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#77
#77
BigOrangeTrain said:
People are making too much about USU. Keeton is nothing special and neither is USU. Anything less than a 14 point victory by UT is going to be considered an underachievement.
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Keeton is something special. We disagree there. He is a top 10 and probably top 5 QB in the nation.
 
#79
#79
NashVOL93 said:
For starter's USU's nose tackle is 275 pounds. For comparison, the last time Tennessee had a true 3-4 NT he was 375 pounds. That number's pretty consistent for 3-4 defenses across the SEC.
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Sorry, but the average SEC NT is not 375. McCullers was pretty much the largest NT in the SEC since Mount Cody. Both are outliers.

The average SEC NT is more in the 300-325 range with a few guys in the 330s.

275 will be smallish for what we're used to going against though. That will probably be the only DL lining up across from Mack Crowder that he outweighs all season.

USU's LBs will be flying around behind that DL though. That's the only group that really worries me about USU (besides Keeton of course). Specifially, USU's outside backers are supposed to be really solid pass rushers. I wouldn't be surprised to see them give our OTs some trouble. The quick passing game is going to have to be on point if that's the case.
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
Sorry, but the average SEC NT is not 375. McCullers was pretty much the largest NT in the SEC since Mount Cody. Both are outliers.

The average SEC NT is more in the 300-325 range with a few guys in the 330s.

275 will be smallish for what we're used to going against though. That will probably be the only DL lining up across from Mack Crowder that he outweighs all season.

USU's LBs will be flying around behind that DL though. That's the only group that really worries me about USU (besides Keeton of course). Specifially, USU's outside backers are supposed to be really solid pass rushers. I wouldn't be surprised to see them give our OTs some trouble. The quick passing game is going to have to be on point if that's the case.
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Read again, bud. I said the number was pretty consistent, not that it was average. Just two or three years ago Georgia had 351-pound Jonathan Jenkins, for starters.

Either way, my point stands. 275 pounds is one undersized nose tackle, Polynesian or not.
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
Sorry, but the average SEC NT is not 375. McCullers was pretty much the largest NT in the SEC since Mount Cody. Both are outliers.

The average SEC NT is more in the 300-325 range with a few guys in the 330s.

275 will be smallish for what we're used to going against though. That will probably be the only DL lining up across from Mack Crowder that he outweighs all season.

USU's LBs will be flying around behind that DL though. That's the only group that really worries me about USU (besides Keeton of course). Specifially, USU's outside backers are supposed to be really solid pass rushers. I wouldn't be surprised to see them give our OTs some trouble. The quick passing game is going to have to be on point if that's the case.
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USU's outside backer Kyler Fackrell is the real deal. Projected first OLB off the board on Mel Kiper's way too early big board in the first round. He has two full years starting at the position and is 6'5" 260 with serious speed and athleticism. I'm told the SEC has a few guys like that in it so it should be no sweat for ya'll :p. Our D-line doesn't get a lot of sacks but can disrupt and eat up blockers. Polynesians really have made a big difference on our lines and we have several solid (and older) Polynesians on the line. It's a high quality front seven overall.
 
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#83
#83
Madmartigan said:
Keeton is something special. We disagree there. He is a top 10 and probably top 5 QB in the nation.
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I like you marti and I'm glad you've come to this board and represented your team with class, but this is simply not true. If he were a Top 5 QB he would be in the discussion with other Top 5 QB's. He's not in the discussion with Top 10 QB's, and to be honest there are QB's that haven't played a down that are more well-known than Keeton. I don't think anyone outside of Utah and maybe a few PAC-12 teams have any idea who he is.

Jameis Winston
Marcus Mariota
Brett Hundly
Bryce Petty
Nick Marshall

These are most likely the top 5 QB's. Chuckie Keeton isn't close to being in this list. Again, no offense, but I think you've got the blue and white glasses on for this one.
 
#84
#84
chatt-townVOL said:
I like you marti and I'm glad you've come to this board and represented your team with class, but this is simply not true. If he were a Top 5 QB he would be in the discussion with other Top 5 QB's. He's not in the discussion with Top 10 QB's, and to be honest there are QB's that haven't played a down that are more well-known than Keeton. I don't think anyone outside of Utah and maybe a few PAC-12 teams have any idea who he is.

Jameis Winston
Marcus Mariota
Brett Hundly
Bryce Petty
Nick Marshall

These are most likely the top 5 QB's. Chuckie Keeton isn't close to being in this list. Again, no offense, but I think you've got the blue and white glasses on for this one.
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While CK is not likely in the top 5 and sure I have my goggles on, CK is known more than you think. That little organization known as the NFL did an article on him:

Scout: Utah State QB Chuckie Keeton 'might be best in the West' - NFL.com
 
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#86
#86
mitzustu said:
There are casinos with lines open for betting now.

Tennessee officially opens at -7

http://www.vegasinsider.com/college-football/odds/las-vegas/
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Seems fair. If we knew who our QB was and didn't have to have the discussion we are about our O and D lines, I could see it being -14 in our favor. Unfortunately, until we know who the QB is, and until we see solid play from our lines, we still have questions to answer.

USUs LBs legitimately worry me, they are good. Keeton is a serious threat too. Don't underestimate him. If Worley is in the shotgun, and we have two or three wideouts, I think we'll have time to get it to our receivers. They'll need to make plays and get in space, because until I see our line play, I'm not nearly as confident in our run as I am in our passing, despite my confidence in our RBs.
 
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#87
WilliamDuVOL said:
Seems fair. If we knew who our QB was and didn't have to have the discussion we are about our O and D lines, I could see it being -14 in our favor. Unfortunately, until we know who the QB is, and until we see solid play from our lines, we still have questions to answer.

USUs LBs legitimately worry me, they are good. Keeton is a serious threat too. Don't underestimate him. If Worley is in the shotgun, and we have two or three wideouts, I think we'll have time to get it to our receivers. They'll need to make plays and get in space, because until I see our line play, I'm not nearly as confident in our run as I am in our passing, despite my confidence in our RBs.
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You may not be sure who the QB is, but we are.
 
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#88
WilliamDuVOL said:
Seems fair. If we knew who our QB was and didn't have to have the discussion we are about our O and D lines, I could see it being -14 in our favor. Unfortunately, until we know who the QB is, and until we see solid play from our lines, we still have questions to answer.

USUs LBs legitimately worry me, they are good. Keeton is a serious threat too. Don't underestimate him. If Worley is in the shotgun, and we have two or three wideouts, I think we'll have time to get it to our receivers. They'll need to make plays and get in space, because until I see our line play, I'm not nearly as confident in our run as I am in our passing, despite my confidence in our RBs.
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Your WRs scare me to death. Could be a top 2-3 unit in the country if potential is realized.
 
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#89
Madmartigan said:
I'm more interested in how it is you're a Lobos fan. What's the connection? UNM fans are some of the best in the country I've found.
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Lived there for three years and had a blast at lobos games. Got a parking pass and season tix for 75 bucks back in the day. I would go back in a heartbeat if the wife would allow. But I still wore Orange on gameday
 
#90
#90
Madmartigan said:
While CK is not likely in the top 5 and sure I have my goggles on, CK is known more than you think. That little organization known as the NFL did an article on him:

Scout: Utah State QB Chuckie Keeton 'might be best in the West' - NFL.com
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The title exaggerates what's being said about him. The basic premise of the article is summed up if you scroll down a little:

there are some scouts on the West Coast touting Utah State's Chuckie Keeton as a sleeper candidate to watch in the fall.
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SOME scouts are saying he's a "sleeper" for this year. Time will tell, but QB's all over the country from smaller schools get these kind of articles written about them. It's nothing new.
 
#91
#91
orangebloodgmc said:
More than 6 snaps? OK.

Crowder, who started the entire SC game, Kerbyson, Wiesman, Vereen, J. Williams, O'Brien, Saulsberry.

That doesnt include, of course, the JUCOs, Blair and O Williams, both expected to be ready.

Lastly, you cagily stated it as "last season" but we know that Marcus Jackson agreed to red shirt last season because we had that luxury, whereas he had played in all 12 games in '12, and played in all 12 in '11, including starting in 5 of those, so we know him to be SEC-ready.

I aint skeered.
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Name one sec team that had a winning season after replacing two lines. I'm not to worried about d line, it's the o line that worries me
 
#93
#93
NashVOL93 said:
Read again, bud. I said the number was pretty consistent, not that it was average. Just two or three years ago Georgia had 351-pound Jonathan Jenkins, for starters.

Either way, my point stands. 275 pounds is one undersized nose tackle, Polynesian or not.
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Sorry, but 375 isn't "consistent" either. You're evidence for that number being consistent is that we had a 375 McCullers for two years, Bama had a 360 Cody 5 years ago, and that UGA had Jenkins 3 years ago. You could probably add in Charles Mosley to that mix (though he may end up on offense).

But 4-5 guys over the course of half a decade isn't really "consistent." All of those guys are and were exceptional in the size department.

I'm not arguing you on your last point, but you can't really argue that 350+ is "consistent" in the SEC. It's also worth noting that most of the highly drafted SEC DTs have been in the 290-320 range.

It's also worth noting that the weights on their roster may not be too recent. There are plenty of players on our team who've put on 15-20 lbs this offseason but haven't had that updated on the roster yet. That 275 lb NT could walk into Neyland in a month at closer to 290-295 (which would likely make him the size of or bigger than our starting 1 technique DT).
 
#94
#94
bigdaddy said:
Name one sec team that had a winning season after replacing two lines. I'm not to worried about d line, it's the o line that worries me
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I am not going to do the research, but has that really ever happened in the SEC, probably not. I would be very surprised if it did??
 
#95
#95
bigdaddy said:
Name one sec team that had a winning season after replacing two lines. I'm not to worried about d line, it's the o line that worries me
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Have a coke and a smile and stop worrying so much about irrelevant things. CBJ has got this....he can only work with what we have on campus, unless you think we should have drafted some lineman in the first and second rounds.

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#96
#96
bigdaddy said:
Name one sec team that had a winning season after replacing two lines. I'm not to worried about d line, it's the o line that worries me
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People are over exaggerating this way too much. We are not "replacing our entire o-line and d-line." We are replacing our starters from those lines. There are plenty of guys on both sides of the ball that got plenty of playing-time in the last few seasons. Curt Maggit will be on our D-line for goodness sake. We, and ESPN, are making it sound like we are replacing everyone who ever played a down on the lines at UT with starry-eyed young kids who have never taken a snap in a real game.

Everyone chill. There is still plenty of experience on these lines, and the guys we're bringing in are some of the most talented and highly rated linemen the hill has seen in a long time.
 
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chatt-townVOL said:
People are over exaggerating this way too much. We are not "replacing our entire o-line and d-line." We are replacing our starters from those lines. There are plenty of guys on both sides of the ball that got plenty of playing-time in the last few seasons. Curt Maggit will be on our D-line for goodness sake. We, and ESPN, are making it sound like we are replacing everyone who ever played a down on the lines at UT with starry-eyed young kids who have never taken a snap in a real game.

Everyone chill. There is still plenty of experience on these lines, and the guys we're bringing in are some of the most talented and highly rated linemen the hill has seen in a long time.
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It is a big deal and I think people are understating the issue. Pennington addressed this issue quite well on Sunday Sports Source and broke down each players actual game snaps. To sumerize the situation, not good. Imagine trying to start a team at any level with zero returning starters on the line. It's a huge deal and IMO the biggest ? of the season. No team on SEC history has been this way so thinking its all going to be ok is a delusion at this point
 
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#98
#98
bigdaddy said:
It is a big deal and I think people are understating the issue. Pennington addressed this issue quite well on Sunday Sports Source and broke down each players actual game snaps. To sumerize the situation, not good. Imagine trying to start a team at any level with zero returning starters on the line. It's a huge deal and IMO the biggest ? of the season. No team on SEC history has been this way so thinking its all going to be ok is a delusion at this point
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I agree that it's a bigger deal than many here realize. Our coaches are going to have to adjust their schemes to make up for our situations up front (specifically OT and DT). I expect to see a lot of stunts up frot defensively to make up for the lack of big bodies that have been seasoned by SEC play and to emphasize the quick passing game and use TEs to make up for OTs who are inexperienced and not the best pass blockers.

We're still probably a year away from having the personnel to just line up and run the system our coaches want to run without having to try to cover up glaring holes somewhere or another.
 
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#100
Hey guys, new to the board. I'm a born and bred Nebraskan who loves Husker football. However, I have a lot of respect for the Tennessee program and SEC in general. Me and a friend will be in Knoxville the Saturday of this game and will be attending our first SEC game. We are looking for some southern hospitality, perhaps someone letting us join for some tailgating pregame and a nudge in the right direction to finding reasonably priced tickets. Appreciate all the help in advance!
 
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