UT NIL Football Commitment

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Delmar said:
So then the NIL contracts are not just private contracts? There are some that the university will control. I thought the $20.5 million revenue sharing was just a payday for the players. Didn’t realize they were going to have to do anything for it other than play for pay. Of course they probably won’t have to do a lot of publicity work (wink, wink). Call me cynical.
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I'm unsure what the school will require but essentially this is revenue sharing/pay for play under the guise of NIL. The revenue sharing aspect, I think, is an attempt to prevent future lawsuits related to schools not compensating players basically as employees, but the schools really hate using that term hence the "school NIL" name.

Let's face it, if you're sharing revenue you make from guys playing football for your team, you're essentially employing them to play football but that rabbit hole has been discussed here a lot. Employee status is a minefield the NCAA doesn't want.

The other NIL deals are supposed to be vetted by the College Sports Commission which TN and other states are trying kill. Basically, they want no part of the lawsuits when NIL deals are deemed "not acceptable."
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
I'm unsure what the school will require but essentially this is revenue sharing/pay for play under the guise of NIL. The revenue sharing aspect, I think, is an attempt to prevent future lawsuits related to schools not compensating players basically as employees, but the schools really hate using that term hence the "school NIL" name.

Let's face it, if you're sharing revenue you make from guys playing football for your team, you're essentially employing them to play football but that rabbit hole has been discussed here a lot. Employee status is a minefield the NCAA doesn't want.

The other NIL deals are supposed to be vetted by the College Sports Commission which TN and other states are trying kill. Basically, they want no part of the lawsuits when NIL deals are deemed "not acceptable."
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Like I said, NIL (wink, wink). It’s all a big joke thinking the original NIL deals aren’t anything but pay for play to a specific school.

But are the deals with the collectives really all that “private”? I’ve always asked a simple question. If a collective like Spyre wasn’t getting direction from UT, how did Spyre know who to offer? Don’t think they were just pulling prospects out of the air and signing them to deals.
 
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Cobb-Webb 1989 said:
Does anyone know how much money that UT pays (in football), against schools like Ohio State LSU?

Thanks.
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We are somewhere between #1 Ohio State and #2 Indiana.
And higher than Vanderbilt.
And don't you think coaches buy-outs affect NIL? Tapping the same donors for buy-outs and players, they will eventually "tap out".
I guess my point is good coaching and a stable coaching staff can make up for a lot of NIL.
 
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Delmar said:
Like I said, NIL (wink, wink). It’s all a big joke thinking the original NIL deals aren’t anything but pay for play to a specific school.

But are the deals with the collectives really all that “private”? I’ve always asked a simple question. If a collective like Spyre wasn’t getting direction from UT, how did Spyre know who to offer? Don’t think they were just pulling prospects out of the air and signing them to deals.
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Oh yeah, it's all a scam and the school is calling the shots all of the time. Spyre isn't sending out NIL offers in the dark to guys they think we might want.

It's more open bag men now, really, and the money is increased because of the relative transparency of everyone knowing money is changing hands. Players can somewhat openly tell a coach that "GA is offering me XXX" so a bidding war drives up their market value.
 
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agent|orange said:
Spyre certainly *was* when NIL first started popping up - is it still though?

247 listed Spyre as the #10 NIL at $15mil annual funding before the CSC approval requirements hit this year. That's behind Texas, OSU, LSU, UGA, A&M, Michigan, Alabama, Florida and Clemson. However, TBF, the gap between us and Bama (who is #7) is less than 1mil.
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We made the worst NIL deal in history with Nico and I think we are still reeling from that. UT and Spyre seemed like geniuses at the time. Even took on the wrath of the NCAA.
But in hindsight if you sign a kid to a front-loaded contract with no guarantees that the kid will stick around, you made a bad deal.
 
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Orange Navy said:
We made the worst NIL deal in history with Nico and I think we are still reeling from that. UT and Spyre seemed like geniuses at the time. Even took on the wrath of the NCAA.
But in hindsight if you sign a kid to a front-loaded contract with no guarantees that the kid will stick around, you made a bad deal.
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To be fair, every team in the nation would have signed Nico. He fooled a bunch of people. One would think people would be more careful but I’m fairly certain that Nico won’t be the last overrated prospect that gets a bunch of money and craps out.
 
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Delmar said:
To be fair, every team in the nation would have signed Nico. He fooled a bunch of people. One would think people would be more careful but I’m fairly certain that Nico won’t be the last overrated prospect that gets a bunch of money and craps out.
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I agree. We looked like geniuses at the time. But until someone figures out how to do a binding 4 year deal, I don't think any team will make a deal like that again.

Do you think that hurt us? I know Joey was better than Nico, but...
1. NIL $ allocated to Nico that could have gone to other players.
2. Donors holding back because the last big contribution they made was wasted.
3. Whole team affected by QB (aka team leader) always concerned about his NIL deal.
 
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Orange Navy said:
I agree. We looked like geniuses at the time. But until someone figures out how to do a binding 4 year deal, I don't think any team will make a deal like that again.

Do you think that hurt us? I know Joey was better than Nico, but...
1. NIL $ allocated to Nico that could have gone to other players.
2. Donors holding back because the last big contribution they made was wasted.
3. Whole team affected by QB (aka team leader) always concerned about his NIL deal.
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All probably true and those are problems every school is going to have in this new world order. It’s certainly not an exact science when it comes to evaluating high school “prospects”. That’s why the transfer portal is so popular. You get to evaluate performance against college competition and not Class A ball in high school.

And the only way I can see any sort of binding contract is if they classify the players as “employees” and so far, that’s a non-starter.
 
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Delmar said:
To be fair, every team in the nation would have signed Nico. He fooled a bunch of people. One would think people would be more careful but I’m fairly certain that Nico won’t be the last overrated prospect that gets a bunch of money and craps out.
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Yeah, there will always be players that are a bust.

Feel like it’s going to be a lot harder to track down a (younger) player’s money, compared to what we knew about Nico’s public contract.
 
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J C Higgins said:
This shows NIL per player for the highest paid rosters. According to this Oregon pays the most per player. I assume this means the average of every player on the roster.


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Thanks.

I guess that means what the school’s average is before the other NIL money per player kicks in.

lol
Sure does not mean that the Nike dude does not pay more on that end.
 
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Orange Navy said:
i guess my point is Coaching and Management (AD or GM) still matter...

Ohio State great results with mucho NIL
Texas mediocre results with huge NIL
LSU crappy results with huge NIL
Indiana great results with less NIL
Vandy similar to IU, to a lesser extent
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Vandy probably has a lot more NIL then Indiana. They have it and they are spending it,,, how they flipped that QB from Georgia.. they likely have more billionaires than Tennessee and if they get a siginificant number involved, Vandy can get some players..
 
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Cobb-Webb 1989 said:
Thanks.

I guess that means what the school’s average is before the other NIL money per player kicks in.

lol
Sure does not mean that the Nike dude does not pay more on that end.
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Not sure what it means and certainly some numbers don't make sense with TAM paying about 1/4 what Oregon pays and about 1/2 of what UT pays. There may be 2 kinds of NIL payments. Just don't know. But this does confirm what some coaches have said....that is that Oregon pays the most...or at least they aren't going to be outbid if they want a specific player bad enough.
 
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Kiner57 said:
MLB has an antitrust exemption, however the NFL does not and is subject to antitrust laws.
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The NFL and other pro sports enjoy what is called a "non statutory exemption" (I did look up the exact name) which is basically an exemption because they collective bargain with the players union and the two parties agree on that method for handling things.

Short of players being employees and unionized, college athletics cannot enjoy that "loophole" to Antitrust Law.
 
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J C Higgins said:
Not sure what it means and certainly some numbers don't make sense with TAM paying about 1/4 what Oregon pays and about 1/2 of what UT pays. There may be 2 kinds of NIL payments. Just don't know. But this does confirm what some coaches have said....that is that Oregon pays the most...or at least they aren't going to be outbid if they want a specific player bad enough.
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Your previous post with the link, really hits on the basis of this thread.

At least UT is inside that top ten.
 
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LWSVOL said:
Vandy probably has a lot more NIL then Indiana. They have it and they are spending it,,, how they flipped that QB from Georgia.. they likely have more billionaires than Tennessee and if they get a siginificant number involved, Vandy can get some players..
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Didn’t Mark Cuban go to Indiana?
 
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LWSVOL said:
Vandy probably has a lot more NIL then Indiana. They have it and they are spending it,,, how they flipped that QB from Georgia.. they likely have more billionaires than Tennessee and if they get a siginificant number involved, Vandy can get some players..
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Hey LWS, appreciate your take but it's hard to understand how a school that has a run down stadium and no fans could have more money than a team that charges $1000 for a ticket. Speaking from personal experience, after paying $400 to sit in the nose bleeds for Georgia and OU games.
 
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Kiner57 said:
MLB has an antitrust exemption, however the NFL does not and is subject to antitrust laws.
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I like the the NHL’s terms, it’s a hard cap per year.

But things need to be fixed on a hurt player sitting out before the trade deadline, and then letting that same player be able to play during the playoff, which could put that team above the hard cap.
 
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kcvols1 said:
Didn’t Mark Cuban go to Indiana?
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Yes, but just because a person graduated from a school and becomes a billionaire doesn't mean he or she will give any to the school and certainly not the athletic program. Like I said before if Harvard alums wanted to buy the best team in the country they probably could because of the massive amount of alumni money. I'm pretty sure there is one UT billionaire alum that doesn't give much or anything to the athletic department. And I know for a fact that some Stanford billionaire alums that give to the school but none to the athletic department.
 
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They want to cap/control what the players can make but have unlimited earnings for head coaches, athletics director, assistant athletics director, offensive coordinators, general managers , position coaches, ad nauseum . See where I am going ?

Like during the days of “amateur “ college sports . The only amateurs were the players.
 
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J C Higgins said:
Yes, but just because a person graduated from a school and becomes a billionaire doesn't mean he or she will give any to the school and certainly not the athletic program. Like I said before if Harvard alums wanted to buy the best team in the country they probably could because of the massive amount of alumni money. I'm pretty sure there is one UT billionaire alum that doesn't give much or anything to the athletic department. And I know for a fact that some Stanford billionaire alums that give to the school but none to the athletic department.
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This! I did hear Mark Cuban contributes NIL to the Dallas Mavericks. Maybe just a rumor.
 
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J C Higgins said:
Yes, but just because a person graduated from a school and becomes a billionaire doesn't mean he or she will give any to the school and certainly not the athletic program. Like I said before if Harvard alums wanted to buy the best team in the country they probably could because of the massive amount of alumni money. I'm pretty sure there is one UT billionaire alum that doesn't give much or anything to the athletic department. And I know for a fact that some Stanford billionaire alums that give to the school but none to the athletic department.
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Shoulda googled before I asked…

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