Update on Randy Shannon, DC

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AJeray4TN said:
* Again, I am saying that it's my opinion that he IS NOT the best hire.

* Add to that, I believe it will hurt this recruiting class.
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A. I enjoyed that this convo didn't end with us just calling each other stupid.

B. I responded to your post because you began by talking about the impact of this bowl game and 'equity with recuits". I just happen to disagree with you because I don't think that matters at all to the people making the decisions, nor should it.

C. If (AND I AM NOT SAYING KS IS A SAVIOR) I told you CDD was going to hire a hs DC, and recruits would think it was a joke, but he happened to be a top 10 DC in College Football over the next 5 years, it would be a great hire. I think any fan would take a PR hit if it resulted in great production on the field. (NOT SAYING KS HAS THE BEST RESUME)
 
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NMVol said:
Agree with you or not. No one can really say your posts are not interesting.:loco:
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I just can't understand how hiring a guy off the heels of the worst bowl loss ever seems like what this program needs right now.
 
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LosAngVol said:
A. I enjoyed that this convo didn't end with us just calling each other stupid.

B. I responded to your post because you began by talking about the impact of this bowl game and 'equity with recuits". I just happen to disagree with you because I don't think that matters at all to the people making the decisions, nor should it.

C. If (AND I AM NOT SAYING KS IS A SAVIOR) I told you CDD was going to hire a hs DC, and recruits would think it was a joke, but he happened to be a top 10 DC in College Football over the next 5 years, it would be a great hire. I think any fan would take a PR hit if it resulted in great production on the field. (NOT SAYING KS HAS THE BEST RESUME)
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Fair enough. We don't disagree on everything.
 
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LosAngVol said:
Because this program needs the best possible coach, not the best PR.
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We differ here. As far as the health of this program goes, these two factors are not mutually exclusive. (IMO) As someone who makes a living in marketing, it's hard for me to ignore the past 22 months of terrible decisions.
 
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grimvol said:
Dooley don't want Randy because he knows if anything happens..Randy will be the Coach in waiting.
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shannon was a bust as HC in miami. How would he be the "coach in waiting" at UT??? :eek:hmy:
 
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Its one thing to be counter speculative in endeavors that call for emotional detachment.
Dooley can only preach failure is the bridge to success for so long. College football is a game of emotions and the perception of emotional upswing is a major factor in that dynamic.


Edit: Why would it be reasonable to think Steele could through some sort of coaching charateristic obvious only to the detatched few could instill confidence in a team that needs to build confidence? The disconnect of Steele might be awesome because he is the best available coach simply makes no sense.
 
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NMVol said:
Its one thing to be counter speculative in endeavors that call for emotional detachment.
Dooley can only preach failure is the bridge to success for so long. College football is a game of emotions and the perception of emotional upswing is a major factor in that dynamic.
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You just sent all of Volnation scrambling for a thesaurus and dictionary.
 
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LosAngVol said:
Why?
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I'm in complete agreement with AJeray on your conversation above. I hadn't read all the posts when I posted that. There's no way this would be a good move.

BTW, before the game I have been on record saying that it would be a good/great hire with either way between CRS or CKS. Then Steele got drunk and pulled his wanker out.
 
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grimvol said:
Dooley don't want Randy because he knows if anything happens..Randy will be the Coach in waiting.
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Dooley isn't Fulmer. Just judging on his general character and attitude... I doubt this is a factor AT ALL. Dooley read the book. You know. The one that says you are only as successful as the quality of people you surround yourself with.

If Shannon is their best option for DC and is available then he will be the guy.

However, these conversations remind me of conversations about potential coaches that have occurred here before. It is very possible if not likely that the next DC is neither Shannon or Steele.
 
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NMVol said:
Its one thing to be counter speculative in endeavors that call for emotional detachment.
Dooley can only preach failure is the bridge to success for so long. College football is a game of emotions and the perception of emotional upswing is a major factor in that dynamic.


Edit: Why would it be reasonable to think Steele could through some sort of coaching charateristic obvious the the detatched few could instill confidence in a team that needs to build confidence. The disconnect of Steele might be awesome because he is the best available coach simply makes no sense.
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Sure, the UT brand may get a boost for a day or two with a good PR hire, but all that matters is performance on the field. If perception could carry a defense, Monte Kiffin would be king.
 
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You know, I get it. You are just chomping at the bit for a debate. None of this is black or white. Monte Kiffen schemed pretty well against Alabama when he was here and players wanted to play for him. Steele is spoiled goods right now. Not really what our program which needs to start turning the corner right now needs. I regret that I was drawn into responding to you. This notion of delight in arguing sour is sweet is a kind of dialectical perversion.
 
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NMVol said:
You know, I get it. You are just chomping at the bit for a debate. None of this is black or white. Monte Kiffen schemed pretty well against Alabama when he was here and players wanted to play for him. Steele is spoiled goods right now. Not really what our program which needs to start turning the corner right now needs. I regret that I was drawn into responding to you. This notion of delight in arguing sour is sweet is a kind of dialectical perversion.
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Edit: And your adamant disavowal of "perception" as being a part of the game of college football, ruled be the BCS, and other polls is petty. Its not an objective endeavor. You might be a great investment analyst or gambler or some such thing but your argument with regard to some standard of coaching that does not involve perception is ludicrous.
 
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I am not arguing for the sake of argument, I just think this fanbase is way too concerned with winning the press conference when performance on the field is what counts.

If you want to go back and say Monte met expectations, I dont think that is true.

If you want to say players won't play hard for KS based on this bowl loss, I disagree with that too.

A PR boost would certainly be nice, but I can guarantee you no football game in the fall will be determined by a boost in team spirit in january.
 
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LosAngVol said:
I am not arguing for the sake of argument, I just think this fanbase is way too concerned with winning the press conference when performance on the field is what counts.

If you want to go back and say Monte met expectations, I dont think that is true.

If you want to say players won't play hard for KS based on this bowl loss, I disagree with that too.

A PR boost would certainly be nice, but I can guarantee you no football game in the fall will be determined by a boost in team spirit in january.
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I should probably cut you some slack. Its still pretty early on the west coast.
 
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I can't help but think that if RS was not interested in coaching here he would have said so by now. Surely by now he's heard the buzz. If I'm him I would want to squash the rumors before they interfered with getting a job he really does want. Just a thought.
 
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rockytop_14 said:
I can't help but think that if RS was not interested in coaching here he would have said so by now. Surely by now he's heard the buzz. If I'm him I would want to squash the rumors before they interfered with getting a job he really does want. Just a thought.
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UT is probably doing a looooong background check on Shannon.
 
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rockytop_14 said:
I can't help but think that if RS was not interested in coaching here he would have said so by now. Surely by now he's heard the buzz. If I'm him I would want to squash the rumors before they interfered with getting a job he really does want. Just a thought.
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Rumors of multiple suitors only serves to drive the demand for his services even higher. Especially when you consider a university as deep pocketed as UT. This means a better offer ($) for Mr. Shannon.
 
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Wasn't there a poster called stopit28 who was posting Youtube videos where he dressed as John Travolta from grease that said this was already a done deal??? well that was Monday so what happened?
 
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vols-1 said:
UT is probably doing a looooong background check on Shannon.
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Decent point I haven't thought about. I would think anything pertaining to him and Miami would already be known. I think the hold up(if actually exists) would be making sure he has a job after 2012.
 
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AJeray4TN said:
Rumors of multiple suitors only serves to drive the demand for his services even higher. Especially when you consider a university as deep pocketed as UT. This means a better offer ($) for Mr. Shannon.
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I can see that. But I haven't heard any recent rumors of him talking with any other programs that haven't already filled their openings. Still seems like he would have spoken up by now. The only thing I do know is that I don't know.
 
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