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Peterman looks like a 4th or 5th round pick but could be as high as the 5th QB taken.

It is a weak draft for QBs but the demand is sky high!
 
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I think Dobbs going in the 3rd round says a lot. This clearly shows how hard he has worked. Don't get me wrong, Dobbs is a playmaker. But this shows the NFL believes he can be a good QB. No one deserves it more than Dobbs IMO
 
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American_PitVol said:
Your cheese must have slid off your Burger...
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gunner said:
Revionist history IMHO.

Dobbs was NEVER behind Ferguson. That's why Ferguson transferred.
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catss350 said:
And how exactly are you coming up with all that prime info?
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Spring 2013


Bleacher Report - Tennessee Football: Updating Vols QB Battle Post 2013 Orange and White Game


Tennessee football just had their 2013 Orange and White Game. Perhaps the most riveting storyline of spring practice has been the position battle between Justin Worley and Nathan Peterman at quarterback. Although the competition remains open, Saturday’s Orange and White Game had a clear winner whose path toward the starting spot on August 31st is one step closer.
That player is former Gatorade Player of the Year, Justin Worley.
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Spring 2014

IndyStar - Tennessee Vols fans hope Riley Ferguson can fill need at QB

During preseason practice last year, Jones singled out Ferguson for praise after a particularly strong performance. Jones noted his “pocket presence” and said he “doesn’t get rattled and made some big throws.”

Worley even called Ferguson’s arm “awesome.”

Whether based on reality or imagination, reports leaked out of the practice field early last season that Ferguson was impressive as both a runner and a passer.

He made the trip to Florida when Dobbs, his classmate, did not. But then Ferguson suffered an injury to his right leg in practice and saw Dobbs move ahead on the depth chart.
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Spring 2014

Times Free Press - Updates on Tennessee Vols' five questions


Tennessee didn't leave spring practice with a starter or even a pecking order, but it became clear toward the end of the spring that Justin Worley and Riley Ferguson had separated themselves from Josh Dobbs and Nathan Peterman.

The steady Worley, who quarterbacked the Vols in a near-upset of Georgia and an upset of South Carolina last season, was 11-of-13 for 151 yards and a score with a 49-yard run in the spring game, while Ferguson struggled with an interception, a couple of three-and-outs and three sacks.
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May 2014 (when Ferguson transferred)

Rocky Top Talk - SBNation.com - Riley Ferguson Leaving Tennessee Program

*But many also expected redshirt freshman Riley Ferguson to eventually win the job, based on everything from recruiting rankings to message board chatter.

But today the chatter has turned in a surprising direction.

Chatter is probably the wrong word since that's coming from the mouth of the head coach. But make what you will of the following:

So Tennessee's quarterback battle is now back to the three players who started games last fall, which is one of the reasons some fans were really pulling for Ferguson. The former four-star who was a target of Alabama, among others, was reportedly ahead of freshman Joshua Dobbs last year but a leg injury prevented him from coming in when Justin Worley was lost for the year in mid-October. Ferguson took the redshirt while the Vols struggled to a 5-7 record; the Vols went 1-3 in Dobbs' four starts to close the year, and also lost at Florida in a game Nathan Peterman started with Worley coming in off the bench.
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CBSSports.com - Butch Jones: QB Riley Ferguson not expected back with Vols

A three-star signee out of Matthews, N.C., Ferguson originally committed to Derek Dooley in 2012, stuck with the Vols after Jones's hiring, and may have been in line for 2013 playing time had a fractured tibia not forced a redshirt. He played well in Tennessee 's spring camp and was widely considered, at worst, still in contention for the starter's job and likely just ahead of Dobbs for the backup's role if Jones went with narrow favorite Worley.
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6. Nathan Peterman, Pittsburgh

Two-year starter for the Panthers after transferring from Tennessee, where he was benched in each of his two starts, the latter in favor of fellow draft prospect Joshua Dobbs. At Pitt, completed 61.1% of his passes for 5,142 yards and 47 touchdowns with 15 interceptions and was 14-10 as the starter. Best prospect from an under-center, pro-style offense in this class. Understands the concepts coming in. Game manager type. Stands 6-2, 226 with 9 7/8-inch hands. Above-average arm. Smart. Good decision-maker.

Projection: Second/third round.

7. Joshua Dobbs, Tennessee

Started 35 games for the Volunteers (23-12 record). Completed 61.5% of his passes for 7,138 yards and 53 touchdowns with 29 interceptions. Ran for another 2,160 yards and 32 TDs. True dual threat. Very good athlete at 6-3, 216. Was 23-12 as starter. Aerospace engineering major. Intelligence, character, leadership all top-notch. Steady presence. Decision-making needs to improve. Doesn’t always see the full field. Inconsistent and unpolished passer. Accuracy is just OK.

Projection: Third round.
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7. Playmaker.
 
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His stat line in his only start: 2-5 4yds and 2 ints. One lost fumble. I would say incompetent is a perfect description.

No QB coach is that bad. To rattle a player that bad would take shock treatment. One of those dog collars, zapping from the snap till the ball was gone.

I knew Nate would get over it. Just needed more experience to get over the anxiety. Very happy for him.
 
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81Orange said:
His stat line in his only start: 2-5 4yds and 2 ints. One lost fumble. I would say incompetent is a perfect description.

No QB coach is that bad. To rattle a player that bad would take shock treatment. One of those dog collars, zapping from the snap till the ball was gone.

I knew Nate would get over it. Just needed more experience to get over the anxiety. Very happy for him.
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Broken Thumb doesn't help either.
 
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James K Folks said:
Several months ago I was laughed at while undressing to make love to my girlfriend for the first time. I feel your pain. ☹️
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When someone heard the hiss of air escaping and they noticed she was obviously deflating, can you blame them for laughing?
 
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I remember comments in 2013 and 2014 around how Dobbs did not practice well. But when given his chance to play he shined. The opposite seemed to be true of those that were battling for the QB position with him. The truth is he beat them out for the starting job and both Peterman and Ferguson transferred. End of story.

Josh has carved his name into the UT and SEC record books. Years from now when folks look back he will be recognized as either the second or third best QB to ever play at UT - depending upon folks perspective - but the stats do not lie - he is one of best to take the field at Neyland.
 
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volfan102455 said:
And the thing is his stats are basically for 3 seasons - yes he played in 4 but the number of games from the first 2 is 1 game less than a full season.

Had he played 4 complete seasons, if not injured he would have more than likely passed Clausen in the total offense category.
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Don't throw stats at 114. His teams traditionally punted on first down. :)
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KBVol said:
He absolutely, 1000% was....at Tennessee.

Good on him for making the most of his second chance and change of scenery at Pitt. He's a great kid and I'm happy for him. Doesn't change the truth of what happened, what kind of quarterback he was at Tennessee vs SEC competition.
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I believe his improvements had a lot more to do with the system he was playing in rather than the competition he was playing against. Cheney recruited him to Tennessee to play in a pro style offense, and once he got to Pittsburgh and actually played in one he flourished. He was just not a good fit for Butchs offense.
 
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catss350 said:
Say what...?:ermm:
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He was ahead of Dobbs, splitting first team reps with Worley in Spring of 2014. Depth chart was, in order, Worley, Ferguson, Peterman, Dobbs. Ferguson's issue was between the ears....wasn't mature enough to compete and go win the job, thought he should win the job without earning it. But make no mistake, Riley was clearly ahead on the depth chart of both Peterman and Dobbs.
 
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volfan102455 said:
Ferguson choked which resulted with Dobb's red shirt year being pulled.
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Revisionist. Ferguson didn't choke, he quit after spring practice. We went into Fall with Worley as starter, Peterman second string, Dobbs third. Josh's redshirt got pulled due to injury to Worley and Peterman's ineffectiveness. Words mean things...."choke" doesn't apply here.
 
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jarnol32 said:
I believe his improvements had a lot more to do with the system he was playing in rather than the competition he was playing against. Cheney recruited him to Tennessee to play in a pro style offense, and once he got to Pittsburgh and actually played in one he flourished. He was just not a good fit for Butchs offense.
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With all due respect, I'd take it a step further. While Peterman may not have been a good fit for Jones' offense, it was Nathan's composure and lack of poise that jumped off the page when he played at Tennessee. Perhaps there was some complexity with Butch's offense that he just couldn't handle as a young player here. Whatever it was, he was emotionally overmatched when playing qb for Tennessee, he simply couldn't handle it. That said, I'm very happy for him that he found a good landing spot at Pitt and has worked his way into being an NFL draft pick. Says a ton about him and his character.
 
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KBVol said:
With all due respect, I'd take it a step further. While Peterman may not have been a good fit for Jones' offense, it was Nathan's composure and lack of poise that jumped off the page when he played at Tennessee. Perhaps there was some complexity with Butch's offense that he just couldn't handle as a young player here. Whatever it was, he was emotionally overmatched when playing qb for Tennessee, he simply couldn't handle it. That said, I'm very happy for him that he found a good landing spot at Pitt and has worked his way into being an NFL draft pick. Says a ton about him and his character.
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A broken thumb on his throwing hand caused all sorts of composure and effectiveness problems. That fact should have jumped off the page at you while you were attacking Nathan personally, claiming he was mentally unfit and other vicious nonsense. You were proven wrong.

The truth is we had a dismal offensive line that evaporated after the snap. There was no time to throw, so we inserted a third running back (Dobbs) to carry the team with his legs.
 
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Old Geezer said:
A broken thumb on his throwing hand caused all sorts of composure and effectiveness problems. That fact should have jumped off the page at you while you were attacking Nathan personally, claiming he was mentally unfit and other vicious nonsense. You were proven wrong.

The truth is we had a dismal offensive line that evaporated after the snap. There was no time to throw, so we inserted a third running back (Dobbs) to carry the team with his legs.
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No no no. That's not correct. He didn't enter the game with a broken thumb, and if you go back and find the play where he was injured, and then look at and compare his play before and after, you see he actually had more "success" after he hurt his thumb. I've actually gone and looked at the game and done this before, so your point doesn't wash. And at the end of the day, a .7 (not 70 or 7, but a .7) passer rating because he was 4-11 for 5 yards, 0 tds and 2 interceptions just is what it is....historically bad, I don't care what kind of OL he was playing behind....recall that Worley came in to replace Nathan behind the same OL, in the same offense, vs the same defense, and had success...10-23, 149 yards, 1td, 94.9 rating. See the difference?

And if you couldn't watch that game, his performance vs Florida in 2013, and come to the conclusion that he was rattled and void of any poise and composure whatsoever from his first snap behind center, then I'd suggest you either didn't know what you were witnessing or you're not being forthcoming about what was readily evident to 99.9% of football fans who saw it.

Additionally, did Nathan have a broken thumb a year later vs Georgia when he fumbled a handoff to Marlin Lane in the redzone while temporarily replacing an injured Worley? How about vs Alabama later that year when Jones pulled Nathan after two quick series (2-4, 10 yds, no points) in favor of a sophomore they had earmarked for a redshirt year?

Look dude, I'm not anti-Peterman. I've said more times than I can count now that he's a great kid who deserves praise for making the most of second chance and change of scenery at Pitt, which he desperately needed, and turning himself into an NFL draft pick. Job extremely well done.

But I'm also not interested in some revisionist history and whitewashing of the truth of how bad Peterman was at Tennessee. It's not in any way personal, it's just the truth. He knew, Jones knew it, 99.9% fans knew it...which is why he transferred from Tennessee in the first place.
 
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Old Geezer said:
A broken thumb on his throwing hand caused all sorts of composure and effectiveness problems. That fact should have jumped off the page at you while you were attacking Nathan personally, claiming he was mentally unfit and other vicious nonsense. You were proven wrong.

The truth is we had a dismal offensive line that evaporated after the snap. There was no time to throw, so we inserted a third running back (Dobbs) to carry the team with his legs.
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Dobbs is a better QB than Peterman in nearly every facet of the game. So for a third RB, he was a pretty good QB.
 
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KBVol said:
No no no. That's not correct. He didn't enter the game with a broken thumb, and if you go back and find the play where he was injured, and then look at and compare his play before and after, you see he actually had more "success" after he hurt his thumb. I've actually gone and looked at the game and done this before, so your point doesn't wash. And at the end of the day, a .7 (not 70 or 7, but a .7) passer rating because he was 4-11 for 5 yards, 0 tds and 2 interceptions just is what it is....historically bad, I don't care what kind of OL he was playing behind....recall that Worley came in to replace Nathan behind the same OL, in the same offense, vs the same defense, and had success...10-23, 149 yards, 1td, 94.9 rating. See the difference?

And if you couldn't watch that game, his performance vs Florida in 2013, and come to the conclusion that he was rattled and void of any poise and composure whatsoever from his first snap behind center, then I'd suggest you either didn't know what you were witnessing or you're not being forthcoming about what was readily evident to 99.9% of football fans who saw it.

Additionally, did Nathan have a broken thumb a year later vs Georgia when he fumbled a handoff to Marlin Lane in the redzone while temporarily replacing an injured Worley? How about vs Alabama later that year when Jones pulled Nathan after two quick series (2-4, 10 yds, no points) in favor of a sophomore they had earmarked for a redshirt year?

Look dude, I'm not anti-Peterman. I've said more times than I can count now that he's a great kid who deserves praise for making the most of second chance and change of scenery at Pitt, which he desperately needed, and turning himself into an NFL draft pick. Job extremely well done.

But I'm also not interested in some revisionist history and whitewashing of the truth of how bad Peterman was at Tennessee. It's not in any way personal, it's just the truth. He knew, Jones knew it, 99.9% fans knew it...which is why he transferred from Tennessee in the first place.
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In fact Peterman played the entire second quarter with a broken thumb. His 'meltdown' began on the same play he slammed his thumb into a gator's helmet while under pressure.
Peterman played less than 60 minutes at UT, including two quarters against Florida, one with a broken thumb. That is exactly what sealed his fate in your mind, among others.
You were scathingly critical of his personal intelligence, competence and claimed he should never see the field.

Are we supposed to believe the wonderlic scores or your assessment of Peterman's intelligence?
Did Peterman prove he was mentally incompetent by graduating UT in three years, then on to graduate work and success at Pitt?

Is beating the national champion Clemson beneath SEC competition?
I know you will never admit you were wrong to demean and trash the young man while at UT, but you were very wrong - and classless.
 
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