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#76
#76
Clayton said:
Maybe you missed my central point. Both Saban and Kirby are going to be successful with the NIL just like they are now. It's wishful thinking that they all of a sudden are going to drop off with regard to talent and winning but they will not. Just mark my words they will thrive in the area of the NIL
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Their advantage will linger, I think, but only because "success begets success." They have played for national titles a lot recently, so players will continue to be attracted to them in the short term in hopes of a repeat.

But--if you believe Alabama cheated in recruiting like few other programs in the nation, over a period of many decades and in a way that is ultra-fine-tuned as a result of all that experience--their core advantage is disappearing, thanks to NIL. In fact, as @kcvols1 points out, Bama's long-standing advantage now turns into a financial disadvantage.

And as NIL levels the playing field, or at least shifts it in favor of programs like ours who thrive in the new environment, Bama and UGa will have less and less of a monopoly on SEC titles and CFP berths. And that will spell an end to even their reputational advantage.

I see all of this playing out over the next five years. It shouldn't take any longer than that. Which is why I firmly believe, (a) the Vols are going to start beating Bama on the field soon, and (b) Saban is going to retire in not too many years. I'm hoping that (a) causes (b), in fact.

Go Vols!
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Just like NIL was gonna be a nightmare for them right? No it won’t.
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Correct. Bama has the money, history and reputation for putting talent into the NFL. Things will no doubt change when Saban retires, but while he's there, bama will continue to lead the pack no matter what rules there are or how they're changed. I don't know that UT has the ability to compete on the recruiting trail in football the way we all hope.

Speaking for myself, the game has changed in a way that's foreign to me. I don't see it the same way and don't feel the excitement for the coming season like I once did. I view it much as I do the NFL now. It's not a team filled with players I can get to know and become attached to. No point since names will come and go annually. For old guys like me, the game has lost it's soul and is more a distraction than a passion like it once was. From having my fanny in the terrace every home Saturday to recording the game and maybe watching it later....how things have changed for this old Vol. Sad...just sad.
 
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SGMVols said:
The rules do not allow NIL deals to be conditioned on a player’s attendance at a particular school.
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Yeah but they can be conditioned to make public appearances at events around particular towns.

If someone leaves Knoxville for Columbus OH it will get real hard to travel and make those appearances to not void you contract.
 
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CAVPUT said:
Correct. Bama has the money, history and reputation for putting talent into the NFL. Things will no doubt change when Saban retires, but while he's there, bama will continue to lead the pack no matter what rules there are or how they're changed. I don't know that UT has the ability to compete on the recruiting trail in football the way we all hope.

Speaking for myself, the game has changed in a way that's foreign to me. I don't see it the same way and don't feel the excitement for the coming season like I once did. I view it much as I do the NFL now. It's not a team filled with players I can get to know and become attached to. No point since names will come and go annually. For old guys like me, the game has lost it's soul and is more a distraction than a passion like it once was. From having my fanny in the terrace every home Saturday to recording the game and maybe watching it later....how things have changed for this old Vol. Sad...just sad.
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I can sympathize with your second paragraph. But then, looking at the 2-deep, the large majority of our players still came to us the old fashioned way, even with all of our turmoil. So, I wonder if the reality of the game has changed that much or if there is just a lot more focus on extraneous things. It will be great to see fall camp start and start hearing about football!
 
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#82
burntorangeVOLffle said:
Yeah but they can be conditioned to make public appearances at events around particular towns.

If someone leaves Knoxville for Columbus OH it will get real hard to travel and make those appearances to not void you contract.
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Also they’re almost all one-year deals at this point.

Value of the deals rise and fall with the players’ performance and actions. Multi-year deals in this context are inherently too risky to sustain.
 
#83
#83
It's gonna hurt some and help some.
A mediocre team gets an under-rated player who becomes a star on that team, then transfers to a title contender in year 2-3.

The top 5-10 schools are gonna be robbing other teams of talent like crazy.
 
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CAVPUT said:
Correct. Bama has the money, history and reputation for putting talent into the NFL. Things will no doubt change when Saban retires, but while he's there, bama will continue to lead the pack no matter what rules there are or how they're changed. I don't know that UT has the ability to compete on the recruiting trail in football the way we all hope.

Speaking for myself, the game has changed in a way that's foreign to me. I don't see it the same way and don't feel the excitement for the coming season like I once did. I view it much as I do the NFL now. It's not a team filled with players I can get to know and become attached to. No point since names will come and go annually. For old guys like me, the game has lost it's soul and is more a distraction than a passion like it once was. From having my fanny in the terrace every home Saturday to recording the game and maybe watching it later....how things have changed for this old Vol. Sad...just sad.
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14 years of not being competitive to outright sucking tends to drain the fun out.

I remember in 2008 sarcastically telling my friend I can’t wait to watch the revolving door of coaches we are about to go through. Here we are 5 coaches later.

Heup put an exciting offense on the field last year so I’m excited to see if we make any noise this season.
 
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kcvols1 said:
Because that leads to pay for play, and not pay for a player’s name, image, or likeness.
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But the value of NIL is diluted if a player skips around. So the contract could stipulate that he stays put with one (unspecified) team for at least two years to build the brand.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
Honestly, it should help team culture, because those that believe they are better than they really are will go elsewhere and free up resources for those who want to be here.

Only a little over 50% of the players that enter the transfer portal end up playing football at another school in FBS.

Sometimes being a career backup or role player and getting a free education is better than rolling the dice and hoping another teams sees you as a diamond in the rough.
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VAVol85 said:
But the value of NIL is diluted if a player skips around. So the contract could stipulate that he stays put with one (unspecified) team for at least two years to build the brand.
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Yes, skipping around would dilute a player’s brand. That’s incentive enough for the player to remain and grind absent extenuating circumstances. Better to make them earn it year-to-year than tie your dough up for more than a year in what is very likely to become a less valuable deal in year 2. In the highly unlikely event the NIL increases in value, at least you’ll be paying FMV and not having $ tied up for something of lesser value.

Besides, a contract with the terms you suggest would be against the law in some jurisdictions, and against NCAA rules.

Finally, stipulations are generally for facts in litigation, not contracts.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
Their advantage will linger, I think, but only because "success begets success." They have played for national titles a lot recently, so players will continue to be attracted to them in the short term in hopes of a repeat.

But--if you believe Alabama cheated in recruiting like few other programs in the nation, over a period of many decades and in a way that is ultra-fine-tuned as a result of all that experience--their core advantage is disappearing, thanks to NIL. In fact, as @kcvols1 points out, Bama's long-standing advantage now turns into a financial disadvantage.

And as NIL levels the playing field, or at least shifts it in favor of programs like ours who thrive in the new environment, Bama and UGa will have less and less of a monopoly on SEC titles and CFP berths. And that will spell an end to even their reputational advantage.

I see all of this playing out over the next five years. It shouldn't take any longer than that. Which is why I firmly believe, (a) the Vols are going to start beating Bama on the field soon, and (b) Saban is going to retire in not too many years. I'm hoping that (a) causes (b), in fact.

Go Vols!
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One factor everyone seems to be forgetting and wants to ignore is that Saban is the goat. Let me repeat myself I am not an Alabama fan. But one thing you will hear over and over again from every coach that has worked with him is that he is relentless and that he works 24/7. How can he continue to win national championships despite having a coaching turnover that he does as well as as many players drafted as he does. Of course it's recruiting but he is the most detail oriented human being there is in college football. If you read some articles on him written by other coaches you'll understand what I'm saying. His books are also great to read and he is very motivational. This is not a love Saban thread but this is acknowledging that we are living in a time where we are seeing probably the greatest college football coach that has lived and we get to watch his work. It's easy to attack him but I sit back with admiration at his accomplishments. Any of us would want a coach just like him for our school. Because he beats all of our rear ends on most every Saturday it doesn't have to be that he's cheating but if he is I guess he's doing it so much better than all of our coaches. My only real point is that our coaches should emulate his work ethic
 
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Clayton said:
One factor everyone seems to be forgetting and wants to ignore is that Saban is the goat. Let me repeat myself I am not an Alabama fan. But one thing you will hear over and over again from every coach that has worked with him is that he is relentless and that he works 24/7. How can he continue to win national championships despite having a coaching turnover that he does as well as as many players drafted as he does. Of course it's recruiting but he is the most detail oriented human being there is in college football. If you read some articles on him written by other coaches you'll understand what I'm saying. His books are also great to read and he is very motivational. This is not a love Saban thread but this is acknowledging that we are living in a time where we are seeing probably the greatest college football coach that has lived and we get to watch his work. It's easy to attack him but I sit back with admiration at his accomplishments. Any of us would want a coach just like him for our school. Because he beats all of our rear ends on most every Saturday it doesn't have to be that he's cheating but if he is I guess he's doing it so much better than all of our coaches. My only real point is that our coaches should emulate his work ethic
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I'm with you on Saban probably being--quite literally--the greatest college football coach of all time. His accomplishments alone argue that point forcefully.

But I don't want Josh Heupel to emulate Saban. I want him and his assistant coaches to do what works for them. They are not Nick. If they try to be Nick, they will fail.

And no, Kirby Smart is not succeeding because he emulates Saban. He is succeeding because, while he learned a lot from Saban, he is applying it in his own way. Remember, for every Saban assistant coach who has gone on to great success, there are two or three who did not. If you don't believe this, just keep repeating the mantra: Derek Dooley, Jim McElwain, Will Muschamp, ....

Josh Heupel just needs to be Josh Heupel. He's having pretty good success so far without trying to be anyone else.

Go Vols!
 
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Clayton said:
One factor everyone seems to be forgetting and wants to ignore is that Saban is the goat. Let me repeat myself I am not an Alabama fan. But one thing you will hear over and over again from every coach that has worked with him is that he is relentless and that he works 24/7. How can he continue to win national championships despite having a coaching turnover that he does as well as as many players drafted as he does. Of course it's recruiting but he is the most detail oriented human being there is in college football. If you read some articles on him written by other coaches you'll understand what I'm saying. His books are also great to read and he is very motivational. This is not a love Saban thread but this is acknowledging that we are living in a time where we are seeing probably the greatest college football coach that has lived and we get to watch his work. It's easy to attack him but I sit back with admiration at his accomplishments. Any of us would want a coach just like him for our school. Because he beats all of our rear ends on most every Saturday it doesn't have to be that he's cheating but if he is I guess he's doing it so much better than all of our coaches. My only real point is that our coaches should emulate his work ethic
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Nick does not have a life except Football and money. He has the best players money can buy and that is why he cried like a little kid against Jimbo. The field is being leveled with NIL and folks are getting in his sand box. The goat wasn't the goat at LSU or Michigan St - I wonder why? This unlimited transfer rule will push this old dude out. Thank god because he is all about paroday in NCAA football- bummer beating teams by 20 to 30 points a game. Dude needs to go sooner the better.
 
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