Upon further review, Jeremy Pruitt is wisely handling offensive coordinator search

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volfannbama said:
My bad, regardless he gave no indication that it made him miserable and you have no argument that UT should be trusted to hire people. Fulmer and Pruitt have yet to prove they are good hires. Of course Fulmer has equity with most people so we assume he is a good hire. Pruitt has not proven to be a good hire at all.
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I can most definitely make an argument that so far Fulmer has been a good hire, just by the way he handled the coaching search when he took over. Instead of running around the country playing job offer roulette, he sat down(hyperbole, although I imagine he does a fair amount of sitting) gathered info from his contacts in coaching circles, created a list of candidates, interviewed them, and picked the one that he felt had the best vision and plan to get Tennessee back where he wants it. Whether or not Pruitt is successful remains to be seen, but just the stability and normalcy brought about by that should be a positive sign for the AD moving forward. Not to say they cant screw it up.
 
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northknoxvol said:
gives Pruitt the feeling that we can take our time and lose even a second of recruiting time because we don’t have our new OC hired yet? I’m pretty sure offensive players want to know who their coordinator is before they sign LOI papers!!!!
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Is that why Harrison Bailey committed? I mean seriously that kinda goes against your theory.
 
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I’m itching for information like everyone else, but I maintain that Pruitt knows what he’s doing. He put together a great staff for his first year. Pruitt really seems like a guy who knows how to build relationships and seems to be a good judge of character. He’s also a ball coach. Not a hype man. He’s real.
I’m willing to bet that he and Phil knew that Freeze wouldn’t work, but interviewed out of respect for Freeze and the fan base calling for him.
I think Lindsey May have been a real candidate, but if they thought highly of him he wouldn’t be at Kansas.
If Pruitt hires a hack job, it’ll probably cost him his job down the line and he knows that. Might as well fortify recruiting through the process and make damn sure you’ve got the right guy.
We aren’t getting beat out on these OC candidates, Pruitt’s being picky as he should be.
 
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BloomuVol said:
I can most definitely make an argument that so far Fulmer has been a good hire, just by the way he handled the coaching search when he took over. Instead of running around the country playing job offer roulette, he sat down(hyperbole, although I imagine he does a fair amount of sitting) gathered info from his contacts in coaching circles, created a list of candidates, interviewed them, and picked the one that he felt had the best vision and plan to get Tennessee back where he wants it. Whether or not Pruitt is successful remains to be seen, but just the stability and normalcy brought about by that should be a positive sign for the AD moving forward. Not to say they cant screw it up.
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The margin of loss this year for UT was 26 points. We are not a stable, normal program.
 
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I'll try this one more time:

Fulmer has MANY bad coaching hires in his record, as well as his ill advised elevation of Randy Sanders to OC, etc. He also has some good hires (getting Cut back probably his best).

Pruitt's interaction with Helton and his handling of JG are problematic for me. Pruitt has made good moves as well (getting Fitzgerald in as SC - heck, just HIRING a SC after Botch was a good move).

AND, in the background lies the BOT, the institutional AD personnel, and the Haslams. That collective track record is horrid.

As I have said repeatedly, I will hope Fulmer and Pruitt get this right. Based on what I have observed in the past 15 years, I'm just not over the top hopeful. Is that clear enough?

But, in any event, I don't know very many VOL fans who are truly that invested anymore. when you find yourself honestly entertained by a 4 yard pattern on 3rd and 8, you know you've turned the corner! :)
 
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My gifts to those who still have full faith and confidence in all UTAD decisions against the harsh realism of us skeptics:



 
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volfannbama said:
The margin of loss this year for UT was 26 points. We are not a stable, normal program.
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Now your putting team results as an indicator of stability, rather than realizing the inherent instability of a culture change in a program. Happened for most every other coach, why wont you give Pruitt that benefit?
 
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BloomuVol said:
Now your putting team results as an indicator of stability, rather than realizing the inherent instability of a culture change in a program. Happened for most every other coach, why wont you give Pruitt that benefit?
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Winning is the only indicator of a stable program. Had ut hired a coach with experience in building a successful stable program, that coach would have the automatic equity. Pruitt hasnt done that. I dont have to give pruitt anything, eitherway because it has no bearing. I hope he wins, as I only want tennessee to win, I dont care what the coaches name is.
For me, Pruitt blamed the poor performance on lack of talent. Good head coaches dont do that. Good head coaches get the most out of what they have, pruitt didnt do that. He said nothing will change until he recruits different players, im not a fan of that. It should come as no surprise that pruitt would struggle in that area. He has been handed top talent every stop. He doesnt have that luxury here. So until he proves that he is a good head coach, I only go off what I see in the field, and it wasnt good.
 
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VolInNW said:
I'll try this one more time:

Fulmer has MANY bad coaching hires in his record, as well as his ill advised elevation of Randy Sanders to OC, etc. He also has some good hires (getting Cut back probably his best).

Pruitt's interaction with Helton and his handling of JG are problematic for me. Pruitt has made good moves as well (getting Fitzgerald in as SC - heck, just HIRING a SC after Botch was a good move).

AND, in the background lies the BOT, the institutional AD personnel, and the Haslams. That collective track record is horrid.

As I have said repeatedly, I will hope Fulmer and Pruitt get this right. Based on what I have observed in the past 15 years, I'm just not over the top hopeful. Is that clear enough?

But, in any event, I don't know very many VOL fans who are truly that invested anymore. when you find yourself honestly entertained by a 4 yard pattern on 3rd and 8, you know you've turned the corner! :)
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Fulmer is not the coach he is the AD, his record as an AD is all that matters.
What handling of JG? Are you meaning starting him over Chryst?
While I completely understand the suspicion about the House of Haslam, I'm just not seeing how they are doing anything anymore, Fulmer isnt a Haslam yes man, I think it's pretty evident to anyone Pruitt isnt a Yes man, and these are the only two people we know will have immediate impact on the hiring decision, now having said that, if there is proof, not baseless speculation and rumors, of board or booster interference then I'll join right in with the chorus. But I dont necessarily see it as that big of an issue right now, I fully believe Ruit has just been doing his due diligence on the candidates he has identified for the job while also trying to recruit for the early signing period. It's an important hire to help establish his culture, and he doesnt want to rush it, and risk his job.
 
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volfannbama said:
Winning is the only indicator of a stable program. Had ut hired a coach with experience in building a successful stable program, that coach would have the automatic equity. Pruitt hasnt done that. I dont have to give pruitt anything, eitherway because it has no bearing. I hope he wins, as I only want tennessee to win, I dont care what the coaches name is.
For me, Pruitt blamed the poor performance on lack of talent. Good head coaches dont do that. Good head coaches get the most out of what they have, pruitt didnt do that. He said nothing will change until he recruits different players, im not a fan of that. It should come as no surprise that pruitt would struggle in that area. He has been handed top talent every stop. He doesnt have that luxury here. So until he proves that he is a good head coach, I only go off what I see in the field, and it wasnt good.
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I dont see where you get he has blamed lack of talent, his gripe all along has been guys giving 100 percent effort all the time, it's very evident the problem isnt as much talent, as the mentality and inability of the whipped dogs on the roster to regain that confidence to play like that. It's not an indication of bad guys, just guys that haven't bought in because through experience and lack of development they are way behind the bell curve.
 
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volfannbama said:
Winning is the only indicator of a stable program. Had ut hired a coach with experience in building a successful stable program, that coach would have the automatic equity. Pruitt hasnt done that. I dont have to give pruitt anything, eitherway because it has no bearing. I hope he wins, as I only want tennessee to win, I dont care what the coaches name is.
For me, Pruitt blamed the poor performance on lack of talent. Good head coaches dont do that. Good head coaches get the most out of what they have, pruitt didnt do that. He said nothing will change until he recruits different players, im not a fan of that. It should come as no surprise that pruitt would struggle in that area. He has been handed top talent every stop. He doesnt have that luxury here. So until he proves that he is a good head coach, I only go off what I see in the field, and it wasnt good.
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I tend to agree with this. Pointing out that your guys are fighting their guts out but just need more help is a helluva lot different that what Pruitt said on several occasions. You maybe say what he said once to motivate and get your guys' attention, but he said it basically over and over.

When your coach is calling you a lousy team, and that he will have to recruit his way out of it, you tend to probably not be super dooper motivated. Part of Pruitt's learning curve. Since we are no longer a destination job, this is what we have - a coach with potential to be a very good coach learning as he goes.

It is what it is, to quote a phrase.
 
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BloomuVol said:
Fulmer is not the coach he is the AD, his record as an AD is all that matters.
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LOL.....so, Fulmer did a personality and memory data dump and showed up for work as Fulmer 2.0 on the day he took the AD job? Seriously???

LMAO. ROTFLMAO.
 
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VolInNW said:
I tend to agree with this. Pointing out that your guys are fighting their guts out but just need more help is a helluva lot different that what Pruitt said on several occasions. You maybe say what he said once to motivate and get your guys' attention, but he said it basically over and over.

When your coach is calling you a lousy team, and that he will have to recruit his way out of it, you tend to probably not be super dooper motivated. Part of Pruitt's learning curve. Since we are no longer a destination job, this is what we have - a coach with potential to be a very good coach learning as he goes.

It is what it is, to quote a phrase.
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I dont see that as throwing them under the bus, so to say. I just see that as his hard nose style he has always had, he shoots straight and is honest with the players, that's why most of his former players loved him, the problem is that there are too many butch guys that cant deal with a guy like that, and he is going to have to recruit his way out of it. It's sad to say but its reality.
 
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BloomuVol said:
I dont see where you get he has blamed lack of talent, his gripe all along has been guys giving 100 percent effort all the time, it's very evident the problem isnt as much talent, as the mentality and inability of the whipped dogs on the roster to regain that confidence to play like that. It's not an indication of bad guys, just guys that haven't bought in because through experience and lack of development they are way behind the bell curve.
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He literally said it was going to improve until he recruited players. Not a very good way to instill confidence in guys currently on the roster
 
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volfannbama said:
He literally said it was going to improve until he recruited players. Not a very good way to instill confidence in guys currently on the roster
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Perhaps he knows that the guys that he needs to replace arent going to be motivated. What's the old saying you can lead a horse to water...
 
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I see both sides of the story. We have been dealt with alot of bad, bad hires that have turn our program back. We are not the same feared team as we once were. It has been a while since teams actually cringe when they had to play us. Now it's more like how many points can we put on them.

Fans are tired of the loosing mentally so some goe to the syndrome called "worse case scenario". Basically we are expecting the worse because the last 10 years or so we have had such a rough patch and frankly we are tired of it.

We put our trust in admin and they have not lived up to UT standards. Of course it is a hit and miss on some hires but we have been striking out recently with football coach's. We have seen some good games that had promise, but quickly faded out.

While I want to know who the OC is, I'm afraid we won't know until it's official. We will have to have hope that Pruitt gets it right but fans are worried that higher ups are blocking or determining who is hired.

Long story short....we want the best...deserve the best...been disappointed...but hopeful..

Maybe this is the hire that turns UT back to the glory days!
 
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Administration issues haunt the fan base but the difference here is that Pruitt and Fulmer will make the right call in my opinion.

I fully supported the hire of CJP and think he has a great football mind. I believe we’re in good hands.
 
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volfannbama said:
Winning is the only indicator of a stable program. Had ut hired a coach with experience in building a successful stable program, that coach would have the automatic equity. Pruitt hasnt done that. I dont have to give pruitt anything, eitherway because it has no bearing. I hope he wins, as I only want tennessee to win, I dont care what the coaches name is.
For me, Pruitt blamed the poor performance on lack of talent. Good head coaches dont do that. Good head coaches get the most out of what they have, pruitt didnt do that. He said nothing will change until he recruits different players, im not a fan of that. It should come as no surprise that pruitt would struggle in that area. He has been handed top talent every stop. He doesnt have that luxury here. So until he proves that he is a good head coach, I only go off what I see in the field, and it wasnt good.
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I remember watching Alabama play during Saban's first year and near the end of the year they had just lost another game and Saban was mad, you could see it in his face. He was walking off the field after the game and a reporter stopped him and asked him" coach what are you going to do to get Alabama winning again?" he looked at her and said " we are going to recruit better ball players" and turned and walked off.

That is the same thing Coach Pruitt is saying.
Anybody with any knowledge of football can watch us play this year and see we really lack in talent.
 
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vols4evah said:
I remember watching Alabama play during Saban's first year and near the end of the year they had just lost another game and Saban was mad, you could see it in his face. He was walking off the field after the game and a reporter stopped him and asked him" coach what are you going to do to get Alabama winning again?" he looked at her and said " we are going to recruit better ball players" and turned and walked off.

That is the same thing Coach Pruitt is saying.
Anybody with any knowledge of football can watch us play this year and see we really lack in talent.
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I don't like Nick saban nor do I like Alabama.

If Pruitt had won a NC prior to being Tennessee coach, he may have a bit more equity. He didnt.
If tennessee did not lose a game by more than one score this year, pruitt would have more equity. They didnt.
 
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volfannbama said:
He literally said it was going to improve until he recruited players. Not a very good way to instill confidence in guys currently on the roster
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Sometimes the truth is ugly. Denying it doesn't make it any better. Nor does diplomatic language. This is not a complicated trade deal with China, this is college football. Just call it what it is.

I'll offer the WVU, UF, UGA, Bama, Mizzou, and even Vandy games as "Exhibit A" that Pruitt nailed it. UT simply does not have the talent on the roster to compete in the SEC.

Only way to fix that? I'll take "Recruit Better Players" for a thousand, Alex. Pruitt made his mistakes this year, but it's pretty clear that he knows what he needs to succeed here, and isn't bashful about saying it. Or would we prefer Champions of Life 2.0?

Gimme the truth. I can handle it. If the players can't, Blinn JC awaits with open arms.

Go Vols.
 
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GreyWolf1129 said:
Sometimes the truth is ugly. Denying it doesn't make it any better. Nor does diplomatic language. This is not a complicated trade deal with China, this is college football. Just call it what it is.

I'll offer the WVU, UF, UGA, Bama, Mizzou, and even Vandy games as "Exhibit A" that Pruitt nailed it. UT simply does not have the talent on the roster to compete in the SEC.

Only way to fix that? I'll take "Recruit Better Players" for a thousand, Alex. Pruitt made his mistakes this year, but it's pretty clear that he knows what he needs to succeed here, and isn't bashful about saying it. Or would we prefer Champions of Life 2.0?

Gimme the truth. I can handle it. If the players can't, Blinn JC awaits with open arms.

Go Vols.
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Pruitt approves of you buying into his excuses.
 
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volfannbama said:
Pruitt approves of you buying into his excuses.
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Difference of opinion. You saw the same team I saw. Played well against Auburn and UK. Auburn is, well...Auburn, and UK was overrated. Bennie and the Cats. UT was outclassed, heavily, by the good teams they played. And Mizzou. And Vandy.

Did coaching play a role? Yes. But it was apparent to all that UT simply lacks the horses to run with SEC talent. Considering that Pruitt had to work with a roster populated with BJ's recruits, hard for me to call that an "excuse". More like a handicap.

He gets 4 years with me. We'll know more next season, and even more the season after, but the '21 Vols will tell us what we have for a HC. I expect, as most do, improvement next year, and then the year after, and then the year after.

It's not about whether you or I are right or wrong. Differing opinions, but we're both Vol fans. We both want to win.

So does Pruitt. To steal a quote from Bill Parcells, let him buy the groceries before you bitch about the meal.

Go Vols.
 
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