UT gets warning to protect Jews

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EasternVol said:
First charter
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The one that said that the entire land is Islam Waqj forever and not a single piece can be given up, so jihad becomes the heart of every Muslim until it's liberated? And where article 31 says that it can only be ruled by Muslims, but they'll let others live there if they submit?

As opposed to the later one where they clarified that there will never be a two-state peace?
 
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EasternVol said:
First charter
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Ahhh yes the charter that has this in it

The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (evidently a certain kind of tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews.
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Orange_Crush said:
The one that said that the entire land is Islam Waqj forever and not a single piece can be given up, so jihad becomes the heart of every Muslim until it's liberated? And where article 31 says that it can only be ruled by Muslims, but they'll let others live there if they submit?

As opposed to the later one where they clarified that there will never be a two-state peace?
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Do you have a point?
 
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Smokey123 said:
Ahhh yes the charter that has this in it
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And this acceptance of a two-state solution:

Article Six:

The Islamic Resistance Movement is a distinguished Palestinian movement, whose allegiance is to Allah, and whose way of life is Islam. It strives to raise the banner of Allah over every inch of Palestine, for under the wing of Islam followers of all religions can coexist in security and safety where their lives, possessions and rights are concerned. In the absence of Islam, strife will be rife, oppression spreads, evil prevails and schisms and wars will break out.
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Smokey123 said:
That clause mentions nothing about Jews living in Palestine
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An excerpt:
Under the wing of Islam, it is possible for the followers of the three religions - Islam, Christianity and Judaism - to coexist in peace and quiet with each other. Peace and quiet would not be possible except under the wing of Islam. Past and present history are the best witness to that.
And it goes on and on about the supremacy of Islam and the like. You can read the whole file:
 
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EasternVol said:
An excerpt:
Under the wing of Islam, it is possible for the followers of the three religions - Islam, Christianity and Judaism - to coexist in peace and quiet with each other. Peace and quiet would not be possible except under the wing of Islam. Past and present history are the best witness to that.
And it goes on and on about the supremacy of Islam and the like. You can read the whole file:
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I’ve read it plenty of times. Nowhere in that article did it state Jews can live freely in Palestine. It says they can coexist under Islam's wing and said look at the past and present history to witness that. You think Jews living under Islamic ruling have lived in peace?

Even if it did state they can live in Palestine(it doesn’t) it contradicts itself by saying kill the Jews other parts of the charter
 
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Smokey123 said:
I’ve read it plenty of times. Nowhere in that article did it state Jews can live freely in Palestine. It says they can coexist under Islam's wing and said look at the past and present history to witness that. You think Jews living under Islamic ruling have lived in peace?

Even if it did state they can live in Palestine(it doesn’t) it contradicts itself by saying kill the Jews other parts of the charter
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That wasn't what you said before, but nevermind. It says what it says. I didn't say it said anything different.
At times they have lived in peace under Muslim rule and at times they haven't.
Taking the document as a whole, it does say Jews can live in Palestine. Where else would they mean?
I don't remember a call in the document to kill Jews but I may have overlooked it. There is a scriptural excerpt describing end times, which may be what you mean.
We're well away from the thread subject. Maybe it would be better to move the conversation to the other thread.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
It reads basically as a distinction with little meaning, likely for global perception cover.



"I don't kick dogs because they're dogs. I kick dogs because they bark."

"We don't target Jews because of their religion. We target Jews because they are Zionists. Note that their definition of a "Zionist" is larger than just "Israel". It's anyone who support's Israel's right to be in Israel.



Supposedly, this would include anyone (any Jew) outside of Israel that supports Israel's existence, thus the accusations of genocidal aims.
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being a Zionist can go well beyond 'Israel's right to be Israel". as always one person's, or group's, rights stop where another's start. Zionism doesn't really follow that ideology.

there are a lot of different groups of Zionist, and you are probably choosing the most friendly version out there.

there are multiple sects of Zionist who believe in the military expansion of lands held by Jews. some who believe in forced conversion, or various methods of enforcing a Jewish majority some of which get down right into eugenics. heck there are some Zionists who don't recognize Jews outside of Israel as real Jews, and/or think they have mental problems.

even in the more PC versions you have examples that go far beyond "Israel's right to be Israel". There is the desire for labor, work, and production to be 100% Jewish, banning anything outside of work by Jews or at least according to their religious laws. There is the forced displacement practice. denying non-Jews voting rights or real representation.
 
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LouderVol said:
being a Zionist can go well beyond 'Israel's right to be Israel". as always one person's, or group's, rights stop where another's start. Zionism doesn't really follow that ideology.

there are a lot of different groups of Zionist, and you are probably choosing the most friendly version out there.

there are multiple sects of Zionist who believe in the military expansion of lands held by Jews. some who believe in forced conversion, or various methods of enforcing a Jewish majority some of which get down right into eugenics. heck there are some Zionists who don't recognize Jews outside of Israel as real Jews, and/or think they have mental problems.

even in the more PC versions you have examples that go far beyond "Israel's right to be Israel". There is the desire for labor, work, and production to be 100% Jewish, banning anything outside of work by Jews or at least according to their religious laws. There is the forced displacement practice. denying non-Jews voting rights or real representation.
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There’s extreme (some of which the extreme is the majority) examples of every race, religion, political party, ect. Zionism is still the pursuit of an independent Jewish state
 
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Smokey123 said:
There’s extreme (some of which the extreme is the majority) examples of every race, religion, political party, ect. Zionism is still the pursuit of an independent Jewish state
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but its not limited to that. and its certainly not limited to members who want to achieve that peacefully or in a manner that avoids stepping on other people.

both sides are pointing out the worst in the other side, while ignoring their own extremists. Netanyahu is definitely not one of those zionists who just wants to be left alone.
 
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LouderVol said:
but its not limited to that. and its certainly not limited to members who want to achieve that peacefully or in a manner that avoids stepping on other people.

both sides are pointing out the worst in the other side, while ignoring their own extremists. Netanyahu is definitely not one of those zionists who just wants to be left alone.
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You know the old saying…..well maybe not…… but in my circles it’s said that “where there are 2 Jews there are 3-5 opinions “
The Zionist who want to be left alone have that opinion on a part time basis
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
You know the old saying…..well maybe not…… but in my circles it’s said that “where there are 2 Jews there are 3-5 opinions “
The Zionist who want to be left alone have that opinion on a part time basis
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And how do you feel about that right now?

How about tomorrow morning?

Afternoon?
 
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