US Supreme Court Approves College Athletes payments

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And with this decision, Tennessee just lost any chance of being competitive in football. This school will NEVER come up with the $$$ relative to other schools (ND, USC, OSU, Texas, Alabama, GA, Gators). The gap between the good and the best just got opened way up.

Think about that the next time your season tickets become available for renewal. They will be looking for ticket holders to pay out this stipend to the players.
 
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This just opens up another legal question for the courts and ncaa. What are the definitions of professional and Amateur athlete? And the question as to whether a professional can play in college sports legally. (Under NCAA rules)
 
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1982Alum said:
And with this decision, Tennessee just lost any chance of being competitive in football. This school will NEVER come up with the $$$ relative to other schools (ND, USC, OSU, Texas, Alabama, GA, Gators). The gap between the good and the best just got opened way up.

Think about that the next time your season tickets become available for renewal. They will be looking for ticket holders to pay out this stipend to the players.
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Next they will be looking for handouts to you directly or indirectly through the State tax bin to pay for all the legal expenses and liability for the mega-lawsuits coming.

The mafia will get paid twice... once from the crime, and another time from the State bailout.
 
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Milerdvol said:
This just opens up another legal question for the courts and ncaa. What are the definitions of professional and Amateur athlete? And the question as to whether a professional can play in college sports legally. (Under NCAA rules)
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There is no legal definition, the NCAA tried to create a definition for their own benefit. It was a scam.
 
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1982Alum said:
And with this decision, Tennessee just lost any chance of being competitive in football. This school will NEVER come up with the $$$ relative to other schools (ND, USC, OSU, Texas, Alabama, GA, Gators). The gap between the good and the best just got opened way up.

Think about that the next time your season tickets become available for renewal. They will be looking for ticket holders to pay out this stipend to the players.
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My dad keeps arguing the opposite. I think it is a mixed bag for UT. UT has a top 15 fan base and fan base size is what will matter for getting players. This will help Tennessee significantly against schools like UK, Vandy, Missouri, South Carolina, Ole Miss, etc. I don't think it will help or not help against Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, LSU, etc. Those schools will have the same ingrown advantages as us and all of them have been more successful lately.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
Vandy... soon to be powerhouse.

LOL at college football
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Not really. You need fans to get endorsements. They don't have fans lol.

Basically look at top 25 fanbases and those schools will have the advantage.

Fortunately, Tennessee is one of them. This might help more than hurt Tennessee at the moment.
 
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So say on GameDay, TN players can sign autographs for money? They could get thousands in a season
 
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VolnJC said:
So say on GameDay, TN players can sign autographs for money? They could get thousands in a season
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I don't see why a member school couldn't pay the player directly.

(of note, the USSC ruling doesn't directly have a decision as to either of those things)
 
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We now need to focus on admin willing to pony up with the big boys. That will be the deciding factor for the future of the VOLS as a brand and fanbase.

And from the overview I read of the written decision, the judicial justification was significant.


Supreme Court Rules 9-0 Against NCAA Limiting Educational Benefits to Student Athletes
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Justice Neil Gorsuch delivered the opinion of the court by saying “The extent [the NCAA] means to propose a sort of judicially ordained immunity from the terms of the Sherman Act for its restraints of trade—that we should overlook its restrictions because they happen to fall at the intersection of higher education, sports, and money — we cannot agree.”


Justice Brett Kavanuagh wrote a concurring opinion stating that “the NCAA and its member colleges maintain important traditions that have become part of the fabric of America…But those traditions alone cannot justify the NCAA’s decision to build a massive money-raising enterprise on the backs of student athletes who are not fairly compensated.”


“Nowhere else in America can businesses get away with agreeing not to pay their workers a fair market rate on the theory that their product is defined by not paying their workers a fair market rate,” Kavanaugh goes on. “The NCAA is not above the law.”
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I've always advocated for a semi pro league...I don't think you should have to go to college if all you want to do is play professionally.. I guess this way preserves the college game
 
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50YearsAVol said:
Gorsuch made clear that the athletic organization can still enforce rules that forbid schools from paying students salaries or giving them outlandish gifts to lure them to their programs.
"Under the current decree, the NCAA is free to forbid in-kind benefits unrelated to a student’s actual education; nothing stops it from enforcing a ‘no Lamborghini’ rule," he said.
Supreme Court sides with student athletes, rules NCAA improperly capped education-related benefits
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The money wont need to come from schools.

It will be from the likes of Jethro's Ford and Nissan dealership in Opelika.
 
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50YearsAVol said:
Gorsuch made clear that the athletic organization can still enforce rules that forbid schools from paying students salaries or giving them outlandish gifts to lure them to their programs.
"Under the current decree, the NCAA is free to forbid in-kind benefits unrelated to a student’s actual education; nothing stops it from enforcing a ‘no Lamborghini’ rule," he said.
Supreme Court sides with student athletes, rules NCAA improperly capped education-related benefits
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That is taken out of context, the only thing that Supreme Court was reviewing had to do with educational benefits i.e. lower court injunction. The injunction does not limit the NCAA in that way, but you can bet DOJ will take action.

What the USSC is saying is the lower court did not limit their ability to enforce the rule, that doesn't mean the rule is in compliance to anti-trust law. They are only addressing the injunction.

Again, however, this over-reads the injunction in ways we have seen and need not belabor. Under the current decree, the NCAA is free to forbid in-kind benefits unrelated to a student’s actual education; nothing stops it from enforcing a “no Lamborghini” rule. And, again, the district court in-vited the NCAA to specify and later enforce rules delineat-ing which benefits it considers legitimately related to edu-cation. To the extent the NCAA believes meaningful ambiguity really exists about the scope of its authority—regarding internships, academic awards, in-kind benefits, or anything else—it has been free to seek clarification from the district court since the court issued its injunction three years ago. The NCAA remains free to do so today. To date, the NCAA has sought clarification only once—about the precise amount at which it can cap academic awards—and the question was quickly resolved. Before conjuring hypo-thetical concerns in this Court, we believe it best for the NCAA to present any practically important question it has in district court first.
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allvol123 said:
The money wont need to come from schools.

It will be from the likes of Jethro's Ford and Nissan dealership in Opelika.
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DOJ has already shot across the bow in January, if a school wants to pay a player.... there really isn't much the NCAA is going to do unless they want to chance DOJ involvement. There are two paths for anti-trust... civilly and criminally.

The NCAA has already admitted this is a monopoly.

They do not con-test that the NCAA enjoys monopoly control in that labor market—such that it is capable of depressing wages below competitive lev-els and restricting the quantity of student-athlete labor.
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I said this was going to go down on this forum for the last 5-10 years, this is an easy one. The NCAA is a criminal organization of schools, the public's appetite for college sports has a prolonged what is a scam.

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so what happens when the schools start charging the athletes for medical expenses, travel, meals, housing, and this whole thing become a business? the athletes are going to have to pay taxes on that income cause these corporate sponsors are surely going to write it off their taxes which puts the athletes in the IRS radar......Tennessee doesnt have a state tax, Alabama does, that along will cost the athlete a ton of cash when tax season rolls around.

I believe this whole thing will backfire on the athletes and they will realize how expensive playing college sports really is for the school when they start having to foot the bill.

Imagine a few starters for a school not being able to make a road game because they cant afford the plane flight.
 
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piratelifeforme said:
so what happens when the schools start charging the athletes for medical expenses, travel, meals, housing, and this whole thing become a business? the athletes are going to have to pay taxes on that income cause these corporate sponsors are surely going to write it off their taxes which puts the athletes in the IRS radar......Tennessee doesnt have a state tax, Alabama does, that along will cost the athlete a ton of cash when tax season rolls around.

I believe this whole thing will backfire on the athletes and they will realize how expensive playing college sports really is for the school when they start having to foot the bill.

Imagine a few starters for a school not being able to make a road game because they cant afford the plane flight.
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Players would pay their taxes just like they are required today, of course, much of this will now be report-able at least on big ticket income. Not sure why a player would pay his own plan flight for a school event. College sports as you know it will probably breakdown in its present form but not in the way you are describing it, imo.
 
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golfballs said:
This decision was only related to educational-related benefits. Not to compensation.
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True, but it clearly shows the Supreme Court knows its a scam. The ruling could only hurt the NCAA, it was never going to help them. Because the States stepped in. The ruling is only on the lower injunction itself, but I would say its about as crystal clear as they could get on the subject without saying... you guys are criminals.

The current business model is now the old business model... with no new model even being discussed.
 
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volbound1700 said:
My dad keeps arguing the opposite. I think it is a mixed bag for UT. UT has a top 15 fan base and fan base size is what will matter for getting players. This will help Tennessee significantly against schools like UK, Vandy, Missouri, South Carolina, Ole Miss, etc. I don't think it will help or not help against Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, LSU, etc. Those schools will have the same ingrown advantages as us and all of them have been more successful lately.
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Not so fast.....

College Finances - USA TODAY
 
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