UTC's David Blackburn says no official contact with UT on job

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zjcvols said:
Butch Jones' resume was just as impressive as McElwain's. Kelly turned Cincy around but it's NOTRE DAME. That's the best they got. Tennessee ****ed up the Dooley hire but UT hired the Tom Herman of 2008-2009. They got the top guy.
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Butch Jones has never turned a program aroun or been a coordinator for a NC team. Kiffin was the Tom Herman of 2009?! What planet are you on? Lane Kiffin had been a sole coordinator for exactly one season prior to the lunacy at Oakland where he was fired in the middle of the season. He had no business being the head coach at UT. Teams weren't lining up to hire Lane Kiffin and still aren't even after success at Bama. Nearly every major program with a job opening coveted Tom Herman the last two seasons
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
It seems like we get turned down by the big names, then we deny having offered them and hire relatively unproven people. Then it later comes out that we wouldn't ante up for top talent prices.
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In some situations it has nothing to do with money. Coaches want to keep themselves employable and will avoid situations that have a high risk of not meeting expectations. Tennessee was in a very bad place in 2012 - the risk of a coach not being able to succeed in a timely fashion was very high.
 
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jakez4ut said:
wait, what? you do know LSU turned down Herman's counter of, what, 6.5m a year? and "settled" for the cheaper, interim version.
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Fiction...and spin. LSU reportedly offered him less than the 6.5 mil they offered Fisher...which made sense. But it never got to the point of counter offers. They offered him as much as he eventually received from Texas but set a deadline for him to accept. This was before the opening at Texas even existed. Soon as it did LSU knew they wouldn't get him. The bull about a "bidding war" came from Alleva...this was never about dollar figures, just preference.
 
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landscapingvol said:
That is just silly. Michigan hired Hoke because he was a "Michigan" guy. Mcelwain had turned around Colorado State in 2 years. Brian Kelly had turned around Cincinnati. Muschamp was the hottest coordinator at the time and was the coach in waiting at Texas. We hire guys with no track record of success at any level and then claim there are no big names.
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Mark Dantonio coached Cincy before Kelly. How much of a "turnaround" was there to turn? :huh:
 
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butchna said:
Fiction...and spin. LSU reportedly offered him less than the 6.5 mil they offered Fisher...which made sense. But it never got to the point of counter offers. They offered him as much as he eventually received from Texas but set a deadline for him to accept. This was before the opening at Texas even existed. Soon as it did LSU knew they wouldn't get him. The bull about a "bidding war" came from Alleva...this was never about dollar figures, just preference.
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hence the ? in there, inferring i wasn't sure. i wasn't trying to spin anything. they way i understood it was Herman asked for more, LSU declined. if that's not true, then so be it.
 
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jakez4ut said:
hence the ? in there, inferring i wasn't sure. i wasn't trying to spin anything. they way i understood it was Herman asked for more, LSU declined. if that's not true, then so be it.
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Don't remember saying the spin was perpetrated by you. If I did...apologies. LSU advocates swear that Herman was playing a money game with them and every Texas fan I know points to their own big bucks donor base and ask why? Bottom line is Herman had Texas ties and wanted to be there.
 
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butchna said:
Don't remember saying the spin was perpetrated by you. If I did...apologies. LSU advocates swear that Herman was playing a money game with them and every Texas fan I know points to their own big bucks donor base and ask why? Bottom line is Herman had Texas ties and wanted to be there.
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no worries. and i agree.
 
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I could believe that LSU offered Jimbo $6.5 million, and if Herman learned of that offer then it would be hard for LSU not to make him the same offer if they were serious in pursuing him.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
I could believe that LSU offered Jimbo $6.5 million, and if Herman learned of that offer then it would be hard for LSU not to make him the same offer if they were serious in pursuing him.
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Herman was also aware of their respective resumes. LSU offered both their market values. Both turned LSU down in favor of preferred employers.
 
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BeecherVol said:
At 7-5? :eek:lol:

Dantonio layed a solid base, Kelly took it to the next level walking out the door at 12-0.
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When you were Wikipediaing, did you notice the prior coaches to Dantonio...and their RECORDS?. :hmm: "Baseline" is pretty important. Dantonio left him something to work with. If Kelly had started with what Minter left, his record would have suffered.
 
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butchna said:
When you were Wikipediaing, did you notice the prior coaches to Dantonio...and their RECORDS?. :hmm: "Baseline" is pretty important. Dantonio left him something to work with. If Kelly had started with what Minter left, his record would have suffered.
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Previous 5 seasons with Minter
3-8 1999
7-5 2000
7-5 2001
7-5 2002
5-7 2003

Dantonio was slightly better
7-5
4-7
8-5

Kelly elevated that team.
 
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TennVOLS93 said:
Previous 5 seasons with Minter
3-8 1999
7-5 2000
7-5 2001
7-5 2002
5-7 2003

Dantonio was slightly better
7-5
4-7
8-5

Kelly elevated that team.
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There we go! Getting somewhere! "Elevated" wasn't the term we were quibbling over. "Turnaround" is when you stop losing more than you win. Dantonio did that. Those 8 wins in Cincy landed him the Michigan State job. Because he TURNED AROUND the Cincy program! :)
 
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butchna said:
When you were Wikipediaing, did you notice the prior coaches to Dantonio...and their RECORDS?. :hmm: "Baseline" is pretty important. Dantonio left him something to work with. If Kelly had started with what Minter left, his record would have suffered.
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No, why would I?
If we re going back a decade + (if you go with "coaches") to find a "baseline" for Dantonio why are we only going as far as Dantonio for a "baseline" for Kelly's success?

Minter averaged 6.3 wins in his last 3 years at Cinci
Dantonio averaged 6 in his only 3 years.
Kelly averaged 11 in his only 3 years.
 
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butchna said:
There we go! Getting somewhere! "Elevated" wasn't the term we were quibbling over. "Turnaround" is when you stop losing more than you win. Dantonio did that. Those 8 wins in Cincy landed him the Michigan State job. Because he TURNED AROUND the Cincy program! :)
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Averaged the same amount of wins over 3 years. If you consider going 7-5 over 5-7 a solid turnaround, to each their own I guess.
 
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butchna said:
There we go! Getting somewhere! "Elevated" wasn't the term we were quibbling over. "Turnaround" is when you stop losing more than you win. Dantonio did that. Those 8 wins in Cincy landed him the Michigan State job. Because he TURNED AROUND the Cincy program! :)
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To clarify, Dantiono left Cinci at 7 wins. Kelly coached the bowl win
 
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TennVOLS93 said:
Averaged the same amount of wins over 3 years. If you consider going 7-5 over 5-7 a solid turnaround, to each their own I guess.
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Minter had a .457 winning percentage. Dantonio at .517. Little bit more than a "7-5 over 5-7" number game, but TO EACH THEIR OWN I guess. :)
 
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BeecherVol said:
To clarify, Dantiono left Cinci at 7 wins. Kelly coached the bowl win
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Oh? So he got ANOTHER victory off Dantonio's turnaround? :thumbsup: Even more awesomer! And Kelly did the "turnaround" on a BOWL TEAM, did he? :)
 
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BeecherVol said:
No, why would I?
If we re going back a decade + (if you go with "coaches") to find a "baseline" for Dantonio why are we only going as far as Dantonio for a "baseline" for Kelly's success?

Minter averaged 6.3 wins in his last 3 years at Cinci
Dantonio averaged 6 in his only 3 years.
Kelly averaged 11 in his only 3 years.
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I wasn't going back a decade. I'm going with what was left each coach. Program was turned around by the time Kelly took it. He ran with it like a mutha! But he didn't turn a ragpan into a bathrobe.
 
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