UT fans know why Florida won't win title...

#51
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mbushnell said:
Doesn't seem laughable to me. They spanked quality opponents from major conferences. Like they say, this is why they play the games.
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So because Utah beat a Bama team that didn't even win their conference, Utah deserves national title consideration because they beat a quality opponent?
 
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johnnylongball said:
Wrong again. The BCS determines the BCS champion, not the National Championship.
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"The Bowl Championship Series (BCS) is a five-game arrangement for post-season college football that is designed to match the two top-rated teams in a national championship game and to create exciting and competitive matchups between eight other highly regarded teams in four other games.

The bowl games participating are the Tostitos Fiesta Bowl, FedEx Orange Bowl, Rose Bowl, Allstate Sugar Bowl and the BCS National Championship Game, which will be played each year at one of the bowl sites."

CFB - - FOX Sports on MSN
 
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JZVOL said:
So because Utah beat a Bama team that didn't even win their conference, Utah deserves national title consideration because they beat a quality opponent?
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Utah has had two undefeated seasons in the past few years. I am all for letting them line it up in the big game and seeing what happens. If they get smoked, then you know they aren't up to snuff. But what if they actually won? The BCS is afraid of this scenario. Deadly afraid.
 
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mbushnell said:
Utah has had two undefeated seasons in the past few years. I am all for letting them line it up in the big game and seeing what happens. If they get smoked, then you know they aren't up to snuff. But what if they actually won? The BCS is afraid of this scenario. Deadly afraid.
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Why do they deserve to be in the national title game simply because they win the Mountain West unscathed?
 
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#56
I'm all for a playoff and letting Utah in and seeing what happens, but given their conference, they don't deserve to be in the national title game.

They need to join a big boy conference if they want to play with the big boys.
 
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JZVOL said:
Why do they deserve to be in the national title game simply because they win the Mountain West unscathed?
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If you want to truly have the two best teams in the country playing for the national championship, then having a team that has won two BCS bowls (very handily I might add, and more than UT has won) while going undefeated both times should surely qualify you to play in the big game. If they were to go undefeated this year and not get a shot it would be a shame.
 
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#59
Somebody is gonna put this on a Florida board, I better tell my editors to get ready for the e-mails! Haha
 
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mbushnell said:
If you want to truly have the two best teams in the country playing for the national championship, then having a team that has won two BCS bowls (very handily I might add, and more than UT has won) while going undefeated both times should surely qualify you to play in the big game. If they were to go undefeated this year and not get a shot it would be a shame.
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How is not losing a game playing a MWC schedule impressive?

Also if it were the same players I could see your point, but Urban's team has nothing to do with last year's team.

and you are telling me because they beat a very average Pitt team in the Fiesta Bowl four years ago and a Bama team that didn't win it's conference they deserve a chance to play for a national title over a one loss school that play in a much much tougher conference?
 
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VolDad said:
"The Bowl Championship Series (BCS) is a five-game arrangement for post-season college football that is designed to match the two top-rated teams in a national championship game and to create exciting and competitive matchups between eight other highly regarded teams in four other games.

The bowl games participating are the Tostitos Fiesta Bowl, FedEx Orange Bowl, Rose Bowl, Allstate Sugar Bowl and the BCS National Championship Game, which will be played each year at one of the bowl sites."

CFB - - FOX Sports on MSN
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The BCS might be DESIGNED to match the two top-rated teams. Doesn't mean they always get it right. I agree with the point that the game does decide the BCS National Championship (whatever contrived corporate abomination that is), but it does NOT decide the MNC.

I'm glad at least one true Vol fan on here can see through this BCS garbage and agree with me. Thanks Bushnell. As far as you, voldad, I'm thinking we should check your wardrobe for jorts.
 
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#62
I would certainly concur that it would be better if we had a playoff. But we don't.

And so while you can argue that other teams are deserving of some sort of a shot at the national title game, I don't think that anyone can with straight face argue that Florida did not deserve a shot and it made the most of those opportunities.

The weakest of those was the 2006 year, obviously. For one thing, Florida got lucky about several times to eek out narrow wins against average competition, even in the SEC. For another, there were a couple of teams with legit claims to being in the title game vs. tOSU, including Penn State and USC.

I recall the debate over whether Florida deserved to take on tOSU. Luckily, they did and whallopped them, which took away some of the argument that Florida did not deserve its shot that year.

Last year seemed more convincing, overall.
 
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lawgator1 said:
We get your gimmick, man. Its weak, but we get it.
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Weak, in your opinion. And we know how well-informed your opinion is. A few minutes ago, you weren't even aware there was an undefeated team last year.

I suspect you are like many Gators fans that think the Gators invented college football even though you didn't win a conference championship until the 90s.
 
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JZVOL said:
How is not losing a game playing a MWC schedule impressive?

Also if it were the same players I could see your point, but Urban's team has nothing to do with last year's team.

and you are telling me because they beat a very average Pitt team in the Fiesta Bowl four years ago and a Bama team that didn't win it's conference they deserve a chance to play for a national title over a one loss school that play in a much much tougher conference?
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I simply believe that it is possible that they might be one of the two best teams in the country, regardless of schedule. It does matter that Urban's team went undefeated at Utah because it proves that their program is top notch. Its not up to me to decide who plays in the NC game, but I would like to see a team like Boise or Utah get a shot at playing for the big prize. They get it in baseball and basketball so football should be no different.
 
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#65
I'm gonna get us off this BCS debate and back onto Griff's article.

I think that the 2009 Gators are more similar to the 2002 Miami and 2005 USC teams. All 3 won the national championship the year before, all 3 were loaded the year they won it and all 3 were/are loaded the next year and ranked #1 in the preseason.

Question is...if the Gators go undefeated in the regular season just like 2002 Miami and 2005 USC, will the Gators choke in the BCS championship game just like the 2 previous teams???
 
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AFL2008 said:
Plus, Tennessee was not a "dominant" team in 1998. Some of those wins were extremely close and maybe even "lucky." Some of those close wins went the other way in 1999.
Florida in 2008 was a dominant team. Most of the games weren't even close.

See what I'm trying to say?
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I see, but how can you call a one loss team "dominant" and an undefeated team "not dominant?"
 
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Writer32 said:
Talked to Saban in Ft. Lauderdale last year, he said Bama would have rather played Utah again than Ole Miss.

Said his team was flat.

College football does have a playoff, it's called the "regular season"
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Tell that to Auburn 2004. They didn't lose a game and still didn't win the National Championship and played in the SEC.

The "regular season is a playoff" nonsense is laughable.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
Tell that to Auburn 2004. They didn't lose a game and still didn't win the National Championship and played in the SEC.

The "regular season is a playoff" nonsense is laughable.
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You're right on the money, but get ready for an idiotic retort about "strength of schedule" and about how Auburn's wasn't tough enough, even thougt they beat #13 Tenn twice, #6 UGA, #10 Va Tech, and #16 LSU.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
Tell that to Auburn 2004. They didn't lose a game and still didn't win the National Championship and played in the SEC.

The "regular season is a playoff" nonsense is laughable.
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KoachKrab127 said:
You're right on the money, but get ready for an idiotic retort about "strength of schedule" and about how Auburn's wasn't tough enough, even thougt they beat #13 Tenn twice, #6 UGA, #10 Va Tech, and #16 LSU.
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The situation with the '04 Auburn team was probably the clearest cut example/argument for why the current system can in any given year be a total mess, but that speicifcially involves a situation where you have teams from major conferences playing top notch competition, and who did everything they could possibly do to get into the big game.

Ordinarily, its just too hard to get three undefeated teams. Getting two is a rarity. But I do see a difference between that situation and one where one of the teams is not from a major conference and hasn't played anyone of note until the end, when they may catch a break as far as the overall situation.

Put it this way: arguing that Florida did not deserve to win the national championship last year over Utah is just plain silly.
 
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johnnylongball said:
.... I'm glad at least one true Vol fan on here can see through this BCS garbage and agree with me. Thanks Bushnell. As far as you, voldad, I'm thinking we should check your wardrobe for jorts.
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Nah, I don't wear jorts. I just have an aversion to stupidity.

If only “true” Vols fans are ones that agree with you then I suspect that the number of “true” Vols fans stops at 1.
 
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mbushnell said:
Doesn't seem laughable to me. They spanked quality opponents from major conferences. Like they say, this is why they play the games.
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I watched both games and saw no spanking.
Boise state used trick plays and took several risks. It paid off.

Utah jumped to an early lead, and then held on. I'd say part of that was Bama thinking they were gonna just show up and walk all over Utah. Over-confidence can beat you.

For the record, I was pulling for Boise St and Utah, but please don't be naive to think they "spanked" the other team.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Put it this way: arguing that Florida did not deserve to win the national championship last year over Utah is just plain silly.
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I never said Florida didn't deserve to win the national championship over Utah. I was agreeing that the regular season is NOT a playoff, and 2004 Auburn is proof.

2004 Auburn beat 5 teams in the top 16 that year.

2004 USC beat 4 ranked teams, 3 being in the top 16.

2004 Oklahoma beat only 2 ranked teams, and only 1 being in the top 16.
 
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#73
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I believe the Tigers taught everyone a lesson about NOT scheduling a Div. I-AA opponent.....also, the but-whippins USC put on them very recent to the undefeated season was a killer

I have sat in on the meetings with BCS heads at FWAA annual meetings, and I can tell you the only playoff we might get in the next 5 or 6 years is the "Plus One"

I like the Plus One -- accomplishes pretty much everything. You get too many teams in a playoff -- 8 or 16 -- and the regular season doesn't have the same urgency.

Also, you want to protect the bowls. Bowl season is awesome.

I like football system better than hoops because it rewards a team for what it accomplishes start to finish -- basketball is a tourney, and it's whoever qualifies, and then gets hot

They are different, and both work fine.
 
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Writer32 said:
I believe the Tigers taught everyone a lesson about NOT scheduling a Div. I-AA opponent.....QUOTE]

Did I call it or what?

Just because you faced one Div 1-AA opponent, doesn't take away from the fact that they beat 5 top 16 teams, while Oklahoma only beat 2 top 25 teams.

Florida faced a Div 1-AA opponent in 2006, yet they still made the BCS championship game over Michigan...so there goes that theory!!
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