Very Generous - Fulmer's Give $1 Million to UT

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Reverend Bubba Flavel said:
are you saying there are a lot of Phil haters on the board? As you can see, I am new here.

If so, my guess is most of them are young. I think you would have t ogo back to Dickey to see a better winning percentage than what Phil has had since 1998. Majors might have come close in his last 8 years - but I think he still fell short, although he did get the SEC Championships, which, of course, are huge. Still, the point is that the last 8 years have been one of the best 8 year stretches in UT history in terms of winning percentage.
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That's exactly what I'm saying. Whether Fulmer has been "successful" -- and for how long -- is an enormous subject of debate on this site. FYI, the debate is often phrased as whether the measure should be 5 years, 8 years, or 10 years.

More siginficantly given your post, the debate is usually whether the proper measure is 1) winning percentage; 2) winning percentage against the top SEC schools; 3) SEC championships; or 4) being "in contention" for the SEC title, even if you don't quite get there.

My perception is that the prcentages of those four groups are

1) 20 %
2) 15 %
3) 40 %
4) 25 %


Being a Gator, I measure in terms of championships. A plurality seem to do so here, though as I suggest above there is a certain contingent that feels that its tough to win those c-ships and so the measure should be wether UT is usually "in the picture," so to speak.

Those who measure objectively winning the SEC are for the most part quite dissastisfied. Those who set the bar at being a contender, for the most part are satisfied.
 
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orange+white=heaven said:
Not really, it's long been my contention that he'll step down after next season no matter what. That would make the timing just about right to my way of thinking...
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I saw in the Sunday News Sentinel where Fulmer says he plans on coaching another 6-8 years and then he'll be through....or maybe it was on the special on tv Sunday night. Either way, I know I heard, or read this.
 
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Reverend Bubba Flavel said:
thanks - i will wait for another of those threads to start before i jump in full throttle.
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There is a long-running thread here called "Phil Fulmer Debate Thread." Right now, its over on page two, but the mods usually yank it back up and merge any other sort of criticism of Fulmer into it, which usually ignites a fresh debate.

When (I should say if) UT loses its first game, you can bet it will be on fire.

As of now, it has over 3500 posts within it. So you can imagine ....
 
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onevolfan said:
I saw in the Sunday News Sentinel where Fulmer says he plans on coaching another 6-8 years and then he'll be through....or maybe it was on the special on tv Sunday night. Either way, I know I heard, or read this.
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If you could provide a link, I can think of about six VN regulars that would really want to know about such a comment.
 
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Reverend Bubba Flavel said:
I think you would have t ogo back to Dickey to see a better winning percentage than what Phil has had since 1998.
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This debate always goes awry because the further you go back into Phil's tenure the better the winning percentage, but since 2000 (not including the Jan. 2000 Fiesta Bowl loss) Phil's winning percentage is .693. The All-Time record is .697. In Johnny's last 8 years, including the 5-3 1992 season and kicking out the 5 tie games, the Vol's record was .737. Again, this has nothing to do with the gift just getting the facts straight.
 
#32
#32
Wow, a guy gives $1 million dollars to The University of Tennesse and no one can just say "good for him". It always devolves into a last 10 years, winning %, etc thread. Can't you give it a rest for 1 damn thread?
 
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My smarta$$ comment is that his conscience is finally getting to him....but in actuality it is a very generous gift. I have little doubt that CPF loves his University.
 
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Yeah,

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utvolpj said:
Wow, a guy gives $1 million dollars to The University of Tennesse and no one can just say "good for him". It always devolves into a last 10 years, winning %, etc thread. Can't you give it a rest for 1 damn thread?
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I agree, forget coaching for a second, Fulmer is a down-to-earth-Tennessee man,believes in God, family and UT, he is living a dream none of us will ever get and im glad a man like him is here...
 
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utvolpj said:
Wow, a guy gives $1 million dollars to The University of Tennesse and no one can just say "good for him". It always devolves into a last 10 years, winning %, etc thread. Can't you give it a rest for 1 damn thread?
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I eventually said good for him.

Though I see no reason under the circumstances not to wonder a wee bit.

Having said that, some folks have been kind enough to point out some other examples of coaches giving while still at the helm so I guess I'm a bit less of a conspiracy theorist about this than, say, a half hour ago.
 
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utvolpj said:
Wow, a guy gives $1 million dollars to The University of Tennesse and no one can just say "good for him". It always devolves into a last 10 years, winning %, etc thread. Can't you give it a rest for 1 damn thread?
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Surely you're not surprised. This thread was vintage lawgator1, overflowing with pot-stirring comments and back-handed compliments.
 
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kxtop said:
Fulmers give $1 million to UT : Local News : Knoxville News Sentinel

This is an extraordinary act by Coach Fulmer and his wife, particularly in light of some of the comments on this site.
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It is a very generous act, particularly in light of...well...nothing. It is simply a generous act.

Reverend Bubba Flavel said:
are you saying there are a lot of Phil haters on the board? As you can see, I am new here.
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There is an ongoing discussion regarding the direction of our program under the current regime. Wait about 4 minutes and someone will post another thread about it, or hijack a thread about something else so that it can become a coaching debate thread.
 
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A magnanimous gesture.

"I will give my all for Tennessee today"

Thanks, CPF.
 
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#43
A man takes one million dollars of his own money and gives it to better a great institution and we have people here that can find fault or question his motives. Get a f___'in life!
 
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For those I offended by suggesting that this was a PR move, I apologize.

I should have realized that I was wrong the moment I read the press release statement.


Press release ...... Hmmmmmmmmm....
 
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tidwell said:
Surely you're not surprised. This thread was vintage lawgator1, overflowing with pot-stirring comments and back-handed compliments.
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Now why did you have to take my insiduous innuendo, my careful capitulations, my subtle subversiveness, and go and cheapen it by calling it pot-stirring and backhanded?

I mean, you're right and all, but you didn't have to be so mean!
 
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I'll take this as a tremendously generous gift and support of his passion for the Vols. I don't read any more into this.

Those who want to play this as a desperate effort to keep a job are definitely reaching.

Thanks, Phil.
 
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no one on this board has ever said phil didn't LOVE the University of Tennessee. That is not in question. His coaching abilities are. While I believe he simply did this as a token of kindness completely from his heart, the fact remains that his seat is definitely hot and he has to put up or shut up, regardless of how much money he gives back to UT.
 
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if you think the reason Fulmer did this is 100% just out of the goodness of his heart, you are fooling yourself.

I was having lunch with some guys a week ago, and we were all talking about how long it would take for Fulmer to make a donation this year
 
#49
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Whatever the reasoning behind the motivation behind the monies gift, it sure has cut in half the buyout involved in a coaching change.:ermm:
 
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