UTC's David Blackburn says no official contact with UT on job

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BigOrangeTrain said:
Wouldnt surprise me in the least if Tennessee doesnt get Blackburn.
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Wouldn't surprise me if they don't even offer him the job. Both CBJ and CRB know Blackburn is good at what he does and they need someone to be on their side. Butch knows he's on a short leash, he needs a Butch Jones guy to come in here
 
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LWSVOL said:
Here is 8 million dollars. What coach is worth that money that you can entice to come to Tennessee? That would put that person on par with Saban, Meyer and Harbaugh.
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Which is precisely my point, but worth is a relative term. Is Nick Saban worth 7 million dollars to be a football coach? No, he is not but the fans and AD believe he is therefore they are willing to spend it. There have been many examples in UT's past where they had the opportunity to spend a little extra money to hire a relatively proven head coach but did not. Kiffin, Dooley, and Jones come to mind. Either of them could have been successful, and to some degree Jones has been, but they passed on more proven coaches and have gotten lesser results. It's not just football either. Donnie Tyndal? Holly Warlick? Jerry Green? Rick Barnes, to a certain degree?
 
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LWSVOL said:
Your reference is not the first reference I've seen to that but I've never seen direct quotes from her in that regard. I've also not seen an article talking about it. But yours is not the first time I've seen it mentioned on a message board.. Just don't recall which message board

It would be really, really bad and not very smart if she made that statement because the truth is, she is saying that anyone working in the Athletic Department needs to leave as soon as possible. They were all there during that episode or there would be very few that were not there.

That covers a lot of people including the football staff, football support staff and other staffs around campus. Would not be a very smart thing to say prior to even being approved to go forward from the BOT.

JMO
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I understand what you are saying. I didn't see it on another message board for this one is the only one I am even on and I rarely post on it. I like to look around and try to keep up on whats going on though on here. I swear I have looked all day and can't find a thing now on it. I wish I would have saved it when I read because I knew later on it would come up esp if what was said on it was true. Like I said earlier though I don't try to be a know it all or have any cred of any kind, heck most of what I think I know I forget anyway in my old age. I'll keep looking for it maybe I'll see it again. if I do I will deff Post it up, If not then, well ppl can say I am Delusional and thats ok by me :)
 
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landscapingvol said:
Not much, but the Athletic Department at UT doesn't seem to share that opinion on a coach's value.
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What does that have to do with Saban not being worth 7 million even tho that's what Bama is paying him?

And would pay 10 tomorrow if he told them he would walk.
 
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landscapingvol said:
Saban won a NC at LSU and was an NFL coach for multiple years?! Was that a serious point? Harbaugh revived two programs at Stanford and SDSU.
Meyer went to a BCS bowl at Utah. Was that a serious point? Umm, not to mention two NC's at UF before OSU. Dabo was on the verge of being fired at Clemson before spending money on big time coordinators and I never classified him as a sure fire winner. The jury is still out on Butch which was my point.
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There is so much hindsight bias and false assumptions in your statement. It's 2016 and Urban has won multiple national titles at two different schools. Using that hindsight, you're talking like it was known with virtual 100% certainly that Urban would do well at Florida or Saban would do well at LSU. It's easy to look at a successful coach and think you knew they would be successful all along.

There was certainly optimism about Urban when he came to Florida, but there was skepticism too. Maybe he couldn't recruit in the SEC, given he had no ties to it. Maybe the spread was a gimmick offense that wouldn't work against SEC defenses. He was "only" making $2M/year on his initial contract at Florida and only became a big time, big money coach after he won a national title there. Again, you are suffering from hindsight bias. There were even some doubts that Urban could replicate what he did at Florida at Ohio State (e.g., they went 8-5 in his last year, they started regressing with out Tebow and he couldn't replace him, etc.).

Are you really saying that money is all there is to it? Hang $8M/year over someone's head and the right coach will just come to you?
 
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BeecherVol said:
When did we hire one?

You're rolling it today better than usual.
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My point for you two chowder heads is that UT's past has shown that UT hasn't been willing to pay top dollar for coaches on a consistent basis. Maybe you are right? Maybe the new AD will open up the check book like the AD's at Alabama, LSU, and Auburn but I don't have my hopes up.
 
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landscapingvol said:
My point for you two chowder heads is that UT's past has shown that UT hasn't been willing to pay top dollar for coaches on a consistent basis. Maybe you are right? Maybe the new AD will open up the check book like the AD's at Alabama, LSU, and Auburn but I don't have my hopes up.
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I'm just poking at you about your previous posts regarding Blackburn not being the guy yet.

Now go blow some leaves.
 
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05_never_again said:
There is so much hindsight bias and false assumptions in your statement. It's 2016 and Urban has won multiple national titles at two different schools. Using that hindsight, you're talking like it was known with virtual 100% certainly that Urban would do well at Florida or Saban would do well at LSU. It's easy to look at a successful coach and think you knew they would be successful all along.

There was certainly optimism about Urban when he came to Florida, but there was skepticism too. Maybe he couldn't recruit in the SEC, given he had no ties to it. Maybe the spread was a gimmick offense that wouldn't work against SEC defenses. He was "only" making $2M/year on his initial contract at Florida and only became a big time, big money coach after he won a national title there. Again, you are suffering from hindsight bias.

Are you really saying that money is all there is to it? Hang $8M/year over someone's head and the right coach will just come to you?
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Was there some questions associated with Urban Meyer before UF? Of course there were, but he had won a BCS bowl. You can't really compare that to anything a previous coach had done outside of Majors before coming to UT.
 
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landscapingvol said:
Clearly reading is not a strong suit for you, at no point did I say he was the only booster but Jim is the money man, not his son. Yes, his son technically owns the Browns but the Haslams as a family control the wealth and Jimmy is a benefactor. I also made the statement "since" Majors. Fulmer had never been a head coach, other than interim for a few games, therefore he was an unknown quantity which is precisely what I said. Kiffin was a head coach for a grand total of one and a half seasons in a dysfunctional franchise. He had never been a college head coach which is again an unknown. Strange how a West Coast guy couldn't get hired on the West Coast if he was such a "hot" commodity? He made very little at UT compared to other head coaches in the SEC. Bob Shoop would be tied for the 6th highest paid coordinator in the SEC tied with Kevin Steele behind Chavis, Aranda, Cameron (fired), Kiffin (left right after raise), and Pruitt. If you had actually read what I had to say, then you would have realized the context for coordinators was top pay. If you combine his salary with Debord, UT is barely in the middle of the road for SEC coordinator pay at around 1.6 million; which is behind Alabama, LSU, Auburn, Texas A & M, and Georgia. They are essentially tied with Arkansas, South Carolina, and Missouri. Four teams have to be removed from the list because they don't have two sole coordinators including Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Vanderbilt, and Florida.
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You literally said "head booster." That's what I quoted you on, so, no, I don't have a reading problem.

Jim is the UT booster. Jimmy is the Browns owner. Jimmy purchased the Browns with his own fortune, not Big Jim's. Yes, they are one family. No, they don't all pull money out of one big pool.

On Kiffin, he took slightly less money when he came here so we could play his assistants better. Tennessee's 2009 coaching staff made $5.3 million, which ranked 4th in the SEC that season (Tennessee to spend $5.3M on coaching salaries). He was the 6th highest-paid head coach at $2 million.

Why could Kiffin not get a west coast job? Because there weren't many at major schools. (2009 College Football Coaching Changes, College Football New Coaches) New Mexico, New Mexico State, Oregon, San Diego State, Utah State, and Washington were the only "West Coast" jobs that came open.

Only Oregon and Washington were power-five schools out of those. Oregon was a planned transition from Belotti to Kelly. Washington fired Willingham in late October and had extensive contact with Kiffin. Tennessee moved first and he had an agreement to coach the Friday before the Kentucky game and was announced on Monday. Washington didn't hire Sark until the next week. It was widely reported at the time that Tennessee and Washington were competing for Kiffin's services and that they hired Sark when they couldn't get Kiffin.

As for today, per USA Today's salary database (Football | Assistant | Salaries | USA TODAY Sports) Shoop ($1,155,000) was the 5th highest paid assistant coach in the SEC this season behind Chavis ($1,558,000), Kiffin ($1,400,000), Aranda ($1,315,000), and Cameron ($1,200,000).
 
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landscapingvol said:
Saban won a NC at LSU and was an NFL coach for multiple years?! Was that a serious point? Harbaugh revived two programs at Stanford and SDSU.
Meyer went to a BCS bowl at Utah. Was that a serious point? Umm, not to mention two NC's at UF before OSU. Dabo was on the verge of being fired at Clemson before spending money on big time coordinators and I never classified him as a sure fire winner. The jury is still out on Butch which was my point.
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not sure what your point is. did Michigan, OSU and Bama get known commodities? yeah. did OSU and Bama get proven winners? yeah. i didn't say they didn't.

my point was simply while it may have been a good bet, neither of them could have anticipated the uber winning both have done since arriving. i don't think anyone thought they'd fail, or just be average.

but, back to the original point....i don't, nor do i think anyone else critical of butch, thinks we're going to poach any of those three, or any of the other names mentioned, from their current positions.

rather, each of those guys, specifically the group of Freeze, Malzahn, Sweeny, Sumlin etc....were all lesser known commodities...and in almost each case, it's been better than probably expected. even for sumlin who's seat is probably starting to warm up again, has coached a heisman trophy winning QB, sent several guys to the NFL, and continues to recruit well. and he's got some pretty good marquis wins under his belt.

freeze has done things at Ole MIss that haven't been done in 40+ years. Malzahn has already had Auburn in a national title game, and won the conf. Sweeny is winning his conf and going to playoffs and BCS games.

you can find success. and it doesn't have to be Meyer or Sabanlike success to matter. b/c if that's what you expect if you do fire CBJ, then you are most likely going to be disappointed. i'm not one of those though. so i'm not scared to say "we can do better", if we decide to.
 
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landscapingvol said:
Was there some questions associated with Urban Meyer before UF? Of course there were, but he had won a BCS bowl. You can't really compare that to anything a previous coach had done outside of Majors before coming to UT.
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That undefeated season and BCS bowl berth was earned while playing a creampuff schedule (didn't play a ranked team all year) and they beat an 8-4 Pitt team in the Fiesta Bowl. They didn't exactly face elite competition. See how much more difficult this is when you only have the information available that you had at the time? It is so easy with hindsight to sit here and act like it was somehow predictable all along.

Let's play the same game with Saban. He went 34-24-1 (23-16-1) at a mediocre Big 10 program and was 0-3 in bowl games before arriving at LSU. It only became clear he was a "big time" coach after he won a national championship at LSU.

I'll give you that Alabama had a pretty good idea of what they were getting when they hired him, but he still has achieved at a level way beyond anyone's wildest dreams. If you told Tennessee fans in 2007 that Saban was going to be at Alabama for at least 10 years and win 4 national championships, they'd try to admit you to the psych ward. It was predictable that he'd improve the program, even improve it dramatically, but not send them on a run like they've had.
 
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jos3ywales said:
I understand what you are saying. I didn't see it on another message board for this one is the only one I am even on and I rarely post on it. I like to look around and try to keep up on whats going on though on here. I swear I have looked all day and can't find a thing now on it. I wish I would have saved it when I read because I knew later on it would come up esp if what was said on it was true. Like I said earlier though I don't try to be a know it all or have any cred of any kind, heck most of what I think I know I forget anyway in my old age. I'll keep looking for it maybe I'll see it again. if I do I will deff Post it up, If not then, well ppl can say I am Delusional and thats ok by me :)
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sounds like your pushing my age. delusion and age go together... :thumbsup:
 
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landscapingvol said:
Which is precisely my point, but worth is a relative term. Is Nick Saban worth 7 million dollars to be a football coach? No, he is not but the fans and AD believe he is therefore they are willing to spend it. There have been many examples in UT's past where they had the opportunity to spend a little extra money to hire a relatively proven head coach but did not. Kiffin, Dooley, and Jones come to mind. Either of them could have been successful, and to some degree Jones has been, but they passed on more proven coaches and have gotten lesser results. It's not just football either. Donnie Tyndal? Holly Warlick? Jerry Green? Rick Barnes, to a certain degree?
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who did they pass on?
 
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This is why we cant have nice things...yall want to argue about EVERYTHING...EVERYTHING....and most of us have no ammunition to agree with....Nice things??? just cant have em!!!
 
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