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#78
#78
PennVol said:
Did you not watch the South Carolina game? Or worse, the Wyoming game?
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Yes. So?

Stephens hasn't played enough to be compared to the rest on that list. If so, why isn't Tod Helton on the list?

He just hasn't logged enough hours and judging any QB based on last year's offense is a bit unfair. The offense was a disaster. Let it go.
 
#79
#79
Martin is definitely behind Shuler and Manning. All of the talent that Martin had came to Tennessee because of Heath and Peyton's run. The one game Tee had with the completions is not indicative of his passing game. He was a great competitor and leader but not in the same conversation with Shuler and Manning. I also think Heath could run as well as Tee. We can't give Crompton and BJ a grade yet. JC may be Carson Palmer this year.
 
#80
#80
utmba93 said:
Yes. So?

Stephens hasn't played enough to be compared to the rest on that list. If so, why isn't Tod Helton on the list?

He just hasn't logged enough hours and judging any QB based on last year's offense is a bit unfair. The offense was a disaster. Let it go.
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If you can grade Crompton, you can grade Stephens. And its tough to let it go with next fall on the horizon....(quick, say a prayer for BJ Coleman).
 
#81
#81
PennVol said:
If you can grade Crompton, you can grade Stephens. And its tough to let it go with next fall on the horizon....(quick, say a prayer for BJ Coleman).
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We're not going to have an A-level quarterback until we sign one next spring.

There are 10 other players on the offense that will need to step up. It's mostly a running attack for 2009 and that's our best option if we can move the chains.

We simply need the offense to play decent and mostly error-free football. If we can, somehow establish a running game, we can be competitive without a hero for a QB. That's good, because we won't have one. The offense should be led by someone on the Oline. That's where our games will be won or lost this fall.

Our defense will have to keep us in the game. They should be prepared to play 45 minutes a game. Physical conditioning over the summer for anyone on the defensive side of Vols football is of utmost importance. They need to be in iron man shape to get through the season.
 
#82
#82
utmba93 said:
Our defense will have to keep us in the game. They should be prepared to play 45 minutes a game. Physical conditioning over the summer for anyone on the defensive side of Vols football is of utmost importance. They need to be in iron man shape to get through the season.
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I disagree. The clock will be milked like an udder. A team that runs the ball a lot will take time off the clock.

Tennessee's offense is going to be boring to watch. It's going to be an overwhelming amount of run plays ( I don't consider this a bad thing). With the stable of backs that Tennessee has, they can be successful at it. There will be lots of low scoring keep away games next year.
 
#83
#83
justingroves said:
I disagree. The clock will be milked like an udder. A team that runs the ball a lot will take time off the clock.

Tennessee's offense is going to be boring to watch. It's going to be an overwhelming amount of run plays ( I don't consider this a bad thing). With the stable of backs that Tennessee has, they can be successful at it. There will be lots of low scoring keep away games next year.
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You may be right Justin. But as long as we get the "W" we don't care if it is running or whatever. Just win baby!
 
#84
#84
justingroves said:
I disagree. The clock will be milked like an udder. A team that runs the ball a lot will take time off the clock.

Tennessee's offense is going to be boring to watch. It's going to be an overwhelming amount of run plays ( I don't consider this a bad thing). With the stable of backs that Tennessee has, they can be successful at it. There will be lots of low scoring keep away games next year.
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Hi Justin. It really depends on whether or not you assume we get first downs. I want to believe... you know me, so I hope you're right and I hope we do move the chains (and run the clock). I'm just not (yet) convinced that our Oline can get the job done.
 
#85
#85
HATINGBAMAISAWAYOFLIFE said:
here is only stat or timing that matters kroach

tee martin..Natl Champion
Ainge...none
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I actually disagree with this statement. I don't disagree that Martin was better than Ainge. But championships is not a proper barometer for gauging quarterbacks. Using such logic would lead to the conclusion that Trent Dilfer was a better quarterback than Dan Marino.
 
#87
#87
kidbourbon said:
I actually disagree with this statement. I don't disagree that Martin was better than Ainge. But championships is not a proper barometer for gauging quarterbacks. Using such logic would lead to the conclusion that Trent Dilfer was a better quarterback than Dan Marino.
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Agreed. Ainge would not have fit on the '98 team, but he was a better pure passer.
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#88
#88
PennVol said:
Agreed. Ainge would not have fit on the '98 team, but he was a better pure passer.
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Yeh.. but a big part of the 1998 team was Tee's leadership. He has a heart of a champion and that elevated play around him. Ainge didn't have that effect on his teammates.
 
#90
#90
utmba93 said:
Yeh.. but a big part of the 1998 team was Tee's leadership. He has a heart of a champion and that elevated play around him. Ainge didn't have that effect on his teammates.
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Agreed, I love Tee Martin. I'm just saying Ainge was a different type of talent.
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#91
#91
Tee did win a NC. That's something none of the others could pull off. He was an excellent manager of the offense. He still got the consecutive completion record against S. Carolina like 21 in a row or something. Plus, he could tuck it and get positive yards.
 
#92
#92
PennVol said:
Agreed, I love Tee Martin. I'm just saying Ainge was a different type of talent.
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They were both 5th round picks, so talent wise they weren't that far apart. Tee could play the game and had a much better feel for field. I'd have to give Tee the nod over Ainge.

On a side note... Tee's also exactly what the current squad needs... a solid, dependable leader who is a fighter and can work his way out of adversity. Incidentally, leadership skills may actually be what's best about your current QB favorite (BJ).
 
#93
#93
thebjd said:
Martin is definitely behind Shuler and Manning. All of the talent that Martin had came to Tennessee because of Heath and Peyton's run. The one game Tee had with the completions is not indicative of his passing game. He was a great competitor and leader but not in the same conversation with Shuler and Manning. I also think Heath could run as well as Tee. We can't give Crompton and BJ a grade yet. JC may be Carson Palmer this year.
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If your thinking is correct, then after Tee won the NC, Ainges and Clausen should have been set with even better talent. Tee managed the game better than any of the QB's since Holloway probably. Hell add grades to Kelly, and Crockrell too.
 
#94
#94
s1216 said:
Nothing against Tee, but Jay Barker was lousy and led an Alabama offense that was 80th in total offense to a NC. The argument does not stand up. Does every player on that team qualify as best ever at their position?
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Jay Barker is held with the same reverence in Alabama as Tee is in Tennessee. Neither of them is the main reason their teams won a NC, but the QB is the face of the team.
 
#95
#95
HonoluluVol said:
Tee did win a NC. That's something none of the others could pull off. He was an excellent manager of the offense. He still got the consecutive completion record against S. Carolina like 21 in a row or something. Plus, he could tuck it and get positive yards.
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That was amazing! Thanks for the reminder. Weren't part of those in a different game, though?

Wikipedia has this one...
Against South Carolina Martin completed his first 23 passes. Combined with a completion the previous week against Alabama, Martin's string of 24 completions set the new record.
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#96
#96
kidbourbon said:
I actually disagree with this statement. I don't disagree that Martin was better than Ainge. But championships is not a proper barometer for gauging quarterbacks. Using such logic would lead to the conclusion that Trent Dilfer was a better quarterback than Dan Marino.
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Bingo. But leave logic out of this.:salute:
 
#97
#97
KoachKrab127 said:
Give the UT QBs grades, dating back to the Heath Shuler days.

Shuler: A
Peyton: A
Martin: B+
Clausen: B+
Rick Clausen: C
Ainge: A-
Crompton: F
Stephens: D+

I know most of you probably think that Ainge rated too high, but he put up great numbers his Jr. and Sr. year. We had our 2 worst defenses of the decade in 2006 and 2007, so that's not Ainge's fault. Clausen always had great defenses, and Ainge didn't. I know he had a few bad games (like the SEC championship), but I still believe he's been the best QB on our team since Peyton. Tee Martin was great, but had so much more help around him. Also, remember, we had ZERO RBs in 2006. What Ainge was able to do with no running game that year was just short of amazing.
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Ainge is a C.
 
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