UTC's David Blackburn says no official contact with UT on job

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So now we are suggesting that UT can afford any coach they just don't want our money? We specially targeted Dooley, Kiffin, Tyndall, Warlick, and Barnes because that is the only type of coach we can regardless of money? If that is the case we may as well disband the entire AD haha nonsense. UT hired Kiffin due to convenience and ease just like they did with Dooley and Tyndall. Every other NFL team passed on Kiffin as well as other major colleges. He had been a sole coordinator at SC for one year prior to kook hiring him. He was the 6th highest paid coach, Jones is the 7th, and Dooley was the 8th highest. They have averaged around 6-8 in pay and about that in results
 
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Vol4ever said:
No I dont believe in a defeatest attidude. Fire Butch? Well there are those on this board that says they are happy with Butch. Doesnt that provide a little insight to what is going on here? If you hire the right coaches to begin with then you dont have to worry about a buyout.
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where is the guarantee with that?

Pay Carroll 8 million and in year 4 he is at 7-5 then what?
 
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Vol4ever said:
I work in the business world and nothing comes easy, nothing if you are successful and want to be on top. Top teams are on the top for a reason.

If Tennessee doesnt have the money to hire a top coach then we need to know that. Then we need to shut up and accept 8-4 seasons and mediocrity.
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if they had a coach that was a slam dunk winner and could bring championships they would pay him. They are not going to throw money at a coach that can't deliver. Not sure how they determine who can deliver..

Butch went to two bowl games and his salary went up 1.5 million. They will pay the money and they can get it if needed
 
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LWSVOL said:
if they had a coach that was a slam dunk winner and could bring championships they would pay him. They are not going to throw money at a coach that can't deliver. Not sure how they determine who can deliver..

Butch went to two bowl games and his salary went up 1.5 million. They will pay the money and they can get it if needed
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Our issues is, no "big time" coach wants to be here. Who are we really going to replace Butch with? I mean outside Dan Mullen, I'm not sure what upgrade we can get. Les Miles? He'd worry me. Lane Kiffin :crazy: Jim Bob :loco: Chip Kelly :p

All I know is, if Butch's has a good 2017 season and bolts/we feel it isn't a long-term fit, I'd throw the house at Dan Mullen. He'd be a "big time" hire IMO, and probably about as good as hire as we can make. Ultimately, I just wish Butch would hire a great OC, let Shoop bring in his guys, and then let his coordinators run the show. That's in everyone's best interest IMO, and its also a fairy tale most likely.
 
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Vol4ever said:
No I dont believe in a defeatest attidude. Fire Butch? Well there are those on this board that says they are happy with Butch. Doesnt that provide a little insight to what is going on here? If you hire the right coaches to begin with then you dont have to worry about a buyout.
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You say that like it is so easy. You don't know who the "right coach" is when you hire them! You can make decisions based on the information that you have at the time, but that isn't something that is known with certainty. If it was, there would be 128 FBS teams that all have the "right coach."
 
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LWSVOL said:
Not sure how they determine who can deliver..
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And that is the what is impossible to predict. Success elsewhere does not guarantee success someplace else - there are lots of variables.

There are only maybe a handful of coaches out there that might be close to a guarantee - and they aren't leaving where they are at.

I find it so ironic when folks on here throw out coaches names - then you go look at their records and they are 8- 9 win average coaches which is what most are complaining about.

The grass is almost never greener ... of all places Tennessee should know that.
 
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volfan102455 said:
And that is the what is impossible to predict. Success elsewhere does not guarantee success someplace else - there are lots of variables.

There are only maybe a handful of coaches out there that might be close to a guarantee - and they aren't leaving where they are at.

I find it so ironic when folks on here throw out coaches names - then you go look at their records and they are 8- 9 win average coaches which is what most are complaining about.

The grass is almost never greener ... of all places Tennessee should know that.
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The problem with Tennessee is that our last two hires we've had to Google just to find out who the h*** the guys are after they were hired. That is pathetic. Paint it any color you want.
 
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We seem to have a contingent wanting to dump our 8-4/$4 million per year guy for an 8-4 guy and pay him $7/8 million. Does not make sense to me. I'm not sure we have a guy in NCAA football that's not already in a long term gig we can hire that's close to a slam dunk 9 wins or better a year guy. I think the only guys in this category are in the NFL, chances are Cowherd, Carroll, and Mike Tomlin could be convinced to jump ship for $8/9 million per year at UT but that's the only guys in my view who could do it. Would they, who knows?
 
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orange parmejohn said:
The problem with Tennessee is that our last two hires we've had to Google just to find out who the h*** the guys are after they were hired. That is pathetic. Paint it any color you want.
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Funny because it seemed like there were quite a few schools, as well as Peyton Manning, who knew exactly who Butch Jones was before Tennessee hired him.
 
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orange parmejohn said:
The problem with Tennessee is that our last two hires we've had to Google just to find out who the h*** the guys are after they were hired. That is pathetic. Paint it any color you want.
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The only reason I didn't have to look up Jones was due to sitting in the Cincinnati section when they come to Neyland.

He went by "D@mn Butch" among a few other names that day.
 
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keckjm said:
Our issues is, no "big time" coach wants to be here. Who are we really going to replace Butch with? I mean outside Dan Mullen, I'm not sure what upgrade we can get. Les Miles? He'd worry me. Lane Kiffin :crazy: Jim Bob :loco: Chip Kelly :p

All I know is, if Butch's has a good 2017 season and bolts/we feel it isn't a long-term fit, I'd throw the house at Dan Mullen. He'd be a "big time" hire IMO, and probably about as good as hire as we can make. Ultimately, I just wish Butch would hire a great OC, let Shoop bring in his guys, and then let his coordinators run the show. That's in everyone's best interest IMO, and its also a fairy tale most likely.
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agree 100%. it is by far in the best interest if the Tennessee football program if Butch Jones is successful and can win at a level that satisfies this fan base. There is zero doubt about that. To have to replace him is as great a risk as when we replaced Fulmer. You never know if they will be successful
 
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volfan102455 said:
And that is the what is impossible to predict. Success elsewhere does not guarantee success someplace else - there are lots of variables.

There are only maybe a handful of coaches out there that might be close to a guarantee - and they aren't leaving where they are at.

I find it so ironic when folks on here throw out coaches names - then you go look at their records and they are 8- 9 win average coaches which is what most are complaining about.

The grass is almost never greener ... of all places Tennessee should know that.
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agree.

Petrino is the name that is perfect example.

he might get to 10 wins every once in a while but how many championships has he won in lesser leagues?
 
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Remy said:
We seem to have a contingent wanting to dump our 8-4/$4 million per year guy for an 8-4 guy and pay him $7/8 million. Does not make sense to me. I'm not sure we have a guy in NCAA football that's not already in a long term gig we can hire that's close to a slam dunk 9 wins or better a year guy. I think the only guys in this category are in the NFL, chances are Cowherd, Carroll, and Mike Tomlin could be convinced to jump ship for $8/9 million per year at UT but that's the only guys in my view who could do it. Would they, who knows?
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High risk guys...

Can they recruit???

Can they live with NCAA rules???

Can they limit themselves to 20 hour weeks hands on with players?

Can they get out with boosters and glad hand with them??

Will they want to travel around to university functions all over the south all the time??

Will they want to coddle 85 18-22 year old kids opposed to self motivated professional athletes?

Pro guys that have never coached in college are in for an entirely different job than an NFL job
 
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LWSVOL said:
agree 100%. it is by far in the best interest if the Tennessee football program if Butch Jones is successful and can win at a level that satisfies this fan base. There is zero doubt about that. To have to replace him is as great a risk as when we replaced Fulmer. You never know if they will be successful
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Our best interest isn't going to make Butch Jones a good football coach. He is not. Keeping him due to fear, is ridiculous. If Jones could actually get out of the way and letter better football minds win some games for him,I might feel differently. But he will never do that, from all that I have read about him.
 
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LWSVOL said:
if they had a coach that was a slam dunk winner and could bring championships they would pay him. They are not going to throw money at a coach that can't deliver. Not sure how they determine who can deliver..

Butch went to two bowl games and his salary went up 1.5 million. They will pay the money and they can get it if needed
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We can all agree that hiring a "sure" thing is next to impossible but to suggest that there aren't far better resumes out there than the coaches we have settled for is a bit dishonest and money played a major factor. I mean good grief Donny Tyndall had more baggage than a 747. Lane Kiffin had never accomplished anything as a head coach prior to UT. Derek Dooley had one winning season as a head coach prior to UT. Holly Warlick had never been a head coach at any level and had no major college job offers as an assistant. Butch Jones had a moderate level of success and he has done ok so I will give him the benefit of the doubt but IF we are willing to pay top money but can't find a coach that is willing to work here with let's say a conference championship, a BCS bowl berth, or the experience of turning a program around on their resume then we have deeper issues than I thought.
 
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It doesn't have to be a "big" name coach but a coach that has at least accomplished something. Take Florida for example, they didn't hire huge name coaches with the exception of the Muschamp lunacy, but they hired guys who had at least proven they could coach. Urban Meyer had taken a team to a BCS bowl, Mcelwain had turned around the Colorado State team, Freeze had turned around two programs before being hired at Auburn, Virginia Tech hired Fuente a guy who had turned around Memphis, Virginia hired Bronco Mendenhall a guy who had built a good program at BYU, etc. I am not suggesting that UT has to hire a Gruden, Saban, Belicheck type hire but at least someone with a track record of success and that is the issue. I realize Barnes had success is his past but the guy is well past his prime. He is at least doing a decent job. Jones has had some decent success but followed successful coaches so he has had no real experience rebuilding a program. I will give him credit he has done a decent job as well but you can't expect results from coaches that have never really had any at any level as a head coach. You can't then claim that money is not an issue when other schools with no history are able to make better hires. Because if coaches are rejecting UT no matter the price then UT needs to fire its entire athletic department.
 
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DeerPark12 said:
You literally said "head booster." That's what I quoted you on, so, no, I don't have a reading problem.

Jim is the UT booster. Jimmy is the Browns owner. Jimmy purchased the Browns with his own fortune, not Big Jim's. Yes, they are one family. No, they don't all pull money out of one big pool.

On Kiffin, he took slightly less money when he came here so we could play his assistants better. Tennessee's 2009 coaching staff made $5.3 million, which ranked 4th in the SEC that season (Tennessee to spend $5.3M on coaching salaries). He was the 6th highest-paid head coach at $2 million.

Why could Kiffin not get a west coast job? Because there weren't many at major schools. (2009 College Football Coaching Changes, College Football New Coaches) New Mexico, New Mexico State, Oregon, San Diego State, Utah State, and Washington were the only "West Coast" jobs that came open.

Only Oregon and Washington were power-five schools out of those. Oregon was a planned transition from Belotti to Kelly. Washington fired Willingham in late October and had extensive contact with Kiffin. Tennessee moved first and he had an agreement to coach the Friday before the Kentucky game and was announced on Monday. Washington didn't hire Sark until the next week. It was widely reported at the time that Tennessee and Washington were competing for Kiffin's services and that they hired Sark when they couldn't get Kiffin.

As for today, per USA Today's salary database (Football | Assistant | Salaries | USA TODAY Sports) Shoop ($1,155,000) was the 5th highest paid assistant coach in the SEC this season behind Chavis ($1,558,000), Kiffin ($1,400,000), Aranda ($1,315,000), and Cameron ($1,200,000).
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Kiffin had zero qualifications to be the head coach at UT and you know this. Kiffin was hired for expediency to keep the recruiting class halfway together that Fulmer had already done much of the work on. You can dismiss the fact that other West Coast programs passed on Kiffin as well as every other NFL team but that doesn't somehow make your point true. The Haslams, Jim and his son whom he handed the company to you act as though Jimmy achieved his success separate and apart from Big Jim, have been the dominant boosters for UT for decades. Is Charles Erdogen a big time player? I am sure he is. I do not know the man. As far as Bob Shoop goes, yes he was given a large salary but that does not make up for the years that UT was behind in coordinator salaries as compared to the rest of the SEC. You cannot cherry pick coaches here or there and claim that it is somehow the norm.

2016: Jones 8th in SEC in pay
2015: Jones 9th in SEC in pay
2014: Jones 11th in SEC in pay
2013: Jones 11th in SEC in pay
2012: Dooley 10th in SEC in pay
2011: Dooley 10th in SEC in pay

2016: Barnes 5th in the SEC in pay
2015: Barnes 4th in the SEC in pay
2014: Tyndall 5th in the SEC in pay
2013: Martin 5th in the SEC in pay

Basketball numbers are a bit skewed due to being woefully behind Kentucky, and the rest of the SEC pretty much ignoring basketball outside of Florida or Vandebilt.
 
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