UT has 3 top ten recruiting classes in the last 4 years

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sjt18 said:
The 2008 class on paper was the worst of the 4... in reality it will have as many if not more real contributors than the 2007 class.
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Who contributes, or will contribute, other than Douglas? Hughes and Walls didn't qualify in '08. The '07 class had Gerald Jones, Moore, Martin, Walker, Evans and probably some others I can't think of at the moment.
 
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ole_orange said:
Yet somehow UCLA beat our 'top ten" talent two years in a row.

I still cannot for the life of me figure out how they won both of those games. :banghead:
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If we had a qb we wasn't leading the d with his eyes we'd have won both. Crompton only got ok during the auburn game and on.
 
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vols-1 said:
Crompton!
I remember in '08 when UCLA's second string QB went down a week before the game so they started their third string QB Kevin Craft who set a record with four first half interceptions. That’s the equivalent of losing to Jim Bob Cooter!
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Recruiting is important; coaching and motivating and putting players in a position to WIN are HUGE!
 
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Why everybody blaming FULMER when they should be blaming Cutcliffe he the one that left our offense and then hired clawson to come in to turn our offense around but that didn't work tired of ppl downing Fulmer he was everything to Tennessee like PAT Summit the was college players for TENN and coaches so stop the Fulmer hating,haters
 
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That's great news!!! Dooley's roster should be fully stocked for a deep SEC run the next 2-3 years!!!
 
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Tredogglovevols said:
Why everybody blaming FULMER when they should be blaming Cutcliffe he the one that left our offense and then hired clawson to come in to turn our offense around but that didn't work tired of ppl downing Fulmer he was everything to Tennessee like PAT Summit the was college players for TENN and coaches so stop the Fulmer hating,haters
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Yeah. How dare Cutcliffe take a head coaching job instead of attaching himself to Failmer for the rest of his career?

It seems that the Failmerites' #1 excuse for the '08 debacle is Clawson. Well, who made the decision to hire him if he's so incompetent? Oh, and between Fulmer and Clawson, remind me which one has a job now.
 
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Tredogglovevols said:
Why everybody blaming FULMER when they should be blaming Cutcliffe he the one that left our offense and then hired clawson to come in to turn our offense around but that didn't work tired of ppl downing Fulmer he was everything to Tennessee like PAT Summit the was college players for TENN and coaches so stop the Fulmer hating,haters
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I think the players lost confidence in Fulmer and that translated to clawson.I agree Coach Fulmer should be celebrated for all he brought to the program but as most, I agreed with the change.I regret that we hired a scumbag to replace him but I think we got it right this time
 
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LWSVOL said:
2007 Rivals # 3 - Signed 32 / Left 14
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No matter how many times I see this stat, it completely blows my mind. There's a supreme failure in the premise of this thread.
 
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oklavol said:
I don't think the talent drop is as bad as it is portrayed. UT has done well recruiting most of the last 4 years.

2010: #9
2009: #10
2008: #35
2007: #3

Yahoo Sports: Rivals.com 2010 Team Recruiting Rankings

2006 was #23 but not that many redshirt players.
On paper I think you would have to say we definitely have the talent to field a top 25 team.
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Good grief this canard has been totally debunked in previous posts. The 2007 class outside of Berry and a couple of others has been a bust. 2008 was a disaster and the best prospect in that class was promptly booted. Too early to tell on 2009 but one 5 start and a top CB have already been dismissed which would drop that class out of the top 10 if regraded.

Our talent is down, way down relative to the top 4-5 teams in the SEC. A simple look at our offensive and defensive lines is all you need to do to realize this.

Pretending otherwise is just fuel to make you angry because we didn't finish with 10 wins and beat UF or UA.

News flash...we better recruit better then the last two years over the next two years to get this team back into the mix.
 
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This team that CDD inherited is in the bottom half of the SEC talent wise. Lets see what coach can do to get them ready. Next years schedule is the toughest in recent memory. 8-4 would be a great accomplishment for this staff with this roster.

Go Vols.
 
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So out of those star studded 07 and 08 classes how many 4 stars do we still have left on our roster to be the talented senior/ junior leaders for our SEC championship run!?!?

Let's name them...may take a while since there is soo many!

5 ATH Gerald Jones JR
2 SDE Ben Martin JR
NR ILB Gerald Williams R/JR
5 TE Aaron Douglas R/FR

Yaaay! We are going to dominate because we have so much SEC experienced talent!!!
 
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People should respect Fulmer for all of his accomplishments. With that being said the man made 6mil his last year here at UT. For 6 mil I expect better results. Fulmer got complacent which means he got lazy.......end of story.....When you are the head coach the buck stops there. It was his team and he should have made better personel decisions as far as players and coaching. And yes he let us slip into the low bottom half of the sec. If you want to be a head coach you have to accept all the responsibilities because they are ultimately your decision.
 
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santa fe vol said:
Way to be optimistic, man do I love people that judge a coaching staff before they ever coach a game.
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If one questions whether or not this is a good coaching staff that is being judgmental. On the other hand, isn't having a blind faith in their ability judgmental as well?

At this point, there just happens to be more evidence to suggest questioning than there is to simply take the leap of faith in judgment that you and your ilk deem warranted.

Besides... mine was a question. You guessed (judged) my perspective correctly, so I hope your blind leap is correct as well.
 
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santa fe vol said:
Way to be optimistic, man do I love people that judge a coaching staff before they ever coach a game.
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Again, as I've asked in other threads, please show me concrete proof, in the form of precedent, that a coach can come to the SEC essentially as a failure (losing record as a coach prior to taking the job) and then win the SEC. As best as my digging has found, it has never been done in the past 30 years or so. That is the source of my personal skepticism.
 
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bleedorange0037 said:
Again, as I've asked in other threads, please show me concrete proof, in the form of precedent, that a coach can come to the SEC essentially as a failure (losing record as a coach prior to taking the job) and then win the SEC. As best as my digging has found, it has never been done in the past 30 years or so. That is the source of my personal skepticism.
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Are you just asking for a coach that had a losing record prior to getting to the SEC and then won the conference championship? If so, I present to you:

Bill Curry was 31–43–4 at GT and then won the SEC title in 1989 in a three-way tie.
 
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triadvolfan said:
Are you just asking for a coach that had a losing record prior to getting to the SEC and then won the conference championship? If so, I present to you:

Bill Curry was 31–43–4 at GT and then won the SEC title in 1989 in a three-way tie.
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Stallings too. 27-45-1 at Texas A&M and then ran the table and won a national title in 1992.

That's two examples, and considering that in the last 30 years there haven't been that many different coaches to win the SEC title (maybe 20, probably more like 15) that's not bad. Also, consider some of the SEC championship coaches such as Richt and Fulmer were never full-time head coaches prior to taking over at an SEC school so there is no record to check.
 
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Good call triad, I suppose I stand corrected. I completely forgot about Bill Curry, and guess I forgot to check on Stallings. I checked pretty much every other coach for every other SEC team though
 
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bleedorange0037 said:
Good call triad, I suppose I stand corrected. I completely forgot about Bill Curry, and guess I forgot to check on Stallings. I checked pretty much every other coach for every other SEC team though
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But do you feel any better about Dooley? Comparisons to Curry don't exactly scream 'this guy's a winner' and comparisons to Stallings tend to scream 'this guy's a cheater'.

I'm still optimistic but I can definitely understand people's doubts. 17-20 hc record deserves questioning.
 
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triadvolfan said:
But do you feel any better about Dooley? Comparisons to Curry don't exactly scream 'this guy's a winner' and comparisons to Stallings tend to scream 'this guy's a cheater'.

I'm still optimistic but I can definitely understand people's doubts. 17-20 hc record deserves questioning.
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:lolabove:

I don't really know. At least it has been done before. I think the reason I overlooked Curry is I knew UT had won the SEC in '89, but forgot they were only co-champions, and forgot to look at the other half of that championship.
 
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When looking at what we have on the roster at this point, it appears to me that with some good coaching and player development we should be able to field a team that can compete with everyone on the schedule except maybe Oregon, Florida, and Bama. LSU & UGA could also be tough, but we should get at least one of them. We have a talent advantage over everyone else on the schedule, but developing depth on both lines will be essential.

One thing that stood out about the past recruiting classes was that from '07 to '09 we only signed 2 four-star OLs and 2 four-star DTs. Of those, three either left the program or never got in. The other is J. Schofield, who will hopefully will at least provide depth this season.

Fortunately, these are the two positions where recruiting evaluations mean significantly less than work ethic and good coaching. Often, 3-star linemen enter a program under-sized and out of shape; but through good coaching and a strong streghth & conditioning program, end up becoming all-conference players.
 
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