Vanderbilt? Really?!?!?!

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utvolpj said:
and gave up

410 to UF in a loss (UT 347)
388 to Ark in a loss (UT 499)
443 to UGA in a loss (UT 366)

again, one game is all that's being used
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maybe I'm failing to see the point of this post? the way i see it, you are saying that Vandy allowed similar numbers defensively as UT. The way i see it, if UT and Vandy have similar defenses, but Vandy's offense is much better, they will probably beat us... right?
 
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You can compare games all day. Fact is since Vandy inserted the Rodgers kid they've looked worlds better offensively. The eye test between the two teams at this present time says Vandy by two scores.

They're favored in Neyland, can't remember when that has happened. It's deserved though.

Tennessee doesn't play 4 quarters of football. They have one threat at Wideout and no running game to speak of. Defensively they look good for most of the game then go bonehead on two or three drives that pretty much seal the deal. Then this past week they quit all together.

Two weeks ago i said they'd be favored and got laughed at. Said last saturday night they'd get beat by two touchdowns. Well i've changed my mind. It's going to be a close nail biting game.

Tennessee's best chance is to keep that Rodgers kid in the pocket and make him be the college version of his big brother. If they let him get first downs with his legs then they might win going away. Either way these two teams are close and based on the way they're playing you would have to give the edge to Vandy.
 
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Indianavol4eva said:
maybe I'm failing to see the point of this post? the way i see it, you are saying that Vandy allowed similar numbers defensively as UT. The way i see it, if UT and Vandy have similar defenses, but Vandy's offense is much better, they will probably beat us... right?
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they aren't much better on O than UT. UT is struggling because of injuries and poor RB play but I don't see the head and shoulders above like a few of you. I've watched them play and was not overly impressed. Comparing O vs O doesn't really make much sense anyway
 
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utvolpj said:
they aren't much better on O than UT. UT is struggling because of injuries and poor RB play but I don't see the head and shoulders above like a few of you. I've watched them play and was not overly impressed
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well, i cannot say that i have watched Vandy play, so i don't really have anything to compare and contrast other than statistics. However, i HAVE seen UT play, and our offense is downright terrible. i see the stats and scores of teams Vandy has played lately, and they are in close fights with teams that destroyed us. I really don't know what has you so optimistic about this match up.
 
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The biggest difference maker in this game is also it's biggest unknown:

Bray.



That one factor could mean a 21-point blowout win for UT or another frustrating loss. I have a feeling if he hits his hand or lands on it hard he might be done for the game.



And you know Vandy will be gunning for that. Even if it means them taking a 15-yard penalty. That's just how Vandy has played in the instances I've seen.
 
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Indianavol4eva said:
well, i cannot say that i have watched Vandy play, so i don't really have anything to compare and contrast other than statistics. However, i HAVE seen UT play, and our offense is downright terrible. i see the stats and scores of teams Vandy has played lately, and they are in close fights with teams that destroyed us. I really don't know what has you so optimistic about this match up.
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wait so you make the comparison only on stats (and limit the ones used)? Interesting

I'm optimistic because I've watched too many UT-VU games. Could Vandy win? Sure it's possible but it's not going to be because of anything they do. UT's performance will decide the winner
 
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Indianavol4eva said:
well, i cannot say that i have watched Vandy play, so i don't really have anything to compare and contrast other than statistics. However, i HAVE seen UT play, and our offense is downright terrible. i see the stats and scores of teams Vandy has played lately, and they are in close fights with teams that destroyed us. I really don't know what has you so optimistic about this match up.
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It's the fact it's Vandy and that's about it. You can't spin it anyway in favor of Tennessee other than that. I really can't see how anyone could have any confidence this team can beat anyone worth a damn. Vandy right now is playing worth a damn and that's bad news IMO.
 
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utvolpj said:
wait so you make the comparison only on stats (and limit the ones used)? Interesting

I'm optimistic because I've watched too many UT-VU games. Could Vandy win? Sure it's possible but it's not going to be because of anything they do. UT's performance will decide the winner
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totally disagree with this statement.
 
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utvolpj said:
wait so you make the comparison only on stats (and limit the ones used)? Interesting

I'm optimistic because I've watched too many UT-VU games. Could Vandy win? Sure it's possible but it's not going to be because of anything they do. UT's performance will decide the winner
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i limited the ones used because the one you were using is not a viable stat to look at. The ones i used were a lot more recent and took into account the changes that have been made to the Vandy offense that we will see in our game against them.

But even if you want to use the USCjr game, it's not like our 186 yards of total offense really look a whole lot better than their 77, especially when we didn't convert and of those yards into touchdowns.
 
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Cartervol said:
It's the fact it's Vandy and that's about it. You can't spin it anyway in favor of Tennessee other than that. I really can't see how anyone could have any confidence this team can beat anyone worth a damn. Vandy right now is playing worth a damn and that's bad news IMO.
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I don't see Vandy as worth a damn. Seems like the same old "play a couple teams close but beat no one that's any good" Vandy that they've always been

Scotty's Flat Top said:
totally disagree with this statement.
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compelling argument
 
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utvolpj said:
I don't see Vandy as worth a damn. Seems like the same old "play a couple teams close but beat no one that's any good" Vandy that they've always been.
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hmmm sounds a lot like us. Oh wait, we haven't even played a couple teams close like they have.
 
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Dammit why has Tennessee not looked better than they did earlier this year with our starting qb hurt and a freshman replacing him. Bray will light up a suspect Vandy defensive backfield and if you don't think they are then look at the stats against a good team and those against elon or Stephen garcia
 
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utvolpj said:
I don't see Vandy as worth a damn. Seems like the same old "play a couple teams close but beat no one that's any good" Vandy that they've always been



compelling argument
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Some arguments do not merit factual rebuttal when the said content is idiotic
 
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Indianavol4eva said:
i limited the ones used because the one you were using is not a viable stat to look at. The ones i used were a lot more recent and took into account the changes that have been made to the Vandy offense that we will see in our game against them.

But even if you want to use the USCjr game, it's not like our 186 yards of total offense really look a whole lot better than their 77, especially when we didn't convert and of those yards into touchdowns.
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so why post the O yardage at all? Use USC and lots of other reason come out. The UGA game also wasn't that close if UGA had done anything right. Pretty much why I say Vandy won't decide the game

Indianavol4eva said:
hmmm sounds a lot like us. Oh wait, we haven't even played a couple teams close like they have.
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you're right, our moral victory column isn't as full as Vandy's

Scotty's Flat Top said:
Some arguments do not merit factual rebuttal when the said content is idiotic
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I'm sure that's the reason
 
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Indianavol4eva said:
i limited the ones used because the one you were using is not a viable stat to look at. The ones i used were a lot more recent and took into account the changes that have been made to the Vandy offense that we will see in our game against them.

But even if you want to use the USCjr game, it's not like our 186 yards of total offense really look a whole lot better than their 77, especially when we didn't convert and of those yards into touchdowns.
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Our offense with bray> Vandy offense with rodgers
 
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utvolpj said:
I don't see Vandy as worth a damn. Seems like the same old "play a couple teams close but beat no one that's any good" Vandy that they've always been



compelling argument
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Same old Vandy will beat this team. Better hope it's a new and improved Tennessee, the version we've been seeing is god awful.
 
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For me this game's biggest unknown factor is - Poole
Will this kid put on his senior big boy pants and run with some passion. HE has the ability but lacks the drive so hopefully senior night in Neyland will give him the extra kick in the arse. Our QB play does not decide the game, Worley has shown that he can sling it. "If" our D can stop the run and keep rodgers in the pocket we win. Gosh hopefully these boys have some pride and bring it on Saturday. :aggressive:
 
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utvolpj said:
you're right, our moral victory column isn't as full as Vandy's
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we aren't talking about moral victories, we are talking about who is going to win the game this weekend. So far, Vandy has played a lot of teams close and we haven't. i don't see how you can give UT the edge in this one with that information sitting right in front of you.
 
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Well PJ, I am not gonna make excuses if God forbid we do lose to Vanderbilt. I will except it like a grown man should and not look for cop outs. This fanbase makes a lot of excuses albeit some are merited... however saying we lose because we let the other team win promotes lunacy and denial.
 
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Scotty's Flat Top said:
Well PJ, I am not gonna make excuses if God forbid we do lose to Vanderbilt. I will except it like a grown man should and not look for cop outs. This fanbase makes a lot of excuses albeit some are merited... however saying we lose because we let the other team win promotes lunacy and denial.
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thank you. tired of excuses.
 
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Indianavol4eva said:
we aren't talking about moral victories, we are talking about who is going to win the game this weekend. So far, Vandy has played a lot of teams close and we haven't. i don't see how you can give UT the edge in this one with that information sitting right in front of you.
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I've watched them play. They've played some close and others not so much. To say you have a clear read based on a couple of box scores is kinda ridiculous

Scotty's Flat Top said:
Well PJ, I am not gonna make excuses if God forbid we do lose to Vanderbilt. I will except it like a grown man should and not look for cop outs. This fanbase makes a lot of excuses albeit some are merited... however saying we lose because we let the other team win promotes lunacy and denial.
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no one said to make excuses. If UT performs like they should then this is a win. If they don't then it's possible they get beat. That holds true no matter what Vandy team shows up to Knoxville. That's my point and you can accept it or not. I truly don't care
 
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