UT adopts zero tolerance policy...

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This is one of those things that sounds noble the first time I read it and then gets complicated the more I think about it.
 
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What exactly does "zero tolerance" mean for guns? Can players not possess a firearm even for hunting, target shooting or other legal purposes?
 
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TooLegit2Quit said:
I agree and then I disagree. Is it really all that hard to sacrifice weed for 3-4 years in football or 1-4 years in basketball? Honestly, you are an idiot if you manage to have a positive drug test as a big time college athlete. It's also obvious you don't care as much as you should to take such a risk. I'm fine with it.
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If everybody in the conference agreed to it, then fine. But I'm not interested in throwing away the football program so we can make a dumb moralizing statement about pot. Guns, yes -- gun crime is serious, and I'd support a policy of absolute zero tolerance for gun crime regardless of whether anybody else had one or not. That's a stand worth taking. But pot? Becoming known as the only school in the country that's completely hardass about pot would put us at a giant competitive disadvantage over something that's a victimless crime. No thanks. People that want our team to be a bunch of choirboys can go root for Carson Newman.

From a PR standpoint, UT is obviously going to have to be tougher on guys who actually get busted by the cops for possession for awhile. But if zero tolerance on drugs actually means "zero tolerance," then that's lunacy. We might as well go ahead and lay off our expensive coaching staff to save some money because we won't be winning anything for awhile.
 
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This topic has a lot of angles for debate, be interesting to see which way this thread goes.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
If everybody in the conference agreed to it, then fine. But I'm not interested in throwing away the football program so we can make a dumb moralizing statement about pot. Guns, yes -- gun crime is serious, and I'd support a policy of absolute zero tolerance for gun crime regardless of whether anybody else had one or not. That's a stand worth taking. But pot? Becoming known as the only school in the country that's completely hardass about pot would put us at a giant competitive disadvantage over something that's a victimless crime. No thanks. People that want our team to be a bunch of choirboys can go root for Carson Newman.

From a PR standpoint, UT is obviously going to have to be tougher on guys who actually get busted by the cops for possession for awhile. But if zero tolerance on drugs actually means "zero tolerance," then that's lunacy. We might as well go ahead and lay off our expensive coaching staff to save some money because we won't be winning anything for awhile.
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Great post. :good!:
 
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2 gun incidents within a couple of months is disturbing for Knoxville and UT athletics..
 
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Vercingetorix said:
If zero tolerance means that we're going to immediately dismiss guys the first time they test positive for weed, regardless of whether it comes out as part of a police bust, then that's stupidity of the highest order.
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Maybe UT is different but i know a couple of college baseball players and they have told me that they only get drug tested starting a month or so before the season starts. Its not that hard for someone to stay away from weed for 3-4 months out of the year.
 
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I don't think the difficulty will be so much in recruiting as it will when Tennessee has no choice but to dismiss a good player/players due to an off the field incident. If that happens much you end up right back where we are now, no quality depth.
 
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Starting when? Say goodbye to 3/4s of athletes. Hope this isnt for students too our you could say by to 3/4s of the students as well, atleast for the drugs part.
 
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I wonder if that goes for failed drug tests too. Or is it an in possesion of offense?
 
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Daddy Gee said:
2 gun incidents within a couple of months is disturbing for Knoxville and UT athletics..
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While certain aspects of the law make little distinction I make a very strong one between a "real" firearm and pellet gun. Legal nuances aside one is an unregulated "toy" to many people (albeit one that can hurt someone) while the other is simply another animal altogether.

Still, the fact that one of the guns in this last episode had been altered in such a way that even an otherwise law-abiding citizen could get in trouble makes it worse.
 
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hndog609 said:
While certain aspects of the law make little distinction I make a very strong one between a "real" firearm and pellet gun. Legal nuances aside one is an unregulated "toy" to many people (albeit one that can hurt someone) while the other is simply another animal altogether.

Still, the fact that one of the guns in this last episode had been altered in such a way that even an otherwise law-abiding citizen could get in trouble makes it worse.
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I see the Pilot incident as (attempted) armed robbery.
 
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I think this is an overreaction,,, what if you want to go hunting? Maybe shooting fish at the lake? Target practice at the range? Maybe a simple drive by? What if the Bloods attack? Maybe they can confiscate the guns and at the end of the year they can auction off the guns along with the other lost and found items taken or found for the year. I think the police keep the drugs. What do the police do with this stuff?

Now I am older and so remember reading about Bernard King stealing TV's out of dorm rooms, so this stuff is not new.
 
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#44
Honestly, I doubt this will ever happen, it's just not at all realistic. Hamilton is frustrated and obviously angry. He needs to do what's best for the University of Tennessee and it's athletic programs, not what's best short-term when it comes to his job.

I do think it's very irresponsible and overall quite stupid to fail a drug test as a big time college athlete. I honestly wouldn't have a problem with a zero tolerance type punishment system for something as little as a failed drug test as it really is inexcusable. Considering the huge privilege it is to play college football it's ridiculous how little some of these guys care about it. Big time college athletics has some serious problems, it's current state is laughable in some aspects.
 
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Pot is not an acceptable substance for use at schools, places of employment, and businesses. It's against the law to possess it, distribute it, and use it.

But hell, let's just ignore it's use for college athletes cause it's stupid to expect them to follow the same rules as the rest of us. I could lose my job if I used it, but by golly I want a kid to use it and get his college education paid for cause I like it when we win.
 
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Now we will just stick up people at Pilot's with knives.

Test positive for weed? Who cares, we got pharmaceuticals that you can't test for.

See how this statement is hollow? The athletes that want to misbehave, and act a fool, will. They will just get around the rules.

This cripples us drastically. Our player smokes a joint, he's kicked out of school. Every other institution in the SEC has a player smoke a joint, they get a game suspension if that.

Setting the example by ourselves is moronic. A push by our AD to push this through as a conference wide regulation would have been better. Make a big deal out of it for PR sake, but don't go all John Wayne on this when you know you're doomed.
 
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If the picture painted by some does indeed turn out to be awful, will Pearl leave?
 
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This does bring up a pretty interesting topic of conversation. Good points on both side it appears.

I'm curious though, why don't any conferences on the NCAA have a zero tolerance type policy for stuff like this? Big time college athletics have some serious problems.
 
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vollygirl said:
Pot is not an acceptable substance for use at schools, places of employment, and businesses. It's against the law to possess it, distribute it, and use it.

But hell, let's just ignore it's use for college athletes cause it's stupid to expect them to follow the same rules as the rest of us. I could lose my job if I used it, but by golly I want a kid to use it and get his college education paid for cause I like it when we win.
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Alcohol is not an acceptable substance for use at schools, places of employment, and businesses either. It just happens to have been deemed legal by our all knowing gov't. We seem to just ignore college kids drinking alcohol unless they are caught doing something stupid while under the influence. Why not classify it as an illegal drug too since it's probably more dangerous
 
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