Updated player's weights from utsports

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VolinDawgland said:
- Sykes is getting into DT territory, hope he's ready
- Hood is still 10-20 lbs away from SEC size OL
- Jeffrey is legit DT weight, hope he's ready
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Why couldn't Hood become an option at DT? IIRC, he was a good DL in HS also, right?
- Walls if he's still on the team this fall is going the wrong direction unless he dropped some fat and increased his strength and quickness
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I was really excited when Walls finally got to UT. I'm disappointed to say that it probably doesn't matter how much he weighs.
 
#81
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thunder5 said:
Yeah...and superdawg51 is clearly s***ing himself over it...

Why else would he constantly flame about Bray's weight and D. Rogers eligibility?
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one of your own posted that he ran into Bray at the Bball gym and that he was shocked how thin he was.



RockyTop1194
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Was walking into the Trec (UT's gym) yesterday and Bray was walking out from playing basketball. To be completely honest if I had not known his face I would have thought he was just an average Joe. Of course he was tall, but he was soo skinny, I did a double take, and so did the buddy I was with.

I am not trying to be negative, bc I know he has talent, but I guess since I saw him a few months ago I envisioned (or maybe convinced myself) that he would have gained weight/strength. With our brand new OL he will be lucky if he does not get broken in half. Being that it is July, I am def now pulling for a red shirt to let him develop, but of course I am no expert. I also have a buddy who works out with the football team, and says he is weighing in at 186..
Just thought some people might want an update.

As for Rogers....is he even enrolled?
 
#82
#82
VolinDawgland said:
True enough as far as that goes, but a Dallas Thomas with great foot movement and hand strength at 265 is just not going to have the mass/strength/leverage required to drive a large defender back or hold his ground in pass protection as he will at 295.

All other things being equal for a DT, I'd rather have him weight 285 than 265.

There was an interesting analysis on Rocky Top Talk showing the highly correlated relationship of the weight of the defensive front seven and defensive ranking. Alabama had the heaviest front seven and the best defense. There were only a couple exceptions of a front seven being out of the top 20 in weight and ranking in the top 20 statistically.
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Scheme has a lot to do with it. If you run a 2-Gap DL, then you need the big, space-eating DT's to clog their gaps. If you run a 1-Gap, then you need lighter, quicker DT's to get penetration. If Wilcox runs a 1-Gap, smaller DT's will be fine. He'll still need a guy to play NT over the 2nd gap (inbetween the Center and Guard), but at 270, Rae Sykes is big enough to play UT over the 3rd gap (straight across from the Guard). If he runs a 2-Gap, then missing those massive DT's will hurt. From everything I've heard and read, a 1-Gapper is right up Wilcox's alley. Small, quick DL and a LB corps that flows to the ball.


About Bama, the weight thing is just a coincidence. First off, they had Mt. Cody who was the biggest DT in the NCAA last year. Secondly, Saban runs a 3-4 DEF that I believe utilizes a 2-Gap DL. So you know how I talked about the Vols using a 2-Gap would need the two big DT's for our 4-3? Well for a 3-4 2-Gap, you not only need the massive NT but big 5-Tech DE's on the edge. These DE's were Brandon Deaderick (around 300 lbs.) and Lorenzo Washington (around 290 lbs.). Marcel Dareus, who started 4 games in Washington's spot, weighed 280 lbs. - we'll be seeing a lot of this guy; guy's a beast.

If the Vols put those 3 guys on our 4-3 1-Gap DEF, we wouldn't have the same success. Cody would struggle to get pass-rush that we'd want from him, Deaderick isn't an elite pass-rushing DT, and Washington would be the guy who'd have to play DE, which he wouldn't be able to get around the edge at. Yeah, helluva' run-stuffing crew, but when your pass-rush comes from your DL, you're not getting after the QB. It'd be good if they could all rotate, but not it they'll all starting - not even in a 2-Gapper.

Ok, so their 3-man DL alone weighs around 940 lbs, which is smaller than an ideal 4-3 1-Gap (I'd put that at 1,110 lbs. - RE: 260 lbs. LE: 270 lbs. UT: 280 lbs. NT: 300 lbs.), but that's big for a 3-4 DL and the ideal 4-3 DL has the extra man (and not many college teams have that ideal size for their 4-3) Then factor in the 3-4 LB's, which are bigger than 4-3 LB's. The OLB's need to have pass-rush ability, so they'll need bulk to take on OT's. The ILB's are about the same size as 4-3 MIKE's, but there are two of them in a 3-4. Rolando McClain was around 250 lbs. Cory Reamer is listed at 234. Eryk Anders at 227 lbs. Then two other guys handled the 4th spot: Dont'a Hightower, who is 260 lbs., and Courtney Upshaw, who is 263 lbs - we'll just split the difference ang go with 261 lbs., weighing on he lower side. So the LB corps weighs in at 972 lbs., which is light compared to the ideal. We'd actually be able to use their LB's in our 4-3, but only because Reamer and Anders are lighter than the typical 3-4 LB's. I'd put an ideal 4-3 LB corps to weigh a combined 730 lbs. (WLB: 235 lbs. SLB: 245. MLB: 250 lbs.), but that's a Cover 2, which would typically go with a 1-Gapper.


Don't get me wrong - size is a good thing. As long as it suits the DEF that's utilizing it. I think that's typically the case, hence the 20 or so other teams that fall into that line of thinking. But Wilcox can compensate and turn a weakness into a strength if he installs the right scheme.
 
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#83
#83
BS 20x over on Bray. The guy who reported Bray weighed in at 186 last week works for the UT Strength & Conditioning program. He wouldn't make that stuff up. It's possible for Bray to gain that much by the season, but i'll take the word of the strength graduate assistant who physically wrote down the weight straight off the scale of all the players over UTSports.com.
 
#84
#84
Midfielder10 said:
BS 20x over on Bray. The guy who reported Bray weighed in at 186 last week works for the UT Strength & Conditioning program. He wouldn't make that stuff up. It's possible for Bray to gain that much by the season, but i'll take the word of the strength graduate assistant who physically wrote down the weight straight off the scale of all the players over UTSports.com.
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do we know for sure this guy is with the s&d program?
 
#89
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superdawg51 said:
one of your own posted that he ran into Bray at the Bball gym and that he was shocked how thin he was.



RockyTop1194
Whiskey Drinkin' Section
Bray

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Was walking into the Trec (UT's gym) yesterday and Bray was walking out from playing basketball. To be completely honest if I had not known his face I would have thought he was just an average Joe. Of course he was tall, but he was soo skinny, I did a double take, and so did the buddy I was with.

I am not trying to be negative, bc I know he has talent, but I guess since I saw him a few months ago I envisioned (or maybe convinced myself) that he would have gained weight/strength. With our brand new OL he will be lucky if he does not get broken in half. Being that it is July, I am def now pulling for a red shirt to let him develop, but of course I am no expert. I also have a buddy who works out with the football team, and says he is weighing in at 186..
Just thought some people might want an update.

As for Rogers....is he even enrolled?
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This is why you're a joke on here....you're citing a random poster on a message board as proof against something listed on an official website...

Yeah...it's the official website that lacks credibility...not the random poster...

As for Rogers...he's here, he's qualified, there are no reports anywhere that his eligibility is in question...your obsession with him to the point of flat out delusion over his eligibility is the epitome of pathetic
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#91
#91
yeah Bray has gained some weight but he still needs to gain about 20 more to be at his best imo.
 
#92
#92
If you actually click on Bray on the website it says he is 192. I can't believe anything
 
#93
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Dooley said:
If you actually click on Bray on the website it says he is 192. I can't believe anything
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I imagine the only thing that has been updated at this point on that site is the roster...individual profiles are still out of date
 
#94
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I was looking through the game program from the Orange and White game and the weight for the players are the same as what is posted on the website.
 
#95
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Midfielder10 said:
BS 20x over on Bray. The guy who reported Bray weighed in at 186 last week works for the UT Strength & Conditioning program. He wouldn't make that stuff up. It's possible for Bray to gain that much by the season, but i'll take the word of the strength graduate assistant who physically wrote down the weight straight off the scale of all the players over UTSports.com.
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:lolabove::lolabove::lolabove::lolabove::lolabove:
Flame away Thunder5
 
#96
#96
:eek:lol: :eek:lol::eek:lol:
superdawg51 said:
:lolabove::lolabove::lolabove::lolabove::lolabove:
Flame away Thunder5
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Seriously? This is all it takes for you to feel like your point of view has been validated?

Man that's pathetic...:eek:lol:

A random friend of Midfielder10 says Bray is actually still thin and that holds more weight (no pun intended) than an official website that is required to back up their information before releasing it?

Again...since you refuse to answer any of my factual retorts to you directly...I'll explain so that you can understand it

Offical website credibility >>>>>> random poster credibility

The fact that you clearly don't have the mental capacity to comprehend this...:lolabove::lolabove::lolabove:

I don't know why I'm surprised...you've consistently shown that verifiable facts mean nothing to you and that you'll cling to anything you possibly can to flame about UT...Bray and Rogers in particular
 
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#97
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thunder5 said:
This is why you're a joke on here....you're citing a random poster on a message board as proof against something listed on an official website...

Yeah...it's the official website that lacks credibility...not the random poster...

As for Rogers...he's here, he's qualified, there are no reports anywhere that his eligibility is in question...your obsession with him to the point of flat out delusion over his eligibility is the epitome of pathetic
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Hey, I just reposted what the guy said he saw. If you want to call him a liar take it up with him.

Yes Rogers is there.....but for how long? I for one hope he is able to take the field come Oct.
 
#99
#99
superdawg51 said:
Hey, I just reposted what the guy said he saw. If you want to call him a liar take it up with him.

Yes Rogers is there.....but for how long? I for one hope he is able to take the field come Oct.
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No..that's not all you're doing...your only purpose in coming here is to flame about players and coaches that we are all loyal to...

You never backup anything you claim with any kind of factual evidence...and when your BS is inevitably shot down you either make stuff up or cite random postings in an attempt to back out of it...

Case in point...the 2nd bolded statement...your original post that I responded to incinuated that Rogers wasn't even enrolled...when I refuted that with facts you then posted that bolded part...basically saying "Oh...okay...but for how long...bwahahahaha"...typical troll BS....

You're a worthless troll, you bring nothing but flaming troll nonsense to this board and as long as you keep posting your crap here I'm going to keep shooting it down....it's so easy it's actually kind of fun
 
#100
#100
thunder5 said:
No..that's not all you're doing...your only purpose in coming here is to flame about players and coaches that we are all loyal to...

You never backup anything you claim with any kind of factual evidence...and when your BS is inevitably shot down you either make stuff up or cite random postings in an attempt to back out of it...

Case in point...the 2nd bolded statement...your original post that I responded to incinuated that Rogers wasn't even enrolled...when I refuted that with facts you then posted that bolded part...basically saying "Oh...okay...but for how long...bwahahahaha"...typical troll BS....

You're a worthless troll, you bring nothing but flaming troll nonsense to this board and as long as you keep posting your crap here I'm going to keep shooting it down....it's so easy it's actually kind of fun
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i asked a simple question.....is Rogers even enrolled? I never questioned his eligibility. And there was no hilarity behind the statement. You fabricated that in an attenpt to discredit me. Nevertheless, you never answered the question. Where is the flame? When others on this board refute your statements it's fine and dandy but when it's me....i'm a flaming troll.

Man up and answer my questions and quit attacking me. There is a difference between a opinion and an outright flame. You, my friend are having a difficult time deciphering the two. I'm sure if the mods thought i was violating the TOS...i'd be gone.
 
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