jumper (rather than a 3 or driving the lane for a layup/foul) is if the shot clock is timing out.

Interesting. I wonder how widespread (or nuanced) that philosophy is at the next level?
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It's common in college to. I remember Mike White lighting into a player a few years ago when Grant, Bone, and Admiral did the chop to the fans down there. The kid stepped in and took a wide open 18' jumper. 3pt line has seriously deteriorated the game IMO.
 
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Remember when the Zebras called a travel almost every time he touched the ball his freshman season?
I was concerned he would always be " tagged" by the Zebras.
It was frustrating yet comical to see him whistled when the game is full of walks / travels etc.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
ZZ was going to attend a prep school, not a high school.
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So as I stated, ZZ didn’t “reclassify” to skip his senior year of hs as stated in Skeet’s post correct?

Not that any of this really matters. Can’t imagine there’s a Vol fan that’s not super happy ZZ is on our team!
 
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BruisedOrange said:
I was talking ball today with a player on one of the better HS teams in Tennessee, and he remarked that (according to his coaching) the only time a player should get caught shooting a mid-range jumper (rather than a 3 or driving the lane for a layup/foul) is if the shot clock is timing out.


I don't understand why The Vols don't use the mid range jumper more. We have had teams in the past that have been successful with that shot. Barnes teaching the straight up jump and high release flip when shooting the basketball, plays right into that shot. Players would drive the lane, and the defenders would crash the rim, then pull up and lob it over their heads. maybe even get goal tending if they try to block it.
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tombowalker said:
This is a fairly common line of thinking. And fwiw, the analytics seem to support it.

Math isn't exactly my strong suit, but here's an example that I've come across....

If you take a 36% 3P shooter, he would need to hit 54% of his jumpers to justify taking the two instead.
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livefaith said:
It's common in college to. [...] 3pt line has seriously deteriorated the game IMO.
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It's time to bring back the 2.5 point shot!
 
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omghulkhands said:
Eh. It’s also opened up the floor. Positives and negatives I suppose
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That's a good point. But (thinking of entertainment value) it's opened up the floor for... what?

I'm betting the next "evolution" of the game will come when someone rediscovers the 15-foot jumper off the backboard, that can easily be hit 60-70% of the time.

That will then reopen the lane, and we'll have full court basketball again.
 
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BruisedOrange said:
That's a good point. But (thinking of entertainment value) it's opened up the floor for... what?

I'm betting the next "evolution" of the game will come when someone rediscovers the 15-foot jumper off the backboard, that can easily be hit 60-70% of the time.

That will then reopen the lane, and we'll have full court basketball again.
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Basketball rules have evolved because the sport is always being min-maxed.

First it was the shot clock. The only logical strategy pre-shot clock was hunt a 95% shot for however long it took. Then if you had a 4 point lead, just play keep away.

3 second violations

Hell, the NBA banned zone defense for a while cause it was effective and boring

Before the 3 point line, offensive sets were primarily focused on post ups. the 3 point line opened up a lot more athletic play.

And now players gotten so efficient at shooting the 3 it might be time for another rule change soon
 
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I think on the whole those rule changes have improved the game.

As much as I enjoyed watching "Big E" Elvin Hayes battle Lew Alcindor in the Astrodome (and our own Tom Boerwinkle)... it's better for the sport (and a better sport to watch) that teams can win championships without having an aircraft carrier to dominate the middle.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
His turnovers have been much better after two years. And his right hand is much stronger with the dribble. Doesn’t leave his feet while trying to pass very often either. He’s been coached up a lot.
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I think this has not been spoken of enough (or maybe it has and I just haven't seen/heard it). Last season, all any team had to do with Santi was guard his strong hand and he was basically a liability all game. Somewhere between last season and this one he's really improved that dribble which made his quickness hard to guard. Now throw in the threats from ZZ, Chandler and Powell and the defense has to think about how to guard Vescovi instead of it being automatic.
 
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Voljayton said:
I think this has not been spoken of enough (or maybe it has and I just haven't seen/heard it). Last season, all any team had to do with Santi was guard his strong hand and he was basically a liability all game. Somewhere between last season and this one he's really improved that dribble which made his quickness hard to guard. Now throw in the threats from ZZ, Chandler and Powell and the defense has to think about how to guard Vescovi instead of it being automatic.
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I think your confusing his freshman season with last season. He made considerable improvement going to his right last season. IIRC
 
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LAVol1 said:
Love watching Santi play. He's so active and is probably under-appreciated defensively. Plays the passing lanes really well. His help defense is outstanding and he gets more than his share of rebounds and loose balls. I think he is unquestionably the Vol player that has the biggest impact on the outcome of the game. I have two criticisms: (1) he needs to let the 3 fly more, and (2) when he fakes a 3 and drives toward the basket, he needs to pull up and shoot from 10-12' vs. going to the hoop where he typically gets in trouble.
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Best player on the team. A guy may have a better game here or another player may have a better game there but Vescovi is the glue that makes the team stick. If a decent to good team shuts down Santi then it appears to be game over for the Vols like with Texas.
 
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BreatheUT said:
Best player on the team. A guy may have a better game here or another player may have a better game there but Vescovi is the glue that makes the team stick. If a decent to good team shuts down Santi then it appears to be game over for the Vols like with Texas.
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He’s our Bradshaw…..
 
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walkenvol said:
So as I stated, ZZ didn’t “reclassify” to skip his senior year of hs as stated in Skeet’s post correct?

Not that any of this really matters. Can’t imagine there’s a Vol fan that’s not super happy ZZ is on our team!
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walkenvol said:
Has something changed that now allows students who turn 19 before the school year begins are eligible to play sports? ZZ turned 19 on 8/2.

BHH turned 18 on 8/6 so he could be playing hs this season.

KC turned 19 on 9/16 so I think he could have played another hs season since he was 18 when the school year started.

Same for Mashack as he turned 19 on 11/10

Tamba turns 19 on 3/8

Powell’s birthday is 5/9/2001 so he turns 21 in 3 months

Vescovi’s birthday is 9/21/2001 so he’s a Junior yet is 4 months younger than Powell and less than a year older than KC, Mashack, and ZZ. All this talk of guy’s should still be in hs is misguided.
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ZZ was headed to do a year of post grad prep school had he not enrolled at Tennessee. D. Gaines did the same thing, I believe. Fulky may have, but that was back in the 70s, at this point, so I can't remember.

Edit: just saw BTO beat me to it on ZZ.
 
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tombowalker said:
If you take a 36% 3P shooter, he
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tombowalker said:
This is a fairly common line of thinking. And fwiw, the analytics seem to support it.

Math isn't exactly my strong suit, but here's an example that I've come across....

If you take a 36% 3P shooter, he would need to hit 54% of his jumpers to justify taking the two instead.
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It's not an either/or. He's already passed up the three when he drives. Factor in the turnovers on the drive to the rim and he probably would only have to hit 35-40% of the 10-12' to improve our scoring. Santi should hit over 50% from 10-12. It would surprise me if he made less than 60%. He's that good.
 
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