Very early observations on QB....

[Allvolinnashville]

k-town king has a OCD man crush on JG.... has tied his ego to it... and won't ever admit he's wrong about anything even if it requires him to change his story completely or reverse his logic.

If you choose to talk to him (and it can be fun), just know that he has more stars in his eyes for JG than a pimpled freshman band geek does for the star HS QB.

Im with you here.. and have been..mostly I lurk and read all the comments and following the recruiting forum.. but I have never understood the JG love fest.. he hasn't shown me anything and all the clips I have watched he is still throwing behind the receivers.. KC dosent have to have a huge cannon of an arm but be a game manager.. he lays the ball out there for his receivers to make a play on the ball.. I believe we need a game manager.. not a qb that can throw the football the length of the field.. we need to win games.. and a MATURE game manager will do that with the receivers we have.

 

[sjt18]

Im with you here.. and have been..mostly I lurk and read all the comments and following the recruiting forum.. but I have never understood the JG love fest.. he hasn't shown me anything and all the clips I have watched he is still throwing behind the receivers.. KC dosent have to have a huge cannon of an arm but be a game manager.. he lays the ball out there for his receivers to make a play on the ball.. I believe we need a game manager.. not a qb that can throw the football the length of the field.. we need to win games.. and a MATURE game manager will do that with the receivers we have.

I don't have a horse in the race. JG has all the physical talent in the world if he'll grow up and learn the mental part of the game. Chryst isn't the talentless bum that some try to portray him as either.

But if k-town king isn't a relative of JG's... his infatuation with the kid crosses over into creepy.

 

[cHiZzLeVOL]

You sound confused. Either that or you're using that straw man argument on purpose. Nobody has crowned JG. Some media guys have said he looks better than Chryst and is ahead now.


I just think it's funny how jazzed you get over all the positive reports concerning guys you've been pumping up all off season while at the same time considering all the reports that JG has looked better than Chryst thus far to be fickle and unreliable. Seems like a mixture of confirmation bias and cognitive dissonance.

Funny you say that because the first thing reported in this here video is that JG looks like he is the starting QB. I am not just making stuff up and I think it is silly that Simonton and Price stated this only after practice 3.

I have no bias towards any of the QBs. However don't crown a starter on practice #3 as a media member.

The funny thing is Ubben charted all the throws, and had a different perspective then Simonton. Then today they say JG and KC looked even in the passing game. (This is called being fickle)

You can try and make it seem like whatever you want. My point still stands when they made these comments on practice #3 they were ridiculous.

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

Funny you say that because the first thing reported in this here video is that JG looks like he is the starting QB. I am not just making stuff up and I think it is silly that Simonton and Hubbs stated this only after practice 3.

I have no bias towards any of the QBs. However don't crown a starter on practice #3 as a media member.

Literally first thing Simonton said was "small sample size first day in shells they don't have the pads on yet." They end things with "it's practice 3 we'll couch it with that." They hammered this point over and over. They made the same point you're trying to make here about not rushing to conclusions.

The funny thing is Ubben charted all the throws, and had a different perspective then Simonton. Then today they say JG and KC looked even in the passing game. (This is called being fickle)

1. Rutherford, not Simonton said KC looked more even today. Simonton said they both looked good throwing.

2. You're making a mistake assuming that the media speaks with one voice. There are a lot of guys giving their takes based on their own opinions and varying levels of experience/expertise. You're close to connecting the dots with the Ubben thing, but you're not quite there. What you're calling the media being fickle is, in reality, just a bunch of guys giving their own takes on things. The fact that Rutherford said they looked even today doesn't make Simonton fickle for saying JG looks like he's ahead.


Edit: Also, you need to take context into the equation as well. Practice #3 the media saw 7 on 7 and 11 on 11 work for the first time. Practice #4 all they saw was routes on air. Saying a guy threw the ball well in routes on air isn't the equivalent of saying all previous concerns have been erased.

You can try and make it seem like whatever you want. My point still stands when they made these comments on practice #3 they were ridiculous.

Eh, you're being overly emotional about all of this. It sounds like you're just upset that the media isn't collectively praising a guy you have high hopes for.

 

[cHiZzLeVOL]

Literally first thing Simonton said was "small sample size first day in shells they don't have the pads on yet." They end things with "it's practice 3 we'll couch it with that." They hammered this point over and over. They made the same point you're trying to make here about not rushing to conclusions.




1. Rutherford, not Simonton said KC looked more even today. Simonton said they both looked good throwing.

2. You're making a mistake assuming that the media speaks with one voice. There are a lot of guys giving their takes based on their own opinions and varying levels of experience/expertise. You're close to connecting the dots with the Ubben thing, but you're not quite there. What you're calling the media being fickle is, in reality, just a bunch of guys giving their own takes on things. The fact that Rutherford said they looked even today doesn't make Simonton fickle for saying JG looks like he's ahead.


Edit: Also, you need to take context into the equation as well. Practice #3 the media saw 7 on 7 and 11 on 11 work for the first time. Practice #4 all they saw was routes on air. Saying a guy threw the ball well in routes on air isn't the equivalent of saying all previous concerns have been erased.




Eh, you're being overly emotional about all of this. It sounds like you're just upset that the media isn't collectively praising a guy you have high hopes for.

Lol oh yeah and which guys do I have high hopes for? (You mean all of our QBs?) I've stated multiple times I just want the best guy to play. You are the one being emotional you've responded to every single post I've made about what the media has said regarding the QB battle. (Trying to make it seem like I am biased towards one, guess you didn't read my comments about JGs passes yesterday, or conveniently didn't put that in any of our conversations)

I have said that it will go down to the wire between both QBs, honestly you are the one who is starting to show your bias. (Which is fine because everyone has a guy they are going for)

This whole back and forth is honestly becoming old. So you can either take my statement or just not comment. My point won't change. I think their comments were ridiculous.

Edit: Them stating JG looks like the starter and the words you used (being ahead) are completely different.

(Being ahead) infers that the battle is still ongoing. (Stating JG is the starter) infers that the QB battle is already decided.

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

Lol oh yeah and which guys do I have high hopes for? (You mean all of our QBs?) I've stated multiple times I just want the best guy to play. You are the one being emotional you've responded to every single post I've made about what the media has said regarding the QB battle. (Trying to make it seem like I am biased towards one, guess you didn't read my comments about JGs passes yesterday, or conveniently didn't put that in any of our conversations)

You're ignoring the entire points I was making. I'm not trying to make you look biased. We all have players we root for and want to see succeed. I just think that you're making a mistake in lumping the entire media together as a whole (why I pointed out the thing about Rutherford vs Simonton) and that you're not really being consistent in how you're taking media reports about guys you've had high hopes for on the board this offseason.



My point was that you're not consistent about the media's takes on guys like Shrout, George, Tillman, etc. looking good or better than other guys they're competing against vs reports that Chryst has struggled. You've taken positive reports on those previous guys as confirmation that your expectations of them were correct and negative reports about Chryst as evidence that the media is A. fickle or B. playing up a positional battle for clicks.


Frankly I don't remember what you said about JGs passes yesterday. Me excluding those comments isn't some conspiracy just like media members saying which guys they think look good and which seem to be behind isn't a conspiracy.

I have said that it will go down to the wire between both QBs, honestly you are the one who is starting to show your bias. (Which is fine because everyone has a guy they are going for)

I agree with your point in parentheses here. It's natural for fans to have players we root for more than others.

As for bias, I've been consistent in saying that I'd like to see JG earn a starting job because he has more physical upside, but that I'm still very skeptical that he'll be able to get the mental aspect of the game down well enough to be our best option. Frankly, I don't think either of our guys are great. JG because he struggles with the mental side of things and Chryst because his arm isn't very good.

Hopefully one of them proves me wrong. I'm skeptical we'll see great QB play this year no matter how it turns out.

This whole back and forth is honestly becoming old. So you can either take my statement or just not comment. My point won't change. I think their comments were ridiculous.

Is it ridiculous for media members to give their opinion on which guys they think are struggling and which they think look good?

How many practices in is it not ridiculous for a media member to give his take on which guy is ahead in a positional battle?

Does it vary by position? You haven't been upset by similar reports about guys at any other spots.

Your line of logic here isn't consistent. That's all I've been getting at. Not trying to accuse you of being biased. We've all got players we root for and want to see succeed. I just think some self reflection here is warranted.

Edit: Them stating JG looks like the starter and the words you used (being ahead) are completely different.

(Being ahead) infers that the battle is still ongoing. (Stating JG is the starter) infers that the QB battle is already decided.

Again, you're being disingenuous here.

They qualified everything multiple times with "it's practice number three and we aren't in pads yet" and then the quote was "JG clearly looks like the starting QB" followed by "I'm not gonna say it's over, but it's on life support." So they were basically saying they think JG will be the starter but not willing to say that things are decided.

I don't really see what is ridiculous about that. It basically comes down to them making a prediction off of what they've seen. There were tons of articles all off season where people predicted Chryst would be the starter that you never seemed to have a problem with.



Also, readers or listeners infer. Speakers or writers imply.

 

[RockyTopTexas]

Keller can take a shot to the chin

 

[BloomuVol]

Keller can take a shot to the chin

If somebody can reach it.

 

[cHiZzLeVOL]

You're ignoring the entire points I was making. I'm not trying to make you look biased. We all have players we root for and want to see succeed. I just think that you're making a mistake in lumping the entire media together as a whole (why I pointed out the thing about Rutherford vs Simonton) and that you're not really being consistent in how you're taking media reports about guys you've had high hopes for on the board this offseason.



My point was that you're not consistent about the media's takes on guys like Shrout, George, Tillman, etc. looking good or better than other guys they're competing against vs reports that Chryst has struggled. You've taken positive reports on those previous guys as confirmation that your expectations of them were correct and negative reports about Chryst as evidence that the media is A. fickle or B. playing up a positional battle for clicks.


Frankly I don't remember what you said about JGs passes yesterday. Me excluding those comments isn't some conspiracy just like media members saying which guys they think look good and which seem to be behind isn't a conspiracy.



I agree with your point in parentheses here. It's natural for fans to have players we root for more than others.

As for bias, I've been consistent in saying that I'd like to see JG earn a starting job because he has more physical upside, but that I'm still very skeptical that he'll be able to get the mental aspect of the game down well enough to be our best option. Frankly, I don't think either of our guys are great. JG because he struggles with the mental side of things and Chryst because his arm isn't very good.

Hopefully one of them proves me wrong. I'm skeptical we'll see great QB play this year no matter how it turns out.


Is it ridiculous for media members to give their opinion on which guys they think are struggling and which they think look good?

How many practices in is it not ridiculous for a media member to give his take on which guy is ahead in a positional battle?

Does it vary by position? You haven't been upset by similar reports about guys at any other spots.

Your line of logic here isn't consistent. That's all I've been getting at. Not trying to accuse you of being biased. We've all got players we root for and want to see succeed. I just think some self reflection here is warranted.


Again, you're being disingenuous here.

They qualified everything multiple times with "it's practice number three and we aren't in pads yet" and then the quote was "JG clearly looks like the starting QB" followed by "I'm not gonna say it's over, but it's on life support." So they were basically saying they think JG will be the starter but not willing to say that things are decided.

I don't really see what is ridiculous about that. It basically comes down to them making a prediction off of what they've seen. There were tons of articles all off season where people predicted Chryst would be the starter that you never seemed to have a problem with.



Also, readers or listeners infer. Speakers or writers imply.

Infer - deduce or conclude (information) from evidence and reasoning rather than from explicit statements.

Imply - strongly suggest the truth or existence of (something not expressly stated).

I know the definitions and Simonton and Price were inferring (from their own deductions that JG is the starter) then implying their inference in the video that they took.

Also, I figured since I stated the media and then specifically talked about certain individuals that it would be easy for a reasonable person to deduce or conclude which ones I was talking about when I said "media." (My fault if anyone thought I meant all of the reporters and writers)

The writers and reporters have not been fickle about any other position battles that I have been following such as Tillman and Taylor which brings me to the conclusion that they will either start or have some playing time like I suggested. (That is not me just only posting good things about the guys I like, there just hasn't been anything bad about those guys)

So there.

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

Infer - deduce or conclude (information) from evidence and reasoning rather than from explicit statements.

Imply - strongly suggest the truth or existence of (something not expressly stated).

I know the definitions and Simonton and Price were inferring (from their own deductions that JG is the starter) then implying their inference in the video that they took.

My bad. However, it's incorrect to say that a statement infers something. Statements can imply, but people infer.

(Being ahead) infers that the battle is still ongoing. (Stating JG is the starter) infers that the QB battle is already decided.

So I guess I shouldn't have inferred that your incorrect usage here means that you didn't know the difference. Sorry. Didn't mean to imply that.

Also, I figured since I stated the media and then specifically talked about certain individuals that it would be easy for a reasonable person to deduce or conclude which ones I was talking about when I said "media." (My fault if anyone thought I meant all of the reporters and writers)

The writers and reporters have not been fickle about any other position battles that I have been following such as Tillman and Taylor which brings me to the conclusion that they will either start or have some playing time like I suggested. (That is not me just only posting good things about the guys I like, there just hasn't been anything bad about those guys)

So there.

The things you write aren't nearly as clear as you think they are.

Calling the media fickle because Simonton says JG looks like the starter one day and the next day Rutherford, a different reporter, says the opposite the next day isn't a very reasonable argument. You were lumping them in together. No need to backtrack.[/QUOTE]

 

[cHiZzLeVOL]

My bad. However, it's incorrect to say that a statement infers something. Statements can imply, but people infer.



So I guess I shouldn't have inferred that your incorrect usage here means that you didn't know the difference. Sorry. Didn't mean to imply that.


The things you write aren't nearly as clear as you think they are.

Calling the media fickle because Simonton says JG looks like the starter one day and the next day Rutherford, a different reporter, says the opposite the next day isn't a very reasonable argument. You were lumping them in together. No need to backtrack.