UT will get to see a good example first hand in two weeks.......

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People who say that coaches should be given more time and it takes years to rebuild etc.... in two weeks we are going to go to Ole Miss and probably get monkey stomped by the rebels. We will see first hand what program recovery SHOULD look like.


Here is the story of Ole Miss:

Last two years under Houston Nutt:
4-8 and 2-10. Tennessee has NEVER had records this bad, even under Dooley. I think we can all agree that Ole Miss was just as broken, if not more so, than UT when Nutt left than when Dooley left UT.

Hugh Freeze had exactly ONE year of head coaching experience prior to Ole Miss. I'd think that's pretty much the definition of a no-name coaching hire.

Here is what Hugh has done:

Year One: took a team that previously went 2-10 and went 7-6, a winning season with a bowl victory, 2012 recruiting class ranked 40th, 13th out of 14 teams in the SEC

Year Two: 8-5, a marked improvement, also with a bowl victory recruiting class ranked #7, 4th in the SEC

Year Three: 5-0 for the first time in multiple generations, ranked #3 in the nation, just beat Alabama, recruiting class ranked #19, 10th out of 14 in the SEC

This was all accomplished while playing in the same division as Alabama, Auburn, LSU, and TA&M and other than last year, the recruiting classes have not been stellar at all. Since 2009, Tennessee has had a higher ranked recruiting class in all but one year. So Ole miss plays in a harder division and with less talent than Tennessee.

I am NOT saying that Butch Jones and his staff have to be fired now. What I am saying is that good coaches do not take years to turn around a program. Especially one with the history of UT. and they especially win the football games that they are supposed to win and then win games that they are not supposed to win. Nick Saban didnt take that long to turn around Bama and Urban Meyer didnt take that long to turn around Florida. Also, on a much different scale, Franklin took Vanderbilt to places it had never been, even though that's not saying much.
 
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Alabama and Florida are easy programs to turn around. You just ask a kid to play for you and 8/10 times they say yes.

Ole Miss is a lot harder, but they got lucky with a good coaching hire.

Tennessee is not what it used to be, knoxville is not an appealing city to a college kid, and the football program is no incentive to deal with that. Contrary to popular belief, this is not an easy job and not an easy team to build.
 
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Christian Lowe said:
Alabama and Florida are easy programs to turn around. You just ask a kid to play for you and 8/10 times they say yes.

Ole Miss is a lot harder, but they got lucky with a good coaching hire.

Tennessee is not what it used to be, knoxville is not an appealing city to a college kid, and the football program is no incentive to deal with that. Contrary to popular belief, this is not an easy job and not an easy team to build.
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Getting kids to play for UT, even if your coach is Derek Dooley, is easier than getting them to play for Ole Miss.
 
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If Dooley had recruited OL in 2012 we'd probably be 4-1 and praising Butch for beating two of our biggest SEC East rivals.
 
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MWAVolfan said:
People who say that coaches should be given more time and it takes years to rebuild etc.... in two weeks we are going to go to Ole Miss and probably get monkey stomped by the rebels. We will see first hand what program recovery SHOULD look like.


Here is the story of Ole Miss:

Last two years under Houston Nutt:
4-8 and 2-10. Tennessee has NEVER had records this bad, even under Dooley. I think we can all agree that Ole Miss was just as broken, if not more so, than UT when Nutt left than when Dooley left UT.

Hugh Freeze had exactly ONE year of head coaching experience prior to Ole Miss. I'd think that's pretty much the definition of a no-name coaching hire.

Here is what Hugh has done:

Year One: took a team that previously went 2-10 and went 7-6, a winning season with a bowl victory, 2012 recruiting class ranked 40th, 13th out of 14 teams in the SEC

Year Two: 8-5, a marked improvement, also with a bowl victory recruiting class ranked #7, 4th in the SEC

Year Three: 5-0 for the first time in multiple generations, ranked #3 in the nation, just beat Alabama, recruiting class ranked #19, 10th out of 14 in the SEC

This was all accomplished while playing in the same division as Alabama, Auburn, LSU, and TA&M and other than last year, the recruiting classes have not been stellar at all. Since 2009, Tennessee has had a higher ranked recruiting class in all but one year. So Ole miss plays in a harder division and with less talent than Tennessee.

I am NOT saying that Butch Jones and his staff have to be fired now. What I am saying is that good coaches do not take years to turn around a program. Especially one with the history of UT. and they especially win the football games that they are supposed to win and then win games that they are not supposed to win. Nick Saban didnt take that long to turn around Bama and Urban Meyer didnt take that long to turn around Florida. Also, on a much different scale, Franklin took Vanderbilt to places it had never been, even though that's not saying much.
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What teams made up the schedule the first two years...and what was stat of the "good" teams they beat? ....a down year perhaps......they had a rediculous recruiting class or two in there some where....to skirt the surface.....
 
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Doesn't Ole Miss have a probable NFL first rounder at left offensive tackle? Worley would probably sell his soul for one of those.
 
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Christian Lowe said:
Alabama and Florida are easy programs to turn around. You just ask a kid to play for you and 8/10 times they say yes.

Ole Miss is a lot harder, but they got lucky with a good coaching hire.

Tennessee is not what it used to be, knoxville is not an appealing city to a college kid, and the football program is no incentive to deal with that. Contrary to popular belief, this is not an easy job and not an easy team to build.
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I disagree. Have you been to Gainesville? It's a pretty lousy town. Knoxville has alot to offer a college kid (and plenty of recruits have seemed to agree over the years). Compared to alot of SEC towns, Baton Rouge, Oxford, Tuscaloosa, Columbia, etc. Knoxville is as attractive as any of those. Auburn is in the middle of nowhere.

It's not location that has been holding us back. If that was the case, then how do you figure we are one of the most winning programs of all time? Our location hasn't changed. If anything, there is even more in state talent now and the area is definitely growing.

Poor management, poor hires, poor decision-making, etc. are far more likely to blame.
 
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Looking at the 2012 Ole miss schedule they went 6-6 regular season with wins over Central Ark, UTEP, Tulane, Auburn (Lame duck Chizik year 0-8 in sec) Arkansas ( Bobby Petrino scandal) and beat Miss State their traditional rival. Won their bowl game against pitt to finish 7-6

2013 pretty similar story beat the cupcakes... Beat a terrible Texas team with Mack brown distraction. and Pulled off a game they weren't supposed to win over LSU... Beat Georgia tech in a bowl game....

Give us consistent qb play last year and we match the 2012 Ole Miss schedule and the Jury is still out on this years team.. Lets see what our final record is this year before we compare.
 
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lets recruit a couple years, dools screwed the pooch with his bad recruiting....if you don't have patience, go be a black bear fan...cya
 
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I think our growth is more like Miss State, but once we get a game changing play making QB this team will make noise.
 
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VOLAGAIN said:
What teams made up the schedule the first two years...and what was stat of the "good" teams they beat? ....a down year perhaps......they had a rediculous recruiting class or two in there some where....to skirt the surface.....
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The SEC West
 
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VOLAGAIN said:
What teams made up the schedule the first two years...and what was stat of the "good" teams they beat? ....a down year perhaps......they had a rediculous recruiting class or two in there some where....to skirt the surface.....
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they had one good recruiting year, which was not as good as the 2014 class that UT had.

The teams that made up their schedule were Bama, LSU, Auburn, and Texas A&M
 
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lonelawyer said:
Doesn't Ole Miss have a probable NFL first rounder at left offensive tackle? Worley would probably sell his soul for one of those.
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Tennessee had an entire O-line of NFL players last year. It didnt do Worley that much good, at least in the win column.
 
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lovavol said:
lets recruit a couple years, dools screwed the pooch with his bad recruiting....if you don't have patience, go be a black bear fan...cya
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I'm going to be a UT fan. One who remembers what winning looks like and doesnt want to settle when other teams dont have to settle.
 
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volchemist11 said:
Looking at the 2012 Ole miss schedule they went 6-6 regular season with wins over Central Ark, UTEP, Tulane, Auburn (Lame duck Chizik year 0-8 in sec) Arkansas ( Bobby Petrino scandal) and beat Miss State their traditional rival. Won their bowl game against pitt to finish 7-6

2013 pretty similar story beat the cupcakes... Beat a terrible Texas team with Mack brown distraction. and Pulled off a game they weren't supposed to win over LSU... Beat Georgia tech in a bowl game....

Give us consistent qb play last year and we match the 2012 Ole Miss schedule and the Jury is still out on this years team.. Lets see what our final record is this year before we compare.
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Uhhhh...we just lost to a bad Florida team with Will Muschamp distraction.
 
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Aesius said:
If Dooley had recruited OL in 2012 we'd probably be 4-1 and praising Butch for beating two of our biggest SEC East rivals.
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True but when you think about it, not a single one of Butch's 2013 or 2014 OL recruits have held muster. Roberson was a DT recruit and switched at the last minute in fall camp.

I don't know what is going on with Blair, but after answering questions about him, Butch keeps saying "He's a work in progress." He also seems to hint that it has to do with strength levels.

He mentioned that again today, so it seems to me they are withholding Blair because he doesn't bench as much as the other OT's. Good f'ing grief, if that is indeed their reasoning.
 
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MWAVolfan said:
People who say that coaches should be given more time and it takes years to rebuild etc.... in two weeks we are going to go to Ole Miss and probably get monkey stomped by the rebels. We will see first hand what program recovery SHOULD look like.


Here is the story of Ole Miss:

Last two years under Houston Nutt:
4-8 and 2-10. Tennessee has NEVER had records this bad, even under Dooley. I think we can all agree that Ole Miss was just as broken, if not more so, than UT when Nutt left than when Dooley left UT.

Hugh Freeze had exactly ONE year of head coaching experience prior to Ole Miss. I'd think that's pretty much the definition of a no-name coaching hire.

Here is what Hugh has done:

Year One: took a team that previously went 2-10 and went 7-6, a winning season with a bowl victory, 2012 recruiting class ranked 40th, 13th out of 14 teams in the SEC

Year Two: 8-5, a marked improvement, also with a bowl victory recruiting class ranked #7, 4th in the SEC

Year Three: 5-0 for the first time in multiple generations, ranked #3 in the nation, just beat Alabama, recruiting class ranked #19, 10th out of 14 in the SEC

This was all accomplished while playing in the same division as Alabama, Auburn, LSU, and TA&M and other than last year, the recruiting classes have not been stellar at all. Since 2009, Tennessee has had a higher ranked recruiting class in all but one year. So Ole miss plays in a harder division and with less talent than Tennessee.

I am NOT saying that Butch Jones and his staff have to be fired now. What I am saying is that good coaches do not take years to turn around a program. Especially one with the history of UT. and they especially win the football games that they are supposed to win and then win games that they are not supposed to win. Nick Saban didnt take that long to turn around Bama and Urban Meyer didnt take that long to turn around Florida. Also, on a much different scale, Franklin took Vanderbilt to places it had never been, even though that's not saying much.
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That sounds great and all, but chances are high that Ole Pi$$ will have 3-4 losses themselves by the time the year is done.

They hadn't played anywhere near the strength of schedule we had, before last Sat....and yet everyone's acting like they are some kind of juggernaut. It's good that they upset Bamer, but Bamer isn't it's usual self, and Bamer will likely lose to Auburn and TAM, this season.

We have a glaring roster problem at OT and that is the only thing holding this team back from being a legit contender in the SEC E
 
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Wow. What a difference a missed fg would have made? It actually should have been backed up 5 for delay of game, which I doubt he makes the 54 yarder rekick for fla. The same people that are crying that the sky is falling at ut would be praising jones right now.
The comparison of our team and ole miss at this stage is so unfair. They just had a pretty good season last year with 6 returners on offense and 10 on defense for this year. We replaced everyone on our oline. Ole miss had all conference Ot, and te returning along with a og. We had to replace our ol with two freshman, and a freshman TE. The depth was so bare we had to replace one ol with a converted dt and he was considered the best ol we had, which he promptly got hurt. I think you should wait to compare the rebuilding we are doing two years from now or at least next year to measure the success or failure. Sec games are won in the trenches and our trenches are more bare than anyone in the country, not just in sec. We are 2-3 which is what most reasonable people predicted at this time. I still think we make a bowl game and think we will be in every game including the so called power houses on our schedule that are left. Maybe the breaks will bounce our way. I think Worley had a bad game., really his first one of the young season. We have only had one game where we had all our wr weapons on offense which was really our only source of strength on offense. i wonder if Bo Wallace had two of the top wrs on his team injured, TE just coming back off injury, throw in most of the rbs banged up for the game on Saturday, do you really think ole miss wins vs Bama. I highly doubt it.
 
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