UT/UF Have Identical Records Since 2013

[junder13]

Going back to the start of the 2013 football season, both Tennessee and Florida have identical records (24-17).

UT 5-7 (2013), 7-6 (2014), 9-4 (2015), 3-0 (2016)
UF 4-8 (2013), 7-5 (2014), 10-4 (2015), 3-0 (2016)

I think it is fair to say that, in general, an AVERAGE coach would have a .500 record against a team with the same record as them. This doesn't even take into account that 3 of Florida's 24 wins over the last 3.25 seasons came against the Vols.

This is why if Tennessee wins today (which is a wonderful, glorious possibility....and I think, a likelihood), it is not proof that CBJ is the long-term solution for UT. He should have led the team to victory in at least two games of the past three plus today's game as even an average coach (i.e., splitting the four games at 2-2).

Tennessee fans have overhyped Florida since Urban left. It's only a blue blood program at the depths of despair (UT) that can rationalize away as acceptable losing to a program that is also down trodden relative to its own recent history (UF).

Winning this game today should be expected by the masses. The only reason I believe there are a lot of people who doubt whether we should win is because of a lack of respect and/or confidence in the coaching staff.

For the record, I think we'll win. But I also think we have superior talent, more experience, home field advantage, and will likely face a first-time starter (at UF anyway) at QB in Appleby. The expectation for a win is in spite of a mostly ineffective coaching staff -- one that has coached down the team to its opponent every week since the head coach has arrived.

All that said, I am rooting for the Vols and would love to see an end to a streak that is three years past due! Just don't expect me to suddenly jump on the CBJ broken-down train. GBO!

 

[ArmyVol697]

That's the best you got right before the game. Pitiful!!

 

[SolidRockGolf]

Let's find a way to downgrade CBJ again!!!

 

[GAVol]

Another sad attempt to preemptively discredit.

 

[VOL-uh-tile]

The law of averages gets messy in football, so the argument you're making is not good. This program needs consistency in the coaching staff, namely the head coach, over trying to find the next nick saban or urban meyer.

 

[junder13]

Another sad attempt to preemptively discredit.

Moderators, while free to show their fanship as avidly as the next VN poster, should be neutral in discussions related to staff. But you, GAVol, continually show your allegiance to CBJ above all else.

The difference in our thought process is I care about UT sports above the coaching staffs we have been cursed with by our AD (all four major sports are down relative to history). You choose to support unfailingly the staff in place. That's why you litter every official game thread (as well as other threads but especially game threads) with your pro-butchie boy opinion every Saturday. I'm sure we'll see your excuses and dismissals in the UT/UF game thread today.

Just bc you're a moderator on this site doesn't make your opinion more valid or right. And you're an enabler of the pro-Butch crowd if there ever was one (the ones who pledge allegiance to jones above all else, which includes you).

Why don't you go ahead and move my thread to the Pub like you did my last one. That way, a football-related discussion can hang out with the other relevant discussions like "Knoxville Restaurants Gone But Not Forgotten", big foot, and WWE. Shows your true color as a moderator (yellow).

 

[junder13]

The law of averages gets messy in football, so the argument you're making is not good. This program needs consistency in the coaching staff, namely the head coach, over trying to find the next nick saban or urban meyer.

Haha, yeah, sticking with that Dooley guy would have been ideal. Great argument.

 

[SolidRockGolf]

Moderators, while free to show their fanship as avidly as the next VN poster, should be neutral in discussions related to staff. But you, GAVol, continually show your allegiance to CBJ above all else.

The difference in our thought process is I care about UT sports above the coaching staffs we have been cursed with by our AD (all four major sports are down relative to history). You choose to support unfailingly the staff in place. That's why you litter every official game thread (as well as other threads but especially threads) with your pro-butchie boy opinion every Saturday. I'm sure we'll see your excuses and dismissals in the UT/UF game thread today.

Just bc you're a moderator on this site doesn't make your opinion more valid or right. And you're an enabler of the pro-Butch crowd if there ever was one (the ones who pledge allegiance to jones above all else, which includes you).

Why don't you go ahead and move my thread to the Pub like you did my last one. That way, a football-related discussion can hang out with the other relevant discussions like "Knoxville Restaurants Gone But Not Forgotten", big foot, and WWE. Shows your true colors as a moderator (yellow).

Does your husband like Tn as well?

 

[OrangeBlitz]

Heaven's sake...the game hasn't started yet and you're already laying the groundwork to keep bashing Butch when we win? You're squandering good negavol time.

So, take a breath and launch a rant about how 3 wins is simply not enough. Write a haiku about how Debord could never come up with a game plan to score a single point. Bemoan the fact that Shoop hasn't whipped the D into such a frenzy that they've denied opposing offenses any yards at all.

Enjoy the day while you can. I mean, after the game, such negativity will seem foolish.

 

[utvolpj]

Moderators, while free to show their fanship as avidly as the next VN poster, should be neutral in discussions related to staff.

That's absolutely not true and has never been true on VN. VN is not tied to UT and that's not the job of a mod on here. Use the contact us link at the bottom of the page to send a note to freak if you are still confused

You should quit making things up of you want to be taken seriously

 

[GAVol]

Lol... Absolute absurdity.

I'm not the UN and not affiliated with the school. I get to have an opinion.

 

[OrangeBlitz]

Moderators, while free to show their fanship as avidly as the next VN poster, should be neutral in discussions related to staff. But you, GAVol, continually show your allegiance to CBJ above all else.

Why?

I mean, it's not like he (I'm assuming here...she?) is employed by the University or a third party sports site. He (there I go again) is a volunteer. And, also, a Volunteer. If there wasn't any bias there, I'd be worried. He has every right to express his opinions freely as you do.

 

[junder13]

Heaven's sake...the game hasn't started yet and you're already laying the groundwork to keep bashing Butch when we win? You're squandering good negavol time.

So, take a breath and launch a rant about how 3 wins is simply not enough. Write a haiku about how Debord could never come up with a game plan to score a single point. Bemoan the fact that Shoop hasn't whipped the D into such a frenzy that they've denied opposing offenses any yards at all.

Enjoy the day while you can. I mean, after the game, such negativity will seem foolish.

"After the game, such negativity will seem foolish".....therein lies the rub. Beating UF does not dismiss concerns. Thus the point of my thread.

To support this opinion I've expressed, I presented a fact (UT/UF have identical records since 2013 yet we are 0-3 (and hopefully soon to be 1-3) over that time span.

No one has to agree with my post but the records are what they are and your reply is exactly why I started this thread: to establish justification for those who continue to remain in doubt on jones as the long-term coaching solution for UT football.

I made up my mind on jones after his second year and every thing I've seen since has only further solidified my opinion (my post history will reflect this). The man sandbagged his first season and has made incremental improvements each year since. Meanwhile, his exceptional early recruiting was based on sell a fairytale to elite talent (much of which was home state and/or legacy). He now does not utilize or develop that talent and his recruiting will continue to go south. He has done everything he can to lower expectations, while throwing out a slew of meaningless clichés, and has displayed all the traits of a "fake it till you make it" fraud.

He may win another year or two with the fanbase after beating UF this season. But he will not change his eventual outcome as a coach at a once-proud SEC program with a lowered expectation fanbase. Unfortunately, by the time he's finally gone, he'll have a sickeningly generous buyout clause ($10mil plus, I bet) and have a less talented roster than he would if he was given a heads up notice (behind closed doors) to look for other opportunities while finishing his final season, which is what I would do if I were AD.

 

[Behr]

Oh Lawdz.

 

[GAVol]

I have doubts too. I just don't need to minimize the games he does or will win.

 

[junder13]

That's absolutely not true and has never been true on VN. VN is not tied to UT and that's not the job of a mod on here. Use the contact us link at the bottom of the page to send a note to freak if you are still confused

You should quit making things up of you want to be taken seriously

I could care less if you (or anyone else, for that matter) take me seriously.

The tide of opinion always moves in the same direction at roughly the same time. My opinion will be unpopular until the tide of fan support moves in unison the opposite direction. I'm fine with that.

Perhaps it's not your "job" to show a neutral stance to a coaching staff, but expressing a favorable view and being "taken seriously" are sure as hell not my job either. No confusion here.

 

[junder13]

Why?

I mean, it's not like he (I'm assuming here...she?) is employed by the University or a third party sports site. He (there I go again) is a volunteer. And, also, a Volunteer. If there wasn't any bias there, I'd be worried. He has every right to express his opinions freely as you do.

There's a difference in expressing a positive opinion towards a staff and going out of one's way to suppress an opposing opinion, as GAVol constantly does (and perhaps a few other moderators, too).

His right to express his opinion should be a given, moderator or not. But his effort to suppress opposing views is not a good look for this site.

What people need to understand is that favor towards a school does not equate to favor to a coaching staff. No coach is above a program, whether they are proven but fading (Fulmer, Paterno, Beamer, Bowden) or fairly new and unproven (Bill Battle, Dooley, Jones).

 

[GAVol]

There's a difference in expressing a positive opinion towards a staff and going out of one's way to suppress an opposing opinion, as GAVol constantly does (and perhaps a few other moderators, too).

His right to express his opinion should be a given, moderator or not. But his effort to suppress opposing views is not a good look for this site.

What people need to understand is that favor towards a school does not equate to favor to a coaching staff. No coach is above a program, whether they are proven but fading (Fulmer, Paterno, Beamer, Bowden) or fairly new and unproven (Bill Battle, Dooley, Jones).

Literally 3 posts up, I just posted that I have some doubts about the coaching staff. You're conspiracy theories are goofy.

 

[junder13]

I have doubts too. I just don't need to minimize the games he does or will win.

Sure buddy. You've shown those "doubts" in all your attacking replies in the past three official game threads. You were the way you are in previous seasons, too. You think you've got a badge with that moderator status.

I look forward to your bashing of all perceived negativity in today's game thread (although I expect a win). Don't disappoint.

 

[vols4evah]

good lord our fan base is full of sad sad people

 

[Enki_Amenra]

 

[Sarms58]

By that standard, Fulmer was average and Majors was below average. Hopefully Butch can be as average as Phil.

 

[junder13]

Literally 3 posts up, I just posted that I have some doubts about the coaching staff. You're conspiracy theories are goofy.

There's only one "conspiracy theory" I subscribe to related to UT. Since you bring it up, I’ll defend my stance. The “conspiracy theory” I’ve brought up for consideration is that the UTAD, in an effort to shore up a significantly deteriorated budget during the Hamilton era (which I believe has continued into the Hart era), has put effort (perhaps resources) towards promoting coaches on the fan forums, while at the same time, minimizing negativity expressed views towards coaching staffs. It is far less expensive to put effort behind the scene in persuading a fanbase than to pay buyout clause after buyout clause of failed coaching staffs, which all coaching hires I’m aware of during the Hamilton/Hart era have either failed or remain unproven and are questionable, at best. No one has to believe this "conspiracy theory", but it is far more credible than you and others attempt to make it seem.

Irrespective, in my lifetime people will eventually realize how common "social engineering" on the internet has become in the 21st century. Governments do this at an alarming rate (Western and Eastern). It would be fairly simple to do for an underachieving athletic department with a large, vocal, and avid fanbase. It’s highly immoral (IMO) but easy to do and probably easy to justify, as well (for the greater good, kinda justification).

 

[volmanbill]

There's only one "conspiracy theory" I subscribe to related to UT. Since you bring it up, I’ll defend my stance. The “conspiracy theory” I’ve brought up for consideration is that the UTAD, in an effort to shore up a significantly deteriorated budget during the Hamilton era (which I believe has continued into the Hart era), has put effort (perhaps resources) towards promoting coaches on the fan forums, while at the same time, minimizing negativity expressed views towards coaching staffs. It is far less expensive to put effort behind the scene in persuading a fanbase than to pay buyout clause after buyout clause of failed coaching staffs, which all coaching hires I’m aware of during the Hamilton/Hart era have either failed or remain unproven and are questionable, at best. No one has to believe this "conspiracy theory", but it is far more credible than you and others attempt to make it seem.

Irrespective, in my lifetime people will eventually realize how common "social engineering" on the internet has become in the 21st century. Governments do this at an alarming rate (Western and Eastern). It would be fairly simple to do for an underachieving athletic department with a large, vocal, and avid fanbase. It’s highly immoral (IMO) but easy to do and probably easy to justify, as well (for the greater good, kinda justification).

Have you considered therapy?

 

[junder13]

By that standard, Fulmer was average and Majors was below average. Hopefully Butch can be as average as Phil.

Average or not, Fulmer was not successful against elite coaches throughout his tenure at UT. I'm sure you won't agree (as most on VN probably won't) but his record against the following coaches makes my opinion a lot more credible than you'd ever want to admit: Spurrier, Saban, Myer, Paterno, Tom Osborne, Richt.

Edit: Also, Majors was average at best as a coach. He always coached down to his opponent and was probably even more conservative than jones is today.