UT vs OSU/Any Chance......My Thoughts

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Unlike many on this board, I was alive and watched the two great upsets in NCAA history: Villanova(an 8 seed) over the great Patrick Ewing lead Geargetown in 1985 plus the 1983 NC State upset over Houston. A hot team, that is well coached, always has a chance if they can control the tempo of the game to it's advantage.

Not trying to be pessimistic, but a few things concern me about our chances of advancing 1)Our freshman point guard; This may be too much to ask of him, even as well as he has improved through the season. I would feel better with an upperclassman directing the attack 2) We must shoot free throws better. The next team will deny Lofton the ball, unlike UVA in the waning minute. 3) Bradshaw offers no offense (I don't think the other team even guards him now) If he could even shoot the medium range jump shot, a defender would have to cover him.

Anyway, the game will be decided on the hardwood and not on internet forums. Go Vols!
 
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1. They have a freshman PG
2. We shoot 65%, they shoot 69%, and JaJuan would be the second ft option (72%).
3. He doesnt need to; 16:1 Assist:TO ratio this tourney.
 
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UTLCA said:
1. They have a freshman PG
2. We shoot 65%, they shoot 69%, and JaJuan would be the second ft option (72%).
3. He doesnt need to; 16:1 Assist:TO ratio this tourney.
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in all fairness, that 16:1 assist:to ratio is skewed by the fact that there have been two games in the tourney and he has one turnover.

i think if bradshaw can step up and hit some shots, we have a chance to win this game and make a statement in the process.
 
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then again, i still think we WILL win this game and make a statement, take from that and my prior statements what you will
 
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1. I think Ramar is a big-time player who just keeps getting better...he really isn't a concern for me....plus, once we get the ball across halfcourt, Bradshaw handles the ball almost as much as Ramar does.

2. Free throws have been a weakness. Against UVA, Chism and Bradshaw both had trips to the line where they missed both free throws...I'd love to see us shoot 75% from the line.

3. I'm comfortable with Bradshaw not shooting the ball. He's usually getting the ball to one of our legitimate scoring options. You don't need 5 scorers on the court at the same time.

Ohio State is a fine basketball team with all the necessary talent to beat us...but I'm confident in coach Pearl's ability to get our team prepared, and I think we'll execute on Thursday night. If we can manhandle teams like Memphis and Florida, we can run with Ohio St. on a neutral court.
 
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UTLCA said:
1. They have a freshman PG
2. We shoot 65%, they shoot 69%, and JaJuan would be the second ft option (72%).
3. He doesnt need to; 16:1 Assist:TO ratio this tourney.
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I love facts and you present good ones, though since they are so much superior inside (Odem), we have to much much better in the above areas.
 
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I mean ok, he has 16:1 in his last two games...

Still, we need him to find people when Ramar can't (1 assist vs. UVA)
 
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UTLCA said:
1. They have a freshman PG
2. We shoot 65%, they shoot 69%, and JaJuan would be the second ft option (72%).
3. He doesnt need to; 16:1 Assist:TO ratio this tourney.
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This is my biggest worry because Ohio St. is a 1 seed for a reason, I realize we are even at free throw percentage but that is one of those things that we MUST capitalize on in order to win. I don't think we can shoot 65% and win this game, we need to get to the line early and often and make those shots. Also their freshman PG single handedly won them the game against Xavier. Ramar, though he is good, he hasn't taken a game over like Conley has
 
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vol731 said:
This is my biggest worry because Ohio St. is a 1 seed for a reason, I realize we are even at free throw percentage but that is one of those things that we MUST capitalize on in order to win. I don't think we can shoot 65% and win this game, we need to get to the line early and often and make those shots. Also their freshman PG single handedly won them the game against Xavier. Ramar, though he is good, he hasn't taken a game over like Conley has
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That's not his job, though. That's Lofton's job.
 
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Going back to what I just said, OSU went 18-20 at the line while we went 5-11. Thats the difference in the game. Also Jajuan, Chism and Crews combined for 12 points. While Conley and Odem combined for 40. Still we only lost by 2. If any of these things change I think we win this game
 
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The biggest difference in the two PG's game is the fact that Conley can knock down an open 3. Ramar can't.
 
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Actually, take a look at Ramar's 3 point percentage from the second half of the season and he compares very favorably to Conley.. Conley doesn't shoot many peremiter shots unless he can't penetrate or find an open man. It's Butler, Lewis, and Cook you have to worry about. Besides, we have Lofton, Jujuan, Chism, and sometimes Howell and Childress for 3 point options.
 
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Yeah but when Ramar gets a wide open look from someone down low passing out of a double team, he needs to hit the three. It happened late in the UVA game, and he missed it, then Diane (sp) came down and hit one for UVA, resulting in a 6 point swing.

Conversely, Conley hit an open 3 to open OT and the Bucks never looked back. I know he's not their threat, but the point remains that Conley is a better shooter than Ramar.
 
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That might be so, but I doubt it will have much of an impact on the game. Ramar's main purpose will be to penetrate, and to push the tempo in transition. Causing Oden to get in foul trouble, and to find us some open looks on the peremiter. And of course keeping Conley in check..(Who he has gotten the better of in previous AAU circuits.)
 
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I think it will be more of the bigs who will get Oden to foul. During the Xavier game, Lavender never took it to the hole and he is a tremdendously quick penetrator. It was Cole and Cage who got Oden to foul out.
 
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As I have said before when Dane and Tabb are in at the same time its 3 0n 5 on the offensive end. Throw in Howell and its 3.5 on 5! Dane will throw up the occasional circus shot. Tabb will drive but when they are outside you may as well go to the other end. If Lofton and J Smith get in foul trouble we will be destroyed. If not we win!!!!! But I agree FTs will be a key factor.
 
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rockydoc said:
Unlike many on this board, I was alive and watched the two great upsets in NCAA history: Villanova(an 8 seed) over the great Patrick Ewing lead Geargetown in 1985 plus the 1983 NC State upset over Houston. A hot team, that is well coached, always has a chance if they can control the tempo of the game to it's advantage.
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I understand the rest of the post but I don't understand the reasoning behind this part?
 
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Unfortunaltely, I think Chism and Childress will have to hit some immediate 3's. Odem will stay under the basket until they do. Once a couple of our bigs goes out on the perimeter and hits a couple 3's that will pull Odem out and have to cover. If we don't hit them, he'll just camp out under the net the entire game and we will have virtually no offensive rebounds. Ramar and Lofton will drive to the basket continuously to try to get Oden in foul trouble, but I actually think keeping Oden in the game and trying to tire him out by covering on the perimeter would be better than fouling him out. For some reason, I think OSU plays better when he's not in the game.
 
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VOLinthaATL said:
I understand the rest of the post but I don't understand the reasoning behind this part?
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VIA, many of the regulars on Volnation (Milo for example) were born after these games were played. The media gave 'Nova little chance against G'town and absolutely no chance that NC State could beat the Phi Slamma Jammer team of Clyde Drexler and Akeem.

My point is, the coach of the winning teams (Rollie Massimino and Jim Valvano) made the other team play at their tempo, which was a deliberate half-court pace and kept the game close until the end.

That been said, I will say that it's (unfortunately for us), more difficult for a running team to make a deliberate style team run, than for a slow tempo team make a fast tempo team play a half court game, as were the examples in 1983 and 1985.
 
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Who is this "Odem" you guys keep referencing? I looked at the OSU roster and I don't see him?
 
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