USCjr. Was our last win this year....

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I find myself wondering why myself and others choose to post in a thread like this? Oh well one more for the old ignore list.

OP I figure you are too ignorant to ever add anything of value to a discussion and I truly doubt you're a fan of this team. JMO.
 
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the6chambers said:
You're not a guru if you're right...you don't have to eat crow if you're wrong.

This is a football team finding its way. Good lord, the melodrama is getting ridiculous.
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No kidding!

I agree that there are issues to be dealt with but some people are just throwing in the towel.:ermm:
 
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the6chambers said:
You're not a guru if you're right...you don't have to eat crow if you're wrong.

This is a football team finding its way. Good lord, the melodrama is getting ridiculous.
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Not with the leadership of this senior class. They are lost. Hopefully CBJ players move in we will see new type of leadership. Winners
VOLS 27 Vandy 42
 
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daj2576 said:
If memory serves, Bama lost the last 4 games of the season that year, including a loss to La-Monroe. That is the opposite of the "great improvement all season" argument you are attempting to make.
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Touché on Bama losing the last 4 games that year after beating UT down 41-17. In 2008 went 12-2, in 2009 won first of what is now 3 out of the last 4 natl championships.

The ultimate point I was making to Jason is that Saban is a much better coach than Butch, would've done a much better job with this team and certainly this defense. If Butch somehow wins 3 of the next 4, more than likely 4 of the next 5 NCs I'll come back as say I was wrong. Anybody thinking we win 12 gms next year?
 
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k-town_king said:
Saban was also 6-6 and lost to ULM. I would say Carolina this year is better than we were also. So your point is?
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My point will more than likely be made at the end of next year. Saban finished 12-2 and played for the SEC title his 2nd year. Lets see how UT finishes next year.

For now, my point is that Saban would've done a better job with this team than Butch has. That was all as I was responding to a poster who stated that Saban couldn't have done anything with this defense/team. I disagree.
 
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the6chambers said:
You're not a guru if you're right...you don't have to eat crow if you're wrong.

This is a football team finding its way. Good lord, the melodrama is getting ridiculous.
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How does a New York Knicks basketball player fit into this conversation? :p
 
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While I agree the defense is inept, takes awful angles, can't tackle, and slow, the entire coaching staff gets 3 years to show what they have. I am by no means sold on all the coaches but it is what it is... just going to have to wait another couple of long years.
 
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KBVol said:
Touché on Bama losing the last 4 games that year after beating UT down 41-17. In 2008 went 12-2, in 2009 won first of what is now 3 out of the last 4 natl championships.

The ultimate point I was making to Jason is that Saban is a much better coach than Butch, would've done a much better job with this team and certainly this defense. If Butch somehow wins 3 of the next 4, more than likely 4 of the next 5 NCs I'll come back as say I was wrong. Anybody thinking we win 12 gms next year?
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Here is where I will get rocks thrown at me, but let me say this.

Saban isn't a fantastic coach. He is a great recruiter. The end result is a ton of success, but I think many people are looking at the wrong thing.

In fact, with the talent that Saban has on hand, he should never...ever...lose a football game. Yet, even with his crystal balls, he tends to lose about a game a season that talent would predict he shouldn't lose. If you dig deeper, you tend to find that teams that beat him all have things in common (except for LSU) they all tend to use some version of the spread / read option offensive attack. In other words, Saban gets out coached about once a year. Nobody notices as he hoists a crystal ball, typically against far inferior competition, but that glaring fact remains.

Is Saban worth every penny that Bama pays for him? Absolutely. He racks up recruits and then wins with a nauseating pace. He also sustains the recruiting that is necessary to win at that level.

Recruiting, believe it or not, is far more important than any other single factor (including coaching) in college football. Saban's record would look similar to Jones this year, with this talent.
 
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Joe Vols said:
We will have to play our best game if the year to beat Vandy. If we had Worley back I would be more confident, but as if right now Josh Dobbs is one dimensional. If we beat Vandy we will have to do it running the ball, and with short 3-5 yard passes. Josh just isn't accurate from 10 yards out. We are going to have to do to Vandy what Auburn just did to us. Beat us handily on the ground.
Vandy just put up 34 on a much better defense, at the swamp, which is much harder to win at than Neyland has become.
I just hope our guys stop talking out of their arse, and actually do their talking with their physicality.
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I partially agree with you but respect your opinion.

I agree that
-Worley would be the better option to manage the offense right now
- Dobbs is one dimensional right now and is god awful with long balls
- UT will need to run about 80% to be successful right now

I disagree that
- We have to play our best against Vandy. We shouldn't not try to play our best but a good smart game is good enough to beat Vandy.
- It wasn't Florida's defense that Vandy put 34. The Florida offense caused most of the points to happen against them.

Vandy is not as good as everyone thinks they are but they are good enough to beat us if we have a bad game. We need to go in with a game plan to take car of the ball and run low risk plays. Our Defense plays much better against pro style offenses and Vandy does not have the elite speed we have witnessed the last 3 weeks. I see the score being 26-17 Vols over Vandy.
 
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utshawn said:
I partially agree with you but respect your opinion.

I agree that
-Worley would be the better option to manage the offense right now
- Dobbs is one dimensional right now and is god awful with long balls
- UT will need to run about 80% to be successful right now

I disagree that
- We have to play our best against Vandy. We shouldn't not try to play our best but a good smart game is good enough to beat Vandy.
- It wasn't Florida's defense that Vandy put 34. The Florida offense caused most of the points to happen against them.

Vandy is not as good as everyone thinks they are but they are good enough to beat us if we have a bad game. We need to go in with a game plan to take car of the ball and run low risk plays. Our Defense plays much better against pro style offenses and Vandy does not have the elite speed we have witnessed the last 3 weeks. I see the score being 26-17 Vols over Vandy.
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Spot on!

Franklin has Vandy in position to capitalize off of other teams misfortunes. That is something, admittedly, that has not ever happened with consistency on West End. Good for him.

But, that is a far cry from beating top-tier teams at their best. Say what you want, but both of their wins against UGA and Florida came against very different teams and attitudes than those teams had when they played UT.

Can Vandy beat UT in Neyland, absolutely. Will they? If you believe the odds are greater than 50/50 after a bye week, in Neyland stadium, I would say you are being a bit too negative. In fact, I would say that the odds are 70/30 in favor of UT.
 
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KBVol said:
My point will more than likely be made at the end of next year. Saban finished 12-2 and played for the SEC title his 2nd year. Lets see how UT finishes next year.

For now, my point is that Saban would've done a better job with this team than Butch has. That was all as I was responding to a poster who stated that Saban couldn't have done anything with this defense/team. I disagree.
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So your saying Saban, with the trouble his Bama team has playing A&M present day, would have won more games with the present day Vols team that have had to play 3 teams that run a similar type of offenses but better than A&M. I am not saying with his current Bama team, I am talking about the current Vol team. Really?

If you believe that than you are lost. Saban is a great head coach but there is zero percent chance he could have done any better.
 
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jasonvol18 said:
Saban couldnt have gotten this defense even top 50. Apparently people forget Saban's first year at Ala. They were aweful and alot of those players didnt buy in or talented enough to play in the SEC. They were 7-6 his first yr at Ala. And they were in better shape than our slow a$$ D. Oh and how about one of the best D Coordinators in Monte Kiffin and what he gave up to AU, OleMiss, and a few others that ran the spread. We have to get depth and speed that Dooley forgot to recruit. Damn...
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This ^ Monte Kiffin is the best defensive minded coach to ever coach the game of football & he couldn't do anything with this squad & depth has gotten worse on D since he left, IMO
 
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1982Alum said:
Vandy will beat us. UK will be close but I will say we beat them.

5-7 again. Third year in a row.
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Please don't let Candy's game against the gators be your deciding factor on whether or not we beat them because the swamp is under water right now, just as we are. Will it be close? Probably, but don't write us off to this sorry a$$ team before the game even starts!
 
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daj2576 said:
If memory serves, Bama lost the last 4 games of the season that year, including a loss to La-Monroe. That is the opposite of the "great improvement all season" argument you are attempting to make.
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Exactly, if anything, he regressed throughout the season. This dude is just pissed about the L yesterday & spurting nonsense as soon as it comes to his mind!
 
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Jancek and Martinez have a well-documented history of failure, even when they've had talent. As long as both are on the payroll, UT will never get out of the bottom half of the SEC in total defense.
 
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tm3 said:
He is one of only two assistants ever fired by Richt .... Thus his inclusion on the greatest coaching staff in America.
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The other fired one is also on staff. And this board, who is now defending him, used to make fun of his many failures at UGA.
 
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