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#26
#26
It’s just hard to know so early. Last year’s Ga State and BYU games never should have happened no matter how terrible the state of the program was that he inherited, especially in year two. But I think we’ve seen progress since then. But, maybe the progress is much like our 8-game-longest-in-the-sec streak and is due to playing poorer competition?

I think next year is the make-or-break year. If he’s a great coach, we’ll see a great season, if good, a good season, if average or poor, the season will reflect that. Year four will be plenty of his recruits in his system, with his s&c, with his player development. I think we can/should win the east next year, if his guys are being developed.
 
#27
#27
This is a great question and the reality is you really can’t get an answer, just an opinion. Some people “realized” Butch wasn’t good early, but I think a lot of it is fools good. Some folks got lucky and honestly I’m sure were able to realize it sooner than others, but anyone telling you they know Pruitt is going to be a great coach or not is like someone calling a stock pick. Sure everyone might talk about that stock pick they nailed, or that they bet that one game and it was so obvious, but more often than not they’re wrong and if they weren’t, they’d be filthy rich.

So all I can offer you is one man’s opinion. I will admit that I bought into Butch a bit longer than some did, and I think it’s directly reflected in me being a loyal Vol fan and “wanting“ success. That said, and certainly in hindsight, I think there were some warning signs with Butch. 1) He nor his staff seemed to recruit with a significant purpose in mind, but rather just on highly rated players. Further, he seemed to focus more on skill players. 2) He seemed to not take ownership of the program and rather was uber defensive and sensitive if there was ever negativity. I think that was a sign that he was a bit of a chameleon, a yes-man, and did not hold himself or others around him accountable. There was never self-reflection and looking to improve, but rather defensiveness and looking excuse. We saw some of that leak out but a lot of us didn’t want to believe it.

As to Pruitt, several things stand out to me that demonstrate that I think he’s an incredibly good football coach and make me hopeful that we’ll have some long term success. While there are many more, here are just 2-3 in depth reasons, in no particular order:

1) He definitely recruits with a purpose. He wants big linemen on both sides, he wants big backs, he wants big DBs, etc. Everyone wants big and fast, but I think if Pruitt has to sacrifice one vs the other, he‘s going to take the big, athletic, but not as fast guy Vs the super athletic fast, but not so big guy. It’s a line of scrimmage league (or at least it was) and we’ve seen Stoops turn UK around this way and Pittman already at Arkansas has them looking up. Sat was a perfect example. Many folks are so angry that we lost so their hot take talks about JG being a terrible QB, but while there were mistakes at QB for sure, their front 7 manhandled our Oline/RBs all game long and that’s where the game was lost. Pruitt knows this, knew it before the game and knows it after, and he’s prioritizing that appropriately and has been since he took over this team. Regardless of how bad our lines played on Sat (and I think our O line is much better than what happened, and honestly our D line play wasn’t so bad), we have improved mightily on both sides of the ball here since Pruitt took over. This might not make him a winner, but not prioritizing it will definitely make one a loser in this league (see Butch and Dooley). Fulmer was a master at this, among many other things. Even though the game has changed, dominate the lines and all other things become easier and can mask mistakes.

2) He’s accountable. We got our arse handed to us in the second half (and really the first half too at UGA, it’s just the scoreboard didn’t reflect it due to 1 UGA gift of 7 points and then Kirby being a huge dumbass and going for it on 4th and short on their side of field...we were clearly outmatched so that’s a perfect play for an underdog, but he darn near gifted us 14 points in the first half). Anyway, why did UGA win...they just have better players, particularly their D line vs our O line. But while Pruitt called out our players a bit here and there, he owned up to it being on the coaching staff a lot. Which while it’s honorable, there’s only so much a staff can do when outclassed physically like we were. But he still made a point to say even if we had a great call, and the players didn’t execute, then that’s on them as a staff b/c they’re responsible for it. What that tells me is he’s genuine and he’s players are almost exclusively going to have a guy’s back that talks like that. It won’t guarantee wins, but it’ll guarantee mostly getting max effort out of players. It’s easy to see why he’s so good on the recruiting trail.

3) Nothing further, your honor. Actually, I have one more thing which will eventually lead to a point. I will just again speak about our QB play, because I see so much hand-wringing about Pruitt being stubborn or something with JG. First off, we’ll have to agree to disagree that putting anyone at QB behind our line on Sat was going to end up in disaster, but let’s even just concede and say that we lost because of JG (which is ludicrous by the way). If there is any criticism one wants to make about Pruitt, being conservative or scared of something or too stubborn to do something has to be one of the most ill-informed opinions out there. The guy has gone for it on 4th down inside his own 50 too many times to count (I think he did this right off the bat in the UGA game). He calls onsides kicks more than many of our last several coaches combined. He freaking benched JG half of last year for Pete’s sake. If JG is playing, it’s clearly because Pruitt rightly feels JG gives us the best chance to win regardless of what any frustrated Vol fan wants to tell themselves about an on the road loss to #3. JG is a good QB who has definitely improved over his tenure year, but he’s certainly still mistake prone. “We” put him in some terrible positions on Sat and several times he crumbled under the pressure, but the law of averages make that not a surprise nor would anyone back there on our current roster likely make a difference. I will say that while this is a LOS league, it’s no secret that the QB is the most valuable player on a football team. Poor play there will offset a lot of other good just like elite QB play can mask a lot of bad. So that said, Pruitt is using who he thinks is best right now, and my suspicion is that likely won’t change over the next several weeks. In a year with no spring ball, limited fall camp, tons of players out, etc., it should surprise no one that our best option is our most experienced guy. Maybe after the bye week they’ll feel differently once Shrout and/or HB have been given some more reps. Or alternatively, maybe after UGA and Bama are off the schedule, JG will continue to lead us to W’s as our Oline play better protects and we‘re more balanced with a more respectable run game.

Either way, and here’s my point #3, what I know for certain is if any head coach of the Vols started changing the QB ”just because what else have we got to lose” or b/c a bunch of fans/media started pressuring him to do so, then I’d chalk that guy up to not going to be a very successful head coach. Pruitt seems like he’s got the personality that he’s gonna do what he thinks is the right thing to do, to hell with the fans and anyone else & right or wrong, that’s exactly what you want in a coach. I’d guess Jones was the complete opposite of that way, perseverating about how this is gonna look or how people are gonna react to that. Hell Coach Pruitt doesn’t even speak with correct grammar.

I don’t think anyone can necessarily say Pruitt is gonna win here, but I’d say odds are more in his favor based on our trend so far, and I certainly don’t see lots of warning signs like with some of our previous regimes. Look at who has been dominating this league recently. Saban, Smart, etc. not the Mike Leach, Butch Jones types. I’m gonna bet the over at this point still, as I like where we’re headed, but I don’t think we’ll truly know with confidence for another year or so. I really think win or lose, this year is kind of a wash. So flukey with opt-outs, contact traces limitations, practice limitations, etc. it’s going to be somewhat hard to just look at W/Ls for most teams this year and truly trend their trajectory. My looong 2 cents...


I will definitely agree with No. 1

His approach to recruiting is ultimately why I think the program (despite the ugly loss last weekend) in the right direction. I actually think there's a difference in procuring a great recruiting class (Butch Jones) and recruiting to develop a top tier SEC program with stability that's built for consistent success. TBH, we really should start to see alot more success from those 18' and 19' recruiting classes THIS season and I'm optimistic we will. With that said, the 18' recruiting class was really a patchwork job immediately after getting hired so anything we can get out of that one is extra.

It's also crystal clear we're playing better defensively than we have in at least 12 years. Sure, we're not there yet and there are a few positions that we see struggling, but IMO, we're getting real close to "being there" defensively. To clarify, by "there", I really think we can be a top 5 defense soon.

Different story offensively. The only reason I bring it up is because of course our offense struggles are a reflection of the HC as well.

1) How there isn't a better option at QB by now is a head scratcher
2) Our offensive line, while talented, seems undisciplined and inconsistent. They also don't play nearly as physical as they should. I'm usually the last one to call for coaching firings, but I really think we need to address how Coach Friend's offensive line is progressing and being coached.
3) I really can't figure out what we're trying to do philosophically on offense. Are we a ground and pound with play action passing? Are we trying to be a dink and doink passing team with a zone running game? I don't think we have an identity.
4) Ultimately CJP needs to fix this
 
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#28
#28
If he's confident in keeping JG in for this season, he needs a notch on the belt against Bama or UF, or at least a combo win against A&M and Auburn. Forget Kentucky, Vandy, Ark, whatever. We have crossed this threshold.

Butch got UGA twice and UF once during his time on Rocky Top by year 3 and 4.
UGA's only gotten better and we still can't seem to even catch UF on a bad year.

I really want Pruitt to get one of the quality wins so we can quit talking about how he's doing compared to Butch.

Auburn wasn't a quality win?
 
#29
#29
Most of you on here are much more knowledgeable than me about football overall. I know some and played a little, but don’t really understand the ins and outs of coaches/coaching/and consistent winning. So here’s the question that I’m sure will lead to some good conversation. Looking forward to reading.

At what point to you draw the line between being a loyal supporter and realizing the coach just doesn’t have it?

I’ll admit I didn’t see the warning signs with Butch. He recruited well and had us top 15 for a couple of seasons. Finally beat Florida. I didn’t realize he wasn’t the guy until after the 2017 Georgia game. A lot of you knew it WAY before then.

Some of you are already saying you see it in Pruitt, either that he’s got it or he’s not the one. I personally think we finally have the first good football coach we’ve had since Fulmer and he will lead us to prominence again.

A lot of you knew it was time to move on from Fulmer, some still think he should have been given some more years to right the ship.

So how do you know? What do you look for? I know once you lose the locker room, you’re done, but I’m talking about what do you look for before that happens? Subtle hints? Warning signs?
Gonna be a long crazy season, I think he's handled himself really good and I'm glad we've got him. Besides, the longer we have Pruitt, the worse Alabama's defense gets. Pruitt and especially Smart have put a dent in Alabama's recruiting dominance in the league and rosters are leveling up a bit across the conference. We're still in this thing, all the NegaVols out there can go join Coach Majors "legion of miserables" as this fanbase honestly doesn't need them. Pruitt has flipped our roster, we have depth and good veteran leadership and as this ALL-SEC schedule continues I believe it'll all show up. I'm glad we hired him when we did and happy with the results so far. All these NegaVols with any negative views on Pruitt should go look up Dabo Sweeney's 1st few seasons all while playing a much weaker schedule and see where he stacks up. As for Jones, he was the highest paid elementary gym teacher in the country and that's an insult to elementary school gym teachers, sorry guys and gals, and clearly sending Fulmer into purgatory was not a very good plan by all the outsiders we had working in the Athletic department at the time.
 
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#30
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I think it all eventually comes down to being able to quit chasing Bama and Georgia recruiting and actually start beating them consistently. Finishing 10th to 15th Nationally in recruiting is good, but you are still getting pummeled by the top teams in the conference always closing out in the top 5. I don’t know what the key is; but we eventually have to start coming in with a top 5 class nationally of nothing really changes long term. The rich keep getting richer. We aren’t poor, but we aren’t moving into a mansion at this rate
 
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#31
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I like Coach Pruitt a lot... but it's hard not to notice Lane Kiffin producing an impressive offense in year 1 with the guys he has.

We still look improved this year and the season is far from lost. It's just that Georgia has kicked us in the nuts twice this week, on the field and for Amarius Mims, and that's getting harder and harder to swallow as the decades go by. :(
 
#32
#32
Somehow nobody wants to point out that we have on paper one of the best offensive lines in the country and when they don’t miss assignments it shows. The decision to keep Will Froend is starting to make me question things because the missed assignments and penalties on this line are on him
 
#34
#34
Something coming to my mind as I’m reading these posts...when a HC starts hiring/firing coordinators and assistants, it almost seems as if he is looking for an escape or an excuse. Not all the time, but high turnover with assistants usually isn’t a good sign.
 
#35
#35
Something coming to my mind as I’m reading these posts...when a HC starts hiring/firing coordinators and assistants, it almost seems as if he is looking for an escape or an excuse. Not all the time, but high turnover with assistants usually isn’t a good sign.

It's a good sign when they are being poached by other schools for coordinator or HC positions, we haven't had much of that over the last decade.
 
#36
#36
Year 3 is when you know if a guy can get it done or not and the jury is still out on Pruitt. He hasn't beaten anybody he shouldn't have and has lost to a few he shouldn't have and the trend isn't looking good.
 
#37
#37
There is no question Pruitt is a good coach - he has personally been recruiter of the year and has 5 NC rings (and not as Saban's window washer) and is from Saban and Propst tree of coaching. All of you no doubt remember some games, even where we were getting our asses kicked where he was calling out the other teams plays before they made them. He has coached a lot of guys to the NFL for being a young guy. He is an aggressive playcaller. He ever becomes a DC again, he will be snapped up in an instant.

More than that - he has not been a coach in some podunk league, he knows what it is like to compete in the SEC. So not like Butch who really didnt know the expectations of a big time program.

So it is super extremely unlikey Pruitt will completely crap the bed and let things get to where Butch did. Worst case is that CJP is a good coach who can make the program solid again where we win pretty much everything except game against top 10 and we finished ranked.

Now, can Pruitt he be a GREAT coach, where we ARE top 10 again? unknown yet. COVID has meant our players have not really had much practice. Consider when you curse him for leaving JG in, Bailey had not had any snaps and Maurer, who took all the snaps at spring training, has been on the injury list the last 3 weeks. Leaving only other possible is Shrout and what you bet he had not had any snaps either?

Bottom line is we got our asses handed to us by the #3 program and we dont like it and dont accept it. First 2 games were pretty good, lets see how the UK game goes. I figure we will probably lose to the bubbas and will not like that loss either. Other than that, lets recheck how we feel at the end of the season if it is 7-3 (good) or 8-2 (darn good).
 
#38
#38
There is no question Pruitt is a good coach - he has personally been recruiter of the year and has 5 NC rings (and not as Saban's window washer) and is from Saban and Propst tree of coaching. All of you no doubt remember some games, even where we were getting our asses kicked where he was calling out the other teams plays before they made them. He has coached a lot of guys to the NFL for being a young guy. He is an aggressive playcaller. He ever becomes a DC again, he will be snapped up in an instant.

More than that - he has not been a coach in some podunk league, he knows what it is like to compete in the SEC. So not like Butch who really didnt know the expectations of a big time program.

So it is super extremely unlikey Pruitt will completely crap the bed and let things get to where Butch did. Worst case is that CJP is a good coach who can make the program solid again where we win pretty much everything except game against top 10 and we finished ranked.

Now, can Pruitt he be a GREAT coach, where we ARE top 10 again? unknown yet. COVID has meant our players have not really had much practice. Consider when you curse him for leaving JG in, Bailey had not had any snaps and Maurer, who took all the snaps at spring training, has been on the injury list the last 3 weeks. Leaving only other possible is Shrout and what you bet he had not had any snaps either?

Bottom line is we got our asses handed to us by the #3 program and we dont like it and dont accept it. First 2 games were pretty good, lets see how the UK game goes. I figure we will probably lose to the bubbas and will not like that loss either. Other than that, lets recheck how we feel at the end of the season if it is 7-3 (good) or 8-2 (darn good).

Sure hope he starts to prove how good of a coach he is. Right now his record says different.
 
#39
#39
What does he think about his accomplishments as a Power 5 head coach?

No real idea, but I would hope he realizes he has a lot to prove. I also suspect you realize the point of my post was that occasionally a new coach can have immediate success on offense. Doesn’t seem to me to happen as often on defense.
 
#41
#41
Seems like the red flags are strong with this one. Double red flags 🚩 🚩 stay out of the water, no swimming, on our way to a 7 game losing streak
 
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