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Volgrad98

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Remember the Huskers? What a powerhouse they used to be before they hired a former Raiders coach. Now there's alot of talk about another former Raiders coach becoming UT's HC and we really don't know that much about him(Kiffin). I know he has a good pedigree and all but does he really have all that much HC experience?

Now I'm not saying there is a connection that former Raiders coaches can't coach in the college ranks, but what I am worried about is that we become like Nebraska. A once powerful and mighty football program struggling to find it's way to the top after a wrong coaching move. Would choosing Kiffin be a hasty move if PF is gone after the season?

I thought that the Raiders HC thing was a weird coincidence. Anyways, I'd love to hear some thoughts.
 
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UT & Nebraska share many similarities, They both rely on recruiting in rival territories, i.e. Texas, Oklahoma, Georgia & Florida. Nebraska once a powerhouse got pounded into oblivion last year & now the Vols are headed down the same path this year.

I am not really buying Kiffin to UT if CPF is ousted, Kiffin wouldn't be a bad hire though, by the time Callahan got to Nebraska, he had taken such a beating in the pros that the only touch he had left in coaching.. was a losing touch. Kiffin is young, and maybe a little immature but he had the Oakland Raiders in position to beat the hottest team in the league Buffalo & alot of people's preseason Super Bowl pick San Diego, Kiffin deserves some blame for the meltdowns, but I sure as hell would love to see him coaching the Vols
 
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Oakland's only problem was finishing games. They had leads against 3 of the 4 opponents they've played, but blew them in the 4th. If Oakland could finish games, they're 3-1, and 1st in the AFC West.
 
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I will say this about Nebraska at least they're taking a step in the right direction now.
 
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apples and oranges (no pun).

I think a big question is how well an NFL coach could recruit.

I do think Pete Carrol is a possibility, because he is already a great success in Pac, failure in the pros, I'm sure he wants to get more success.

The step between Pac and NFL, is obviously SEC.
 
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Mike Shanahan left in the same manner as Kiffin. He did just fine on his next job.

At al davis' point in his life, he does not know how to differentiate bad from good talent. The man is his own worst enemy. He reminds me of the Last King Of Scotland.
 
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Volgrad98 said:
Would choosing Kiffin be a hasty move if PF is gone after the season?
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At this point, it would be hasty. He's got 20 games worth of hc experience and the accomplishments he made at USC were helped tremendously because of the talent available on that team.
 
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Al Davis would be owner, GM and Coach if the league would let him. I think that he tried the coach thing one year and was shot down by the commissioner.
 
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Most of you are missing the point about USC. It was not a good football team in the 90's until Pete Carroll took over. UCLA was the best team in CA. Kiffin was promoted quickly through the system at USC. He has been around football his whole life and Lane's dad was a mentor to Pete Carroll. Lane has been a top 25 recruiter. He has gone into areas where USC had trouble recruiting (Florida) and taken some of the best talent. TN needs a young coach who is good. We need someone who is much younger and aggressive. Kiffin would be a huge addition to our program. Saying he was a Raider coach and we would be like Nebraska is a stretch. Callahan was not a good coach and coached a good team in Oakland that was left for him by Gruden. Lane got the team Art Shell coached. Huge difference.
 
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utcar011 said:
Most of you are missing the point about USC. It was not a good football team in the 90's until Pete Carroll took over. UCLA was the best team in CA. Kiffin was promoted quickly through the system at USC. He has been around football his whole life and Lane's dad was a mentor to Pete Carroll. Lane has been a top 25 recruiter. He has gone into areas where USC had trouble recruiting (Florida) and taken some of the best talent. TN needs a young coach who is good. We need someone who is much younger and aggressive. Kiffin would be a huge addition to our program. Saying he was a Raider coach and we would be like Nebraska is a stretch. Callahan was not a good coach and coached a good team in Oakland that was left for him by Gruden. Lane got the team Art Shell coached. Huge difference.
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:thumbsup:

Kiffin was at least partially responsible for bringing in some of that talent that made it so easy to coach at USC. Kind of the same way that used to work for CPF. IF Kiffin were the one, and I'm not saying he is, you can bet recruiting would get better immediately and he'd be bringing in some good coaches to coach 'em up. We might do better than Kiffin, but not by much.
 
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The ultimate goal of 99% of the football players at UT is to play in the NFL. So you have a YOUNG coach who was head coach in the NFL for almost 2 years. He has won National Titles at USC and his dad is probably one of the best defensive coaches in the NFL. I would think there is not many people better UT could get. I would think that would leave recruits drooling. He can recruit and coach the offense, 2 things UT needs very bad at this point. If we do not pull the trigger now we will turn into Penn State. A team that was once good, is ok now, but can't fire its head coach because he has been there to long.
 
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utcar011 said:
The ultimate goal of 99% of the football players at UT is to play in the NFL. So you have a YOUNG coach who was head coach in the NFL for almost 2 years. He has won National Titles at USC and his dad is probably one of the best defensive coaches in the NFL. I would think there is not many people better UT could get. I would think that would leave recruits drooling. He can recruit and coach the offense, 2 things UT needs very bad at this point. If we do not pull the trigger now we will turn into Penn State. A team that was once good, is ok now, but can't fire its head coach because he has been there to long.
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:eek:k: Couldn't agree more. There might be better options out there, but the more i read up on this guy, and the way he handled the CRAZY AL situation make me want to see this guy in orange next year.
 
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Callahan was a loser, plain and simple. The only similarity between him and Kiffin is the fact that he was hired by Al Davis.

Why would that automatically make someone a bad hire/coach?
 
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I do think Pete Carrol is a possibility, because he is already a great success in Pac, failure in the pros, I'm sure he wants to get more success.

Pete Carrol is not coming to UT. Stop dreaming.
 
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I'm not sure anyone is coming here, because I'm (sad to say) not convinced Fulmer is gonna get canned. It is not only going to take a lot of money to buy out his contract, but it's going to take a lot of guts on the part of Hamilton and the "money men", and we all know Fulmer is tight with them.

We can speculate all day, but what evidence is there that he is even feeling any more pressure from the powers that be, let alone being threatened with termination?
 
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anyone trying to say that Bill Callahan and Lane Kiffin are the same simply has no idea what they are talking about. Im starting to think that Freak needs to implement some kind of IQ test before you can post here.
 
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rexvol said:
anyone trying to say that Bill Callahan and Lane Kiffin are the same simply has no idea what they are talking about. Im starting to think that Freak needs to implement some kind of IQ test before you can post here.
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Rex i wans't trying to say that they're(Callahan and Kiffin) the same. All I was merely suggesting is that look at what happened to Nebraska with their coaching descisions and that I would hate to see UT follow that same path with a hasty HC replacement descision. UT is still in the national picture somewhat. No one seemed to mention them(Nebraska) in all of this talk about teams stuggling after a coaching change.

This is all just speculation anyway because PF is still our HC and the season is not over.
 
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I refuse to get my hopes up. With our luck-CPF might....and I repeat might pull off enough to get an extension. If he doesn't, he'll probably make Clawson the scapegoat for the horrible season. If.....and again I say if, any changes are made, they will more than likely be made with a "family" member and use the Clawson firing as an excuse to get one.

That's the norm for the program. Also, IMO-the first head coach that will be looked at will be Cutty. I just have that feeling.
 
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To overlook Kiffin because of Callahan would be like failing to draft a Penn State running back or a Jeff Tedford quarterback because of some alleged "curse".

volfansince113087 said:
Are we turning into more like Nebraska or Michigan?

Fulmer is the next/current Frank Solich and Lloyd Carr.
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You mean that whoever succeeds Fulmer will do a much worse job?
 
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UT isn't a better job than SC and Knoxville is certainly a harder place to recruit to. If he wants to get back to the pros he doesn't need the challenge of recruiting.
 
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rexvol said:
anyone trying to say that Bill Callahan and Lane Kiffin are the same simply has no idea what they are talking about. Im starting to think that Freak needs to implement some kind of IQ test before you can post here.
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Who would we get for mods?:)
 
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