Unreal Stat Re Pruitt & Fulmer

#76
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Girth Brooks said:
So, you’re a Pruitt fan because he can’t develop talent that could’ve enlisted to play anywhere in the country?

Stop the BS about how we lack SEC talent, when most of these guys were recruited to FL, UGA, AL, LSU, Clemson, aTm, etc. That excuse has run its course. This is Pruitt’s team, and it will go as he does. Right now, it’s squarely in the septic tank.
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I've never stated I am a Pruitt fan. I just dont believe cutting bait at this point is the best move.

You may not like that reason, may be tired of it. Doesn't make it untrue.
 
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Booker512 said:
I will never expect Tennessee to beat Bama or Georgia or even Oklahoma next season. I’m not an idiot and I don’t have unrealistic expectations.

But I DO expect a coach to be able to come here and at least take care of our cupcakes convincingly. No close games against group of 5 teams. Then I want us to beat our traditional punching bag teams: Vandy, SCar, KY.

I mean, you do those basic things and you’re 7-5 most years around here. Especially given the fact we out recruit everyone but Bama and Georgia and Florida some years. I mean good lord, please find someone that can line our defense up correctly at least HALF the time :rolleyes:
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Yep. Having less than elite talent explains why Tennessee would be "stuck" around 8-4/9-3 and held out of competing for division titles. It simply does not explain how our average season since 2008 has been about 5-6 wins.

In any given year, we really shouldn't be worse than about 7 wins given the schedule we play. If we have subpar talent relative to our rivals, then we should only be losing about 4 games a year, 5 tops. Not 6, 7, 8, or 9.
 
#78
#78
McDad said:
You're flailing about hoping to find a cogent argument which explains the mire we are in right now and have been in for years. Every time a point is made contradicting an excuse (even one which you acknowledge), another ready-made excuse is offered. We are where we are because of bad coaching hires and bad administrative decisions. Pruitt is just as much culpable as Dooley, Butch, et al.
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I think you are drunk this morning.

I am not flailing at anything. This program had rot in it before Pruitt got here. Our S&C program was a disaster. Not debatable.
 
#79
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allvol123 said:
I think you are drunk this morning.

I am not flailing at anything. This program had rot in it before Pruitt got here. Our S&C program was a disaster. Not debatable.
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Don't drink. And it is a sure sign of a weak position to cast aspersions my way.
 
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Im sure the game of football hasn’t changed much in the last 10 years. It’s not like the game doesn’t favor offensive football. Look at the NFL. They score more than ever. I don’t really think you can compare the two.
 
#81
#81
unfrozencvmanvol said:
I heard this last night and checked it, Pruitt now has more 25+ point losses (7) in 16 games than Fulmer had (6) in 16 seasons. Fulmer will put a stop to this clown show if it continues.
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Yea... Bye the way Fulmer had a full roster of fairly good well coached experienced players who showed the results of 7+ years of building a strong foundation with a stable staff...... And Pruitt had what coming in????
 
#83
#83
Booker512 said:
The cupboard ain’t bare here either. We have more talent on this team than 85% of the teams in the country if you go by composite recruiting rankings. We are just as talented as Florida. Ya know, that 10 win team last year that just blew us out? They do not have a single 5 star player on that team.
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I’m not so sure about our talent level. Especially at some key positions. At QB we have a guy that is clearly worse than his recruiting ranking and two 3* dudes with underwhelming offer lists. Outside of Calloway, how many of our WRs were highly ranked? Who wanted Tim Jordan out of high school?
 
#84
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McDad said:
Don't drink. And it is a sure sign of a weak position to cast aspersions my way.
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That's a shame.

My position is fine. Our best 3 o lineman are 2 freshman and a guy that has been dealing with a life threatening condition for 2 years.

Anyone thinking the cabinet is not bare and we have not also had systemic development failures in S&C is lost.
 
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The Original Fade said:
I’m not so sure about our talent level. Especially at some key positions. At QB we have a guy that is clearly worse than his recruiting ranking and two 3* dudes with underwhelming offer lists. Outside of Calloway, how many of our WRs were highly ranked? Who wanted Tim Jordan out of high school?
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I’m not saying we have Ohio’s state talent. I’m not saying we have SEC east winning talent. But we have enough guys to beat BYU and Georgia state and at least play with florida.

Mizzou, Ky, SCar all have a ton of no-bodies on those teams as well. Doesn’t seem to stop them from winning more games than us every season.
 
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Booker512 said:
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I’ll keep sharing this quote by Urban Meyer until I stop seeing people say “Pruitt needs his guys”. That is a cop out excuse. Period.
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This Meyer statement need his description of "player" I don't think he has ever walked into a satiation like is facing Pruitt. Also I don't think that is what is or has driven him insane...
 
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Booker512 said:
The cupboard ain’t bare here either. We have more talent on this team than 85% of the teams in the country if you go by composite recruiting rankings. We are just as talented as Florida. Ya know, that 10 win team last year that just blew us out? They do not have a single 5 star player on that team.
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Just goes to show that when you get past the obvious top level of high school players, I mean the ones that truly are head and shoulders above the crop, the "rating system" is very little better than any true football follower can predict. It becomes a hit and miss game guessing how a kid will turn out.
 
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#91
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Alto1 said:
Sad part is, Pruitt took the opposite approach as Urban.
He promoted it.
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And he’s getting the opposite results as Urban.

Imagine that.

Maybe when you win 3 national championships you know something about being a leader.

You might be a little sleazy....but the most successful leaders often are sleazy. Just the nature of it.
 
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McDad said:
Then allvol123's point is invalid and inconsequential.

...And, just to be clear, I do not consider Kiffin an "elite" level coach.
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How?

I don't think he is either. He was a HC before he got here. He made his mistakes as a HC too. I'm not motivated enough to search Urban's history and the history of the program he took over as his first HC job. It really wouldn't prove much either way, but he obviously learned what he knows now in a tamer environment.
 
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savannahfan said:
Just goes to show that when you get past the obvious top level of high school players, I mean the ones that truly are head and shoulders above the crop, the "rating system" is very little better than any true football follower can predict. It becomes a hit and miss game guessing how a kid will turn out.
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Speaking of that! I found this Urban Meyer quote when I was trying to find the other one last night. Fits what you just said perfectly
 
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The Original Fade said:
I’m not so sure about our talent level. Especially at some key positions. At QB we have a guy that is clearly worse than his recruiting ranking and two 3* dudes with underwhelming offer lists. Outside of Calloway, how many of our WRs were highly ranked? Who wanted Tim Jordan out of high school?
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Glad you asked.

- Trey Smith was a 5-star and the top prospect in the country according to ESPN. Had offers from Alabama, Ohio St, Auburn, Clemson, Florida, Georgia, Notre Dame, Michigan, Texas A&M, and LSU, among others.
- JG was a borderline 5-star. Had offers from Alabama, Auburn, Clemson, LSU, Notre Dame, Ohio St, Oklahoma, and Penn St, among others.
- Ty Chandler was a borderline 5-star. Had offers from Auburn, Florida, Georgia, LSU, Michigan, Notre Dame, Ohio St, and USC, among others.
- Nigel Warrior was a borderline 5-star. Had offers from Alabama, Auburn, LSU, Ohio St, Clemson, Florida, Georgia, Notre Dame, Oklahoma, and Penn St, among others.
- Bituli was a 4-star. Had offers from Auburn, Florida, LSU, Notre Dame, Ohio St, and Oklahoma, among others.
- Jennings was a 4-star. Had offers from Alabama, Auburn, Ohio St, and Penn St, among others.
- Eric Gray was a 4-star. Had offers from Michigan, Penn St, Alabama, Florida, LSU, and Texas A&M, among others.
- Darrell Taylor was a 4-star. Had offers from Florida, Notre Dame, Ohio St, Penn St, and Virginia Tech, among others.
- Palmer was just a 3-star, but did have offers from Michigan and Penn St, among others.

Also look at the offer lists of some Butch busts like Khalil McKenzie, Kongbo, and Kyle Philips.

I imagine you singled out Jordan because he was, by far, the most lightly recruited of the bunch. His only other FBS offers were from North Carolina and Purdue. I could go on and on and on, but I think you get the point. These guys were recruited by every top program in the country.

But the cupboard's bare and that's why we can't beat Vandy, right?

Is there a single player on Vandy's roster that had an offer list like any of the players above?
 
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Girth Brooks said:
So, you’re a Pruitt fan because he can’t develop talent that could’ve enlisted to play anywhere in the country?

Stop the BS about how we lack SEC talent, when most of these guys were recruited to FL, UGA, AL, LSU, Clemson, aTm, etc. That excuse has run its course. This is Pruitt’s team, and it will go as he does. Right now, it’s squarely in the septic tank.
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Well stated. All facts! 👍
 
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Booker512 said:
The cupboard ain’t bare here either. We have more talent on this team than 85% of the teams in the country if you go by composite recruiting rankings. We are just as talented as Florida. Ya know, that 10 win team last year that just blew us out? They do not have a single 5 star player on that team.
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I understand what your saying when you talk about recruiting composites. However sometimes those are far from being correct.....JG is a prime example.
 
#99
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Behr said:
How?

I don't think he is either. He was a HC before he got here. He made his mistakes as a HC too. I'm not motivated enough to search Urban's history and the history of the program he took over as his first HC job. It really wouldn't prove much either way, but he obviously learned what he knows now in a tamer environment.
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Agreed. Head coaches need a proving ground to get the bugs worked out. \ It is why your posts about UT Administration "getting a coach search right this time [sarcasm]" are 100% right. We have another coach project. That project is failing. And, we are stuck no matter the suck.
 
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