Update on Kirkland and JRM

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I don't really see how the uga and aTm games have much difference. Lose to aTm and Bama, suddenly Florida controls their own destiny.
 
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Bryan1 said:
Not if they drop another SEC game, because then we will still have the head to head advantage.
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Thanks for playing Scrappy. Kinda sorta what controls their own destiny means.

aTm and uga are equally important because an SEC loss is an SEC loss.
 
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volfanbill said:
Thanks for playing Scrappy. Kinda sorta what controls their own destiny means.

aTm and uga are equally important because an SEC loss is an SEC loss.
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While they are both important they are not equal. Division games are the most important and having the head to head is critical. They have to have two losses to your one if in division and you end up rooting for other teams to bail you out, not fun.
 
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volintheham said:
While they are both important they are not equal. Division games are the most important and having the head to head is critical. They have to have two losses to your one if in division and you end up rooting for other teams to bail you out, not fun.
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After Georgia's game against Ole Miss, having the one up on Georgia in head to head isn't that important anymore. The loss to aTm will hurt us just as much as a loss to uga in regards to taking the East over Florida. I get your point, but beating uga just to lose to aTm makes Bama a must win to control our SEC destiny.
 
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volfanbill said:
After Georgia's game against Ole Miss, having the one up on Georgia in head to head isn't that important anymore. The loss to aTm will hurt us just as much as a loss to uga in regards to taking the East over Florida. I get your point, but beating uga just to lose to aTm makes Bama a must win to control our SEC destiny.
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Correct, doesn't help with UF. Each SEC game is important but winning UGA means we would be completely in the drivers seat for the East with two very difficult West teams on the schedule. Do not see UF running the table with that offense.
 
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Really hoping to have DKjr close to 100% against Bama. One of my favorite players.
 
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volintheham said:
Correct, doesn't help with UF. Each SEC game is important but winning UGA means we would be completely in the drivers seat for the East with two very difficult West teams on the schedule. Do not see UF running the table with that offense.
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We beat UGA, we have wins over both them and UF in the division with both having to play each other so one will walk away with a loss from that.
 
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volintheham said:
Correct, doesn't help with UF. Each SEC game is important but winning UGA means we would be completely in the drivers seat for the East with two very difficult West teams on the schedule. Do not see UF running the table with that offense.
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Do you really see uga running the table though?
 
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I wouldn't mind seeing him play but it looked to me like the shoulder injury was more of a problem then some are realizing. He didn't look like typical JRM out there making plays and flying around the field.

Honestly, if it's hurting him that bad, he should just sit the UGA game unless things start to go south. Don't start him. I think that if our LB's play like they did against UF, we can beat UGA without him. Bates, Bituli, Jumper, McDowell, etc. all played really well.

Rest JRM and DKJR and have them both back at 90-100% by the TA&M game. That game is essentially a playoff eliminator game since we both play Bama.
 
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volintheham said:
While they are both important they are not equal. Division games are the most important and having the head to head is critical. They have to have two losses to your one if in division and you end up rooting for other teams to bail you out, not fun.
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Disagree. They are equal. Who plays in the SECCG is determined by which teams has the best overall SEC winning percentage in each division. Like he said a SEC loss is a SEC loss.

We could win every game in the E and still not get to Atlanta. We need to win 2 of next 3.

I don't see us with an E loss or UF losing another E game. But a Florida win over LSU and a loss by us to A&M then we would need a win over BAMA or a loss by Florida to Arkansas to get to Atlanta.

Beat UGA first. Lose there and we will to beat both the W teams.

Here's a link re: tie-break situations.

SEC Divisional Tie-Breaker
 
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WillisWG said:
Disagree. They are equal. Who plays in the SECCG is determined by which teams has the best overall SEC winning percentage in each division. Like he said a SEC loss is a SEC loss.

We could win every game in the E and still not get to Atlanta. We need to win 2 of next 3.

I don't see us with an E loss or UF losing another E game. But a Florida win over LSU and a loss by us to A&M then we would need a win over BAMA or a loss by Florida to Arkansas to get to Atlanta.

Beat UGA first. Lose there and we will to beat both the W teams.

Here's a link re: tie-break situations.

SEC Divisional Tie-Breaker
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We obviously need to beat UGA, but we definitely need to hope our team can split A&M and Bama. I think 10-2 would get us to ATL but it's not a guarantee.

Florida doesn't have as tough as a schedule as us, but they do play against LSU at home who is going to have some renewed energy probably now after the whole Miles debacle. Then they play AT Arkansas, which is a team that looks a heck of a lot better than originally thought. I could see them losing one if not both of those games. Florida running the table seems like an overreaction after what I saw from them on offense Saturday.
 
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Wow...this thread has drifted. JRM definitely doesn't look like himself with his banged up shoulders. I say rest him till he is healthyish. DKJ, i just hope he is ready for A&M. I really feel this team is taking a great attitude of winning the next game.
 
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volfanbill said:
Do you really see uga running the table though?
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Without any assumptions about the UT game, UGA will lose once more and probably twice to UF and/or Auburn IMO. They have not looked like a very good football team except for week one when they played UNC which was trying to figure out some new starters. If that had been a week 2 or 3 game.... UGA loses.

USCe could also sneak up and get them. I know they're a really bad team but UGA travels to USCe next Saturday and will either be on a high or bad low.
 
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WillisWG said:
Disagree. They are equal. Who plays in the SECCG is determined by which teams has the best overall SEC winning percentage in each division. Like he said a SEC loss is a SEC loss.

We could win every game in the E and still not get to Atlanta. We need to win 2 of next 3.

I don't see us with an E loss or UF losing another E game. But a Florida win over LSU and a loss by us to A&M then we would need a win over BAMA or a loss by Florida to Arkansas to get to Atlanta.

Beat UGA first. Lose there and we will to beat both the W teams.

Here's a link re: tie-break situations.

SEC Divisional Tie-Breaker
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Florida could easily lose to LSU, Ark, or UGA.

Georgia could easily sustain losses to TN and Auburn.

Both Florida and Georgia will have AT LEAST 2 SEC losses this year.

If we beat UGA and take care of the rest of the SECe, we can lose to TAMU and Bama and still easily make it to ATL because we own the tiebreakers against both FL and UGA if we beat them.

That is why winning the divisional games are more important.

Beating UGA this week means EVERYTHING in terms of how easily we can make it to ATL.
 
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I very much doubt Kirkland plays this week. You most definitely do not want to risk re-injuring the high ankle, as that would cause him to miss another few games. Better to let him rest/rehab it another week and hope he can play in texas.

RE JRM: He's dressing but, if I'm Jones, I don't play him unless I have to. Let him rest the shoulder another week, if possible. We ought to be able to beat georgia without him.
 
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volinbama256 said:
GA is way more important than A&M-- GA is for winning the east .... If he can play Saturday, go for it, rest him A&M and then go full speed at Bama...
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You do realize it is overall SEC record right? If we don't beat at least 1 of the 2, A&M or Bama we are out. Florida has the easier road through the conference.
 
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Is there any update on Sutton other than an "extended period of time"?
 
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armchair said:
I very much doubt Kirkland plays this week. You most definitely do not want to risk re-injuring the high ankle, as that would cause him to miss another few games. Better to let him rest/rehab it another week and hope he can play in texas.

RE JRM: He's dressing but, if I'm Jones, I don't play him unless I have to. Let him rest the shoulder another week, if possible. We ought to be able to beat georgia without him.
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Agree 100%. UGA may or may not be playing good football this coming Saturday, but, unlike many of you guys who're figuring on 1 or 2 losses within this 4 game gauntlet, UT's coaches are going to balance this agenda best-they-can to win 'em all. DKJ won't play ...or at the very least very sparingly...and only if needed badly. Same for JRM. If the overall perception is true; that the dawgs are real dogs, then Butch is going to keep them out and let them heal, with the bonus of more reps for the rest of the LB crew. Beating UGA AND TAMU will give far greater significance to the third Saturday in October. AMIRIGHT?:yes:
 
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volfanbill said:
After Georgia's game against Ole Miss, having the one up on Georgia in head to head isn't that important anymore. The loss to aTm will hurt us just as much as a loss to uga in regards to taking the East over Florida. I get your point, but beating uga just to lose to aTm makes Bama a must win to control our SEC destiny.
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You do realize that if we lose to Georgia, the Bulldogs control their own destiny to Atlanta.

If we beat Georgia, we have a 3 game lead on them and a 2 game lead on Florida with the head to head tiebreakers. I am baffled how anyone can sit here and say that the A&M game is of equal importance in the race for Atlanta. That's simply not true.
 
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Did anybody expect to see what happened to Georgia by Ole Miss? ANYTHING can happen in the SEC. Vols have to be all in for this one or else it can and will bite them in the buttocks. From week to week things can change quickly. Looking beyond Ga to A nd M would be a huge mistake.
 
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DismantleVol said:
You do realize that if we lose to Georgia, the Bulldogs control their own destiny to Atlanta.

If we beat Georgia, we have a 3 game lead on them and a 2 game lead on Florida with the head to head tiebreakers. I am baffled how anyone can sit here and say that the A&M game is of equal importance in the race for Atlanta. That's simply not true.
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Exactly, I know people don't expect UGA to win out, but if they beat us, then they are likely better than everyone is giving them credit for (that or the odds of us losing one of our last 4 conference games is decent). Upsets happen all the time, and I think UGA has as good of a chance at making the SECCG as UF does at this point, if not better because UGA at least still controls their destiny.
 
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DismantleVol said:
You do realize that if we lose to Georgia, the Bulldogs control their own destiny to Atlanta.

If we beat Georgia, we have a 3 game lead on them and a 2 game lead on Florida with the head to head tiebreakers. I am baffled how anyone can sit here and say that the A&M game is of equal importance in the race for Atlanta. That's simply not true.
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Florida and Georgia also still have to play each other.
 
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xTRAVASSx said:
You do realize it is overall SEC record right? If we don't beat at least 1 of the 2, A&M or Bama we are out. Florida has the easier road through the conference.
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UF still plays Arkansas and LSU. I suspect one or two losses there. If they run it out.... then they'll have a great chance to win the East. I just doubt they'll do it with this team, this year.

Also, LSU followed by Mizzou and then UGA followed by Arkansas after a bye week look a bit tougher than they did at the start of the season.

By no means is their path as difficult as UT's.... but it is looks a little tougher than it did.

Also.... you do know that in division records end up mattering if there's a tie, right? In that respect, a win over UGA could be more important if there's a tie for the division at the end. In fact, the way the rules are a win vs UGA would almost guarantee them the East unless UF or UGA gets much better and loses only 1.
 
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