Uniform/Helmet/Shoe design thread (merged)

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Vol865 said:
There's ladies on the football team?
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Thread title has Vol uniform in it...the girls wear them too...heard it here first! :thumbsup: Don't get distracted by the helmet in the title...that's for people talking about specifically football uniforms...but you can talk about other uniforms...I asked.
 
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Volfanj1398 said:
There is no super secret Web site I told you where they sre. Go read for yOurself. I don't care if you believe me or nit. Go watch the sport source from this Morning, read the emails. Nothing is a secret anymore, now the fans will find out what Hart n nike are doung,
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You said,"they are on the Save the Lady Vols site. All the emails are there." I found 3 separate "Save the Lady Vol" sites and do you know how many of them had these emails on them? 0. If you would like to link them so everyone here can see them, go right ahead.

Volfanj1398 said:
you really sound like Hart , if you say hush enough we go away. It's not going to happen . The Tennessean had some of the emails, dead spin and save the Lady vols all have pages of them the news sentinel even has some of them go look seek the truth
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You must talk to Dave Hart quite a bit if he tells you to shut up a lot, but then again, it's probably because you ramble on about nothing a lot.

Considering the fact that YOU accused UT of these things, YOU have the responsibility to PROVE your claims. If you can't, we must assume you are MAKING. SH*T. UP. And, since your claims have ALREADY been refuted by a source INSIDE the A.D. at UT, I'd say you ARE making sh*t up.

For the record, I've read the Nike audit and the sensationalist pieces from Tennessean and Deadspin, nothing I read concerns me. Nike noticed how passionate our fanbase is, how crazy and argumentative Vol Nation can get over the tiniest things (like a black outline on an away uniform), and how quickly word can spread between us. Nike said to the Athletic Dept, "Holy sh*t, if the people don't like, say, the number font, they'll have a cow. Best not to tell everyone what the product will look like before it's finished, or people will incite riot and attack the school over nothing." For instance, LIKE YOU ARE DOING RIGHT NOW.
 
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butchna said:
Thread title has Vol uniform in it...the girls wear them too...heard it here first! :thumbsup: Don't get distracted by the helmet in the title...that's for people talking about specifically football uniforms...but you can talk about other uniforms...I asked.
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Well I mean it is a thread in the Tennessee Vols Football subforum, just saying.
 
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1. **** Deadspin. It's a liberal rag with nothing better to do than create faux outrage on social media. You'd all be better off reading it less.
2. Someone correct me if I'm wrong here, but as I understand it the UT athletic department receives exactly $0 in taxpayer funding and operates essentially as its own entity with regards to business deals, which nullifies entirely the author's point about Tennessee being a public institution and therefore open to her personal audit at any time she chooses.
3. You seriously mean to tell me that at least some of you have never negotiated business agreements that required confidentiality on the part of the negotiating parties? You mean to tell me that you've never walked into a room for a technical briefing and been handed a NDA before you could even sit down? Some news: This is now how the world works. Nike has every right to expect confidentiality in the process, even if their approach was ham-fisted.
 
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DeerPark12 said:
Administration wanted to stick by its previous statement of keeping the traditional helmet.

There's a alternate helmet designed to go with the Smokey gray alternate, but there was also one for the previous sets that was never worn. It was never even ordered.
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Would really love to see an orange helmet with white T for our white top/orange pants away uniforms.
I know there is some concern about having the oranges match. But, if the pants manufacturer and the Vols managers painting the helmets use the same Pantone color number, wouldn't that work?
 
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Volngeorgia said:
Would really love to see an orange helmet with white T for our white top/orange pants away uniforms.
I know there is some concern about having the oranges match. But, if the pants manufacturer and the Vols managers painting the helmets use the same Pantone color number, wouldn't that work?
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Not necessarily. Different materials will show the color in different ways.
 
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NashVOL93 said:
1. **** Deadspin. It's a liberal rag with nothing better to do than create faux outrage on social media. You'd all be better off reading it less.
2. Someone correct me if I'm wrong here, but as I understand it the UT athletic department receives exactly $0 in taxpayer funding and operates essentially as its own entity with regards to business deals, which nullifies entirely the author's point about Tennessee being a public institution and therefore open to her personal audit at any time she chooses.
3. You seriously mean to tell me that at least some of you have never negotiated business agreements that required confidentiality on the part of the negotiating parties? You mean to tell me that you've never walked into a room for a technical briefing and been handed a NDA before you could even sit down? Some news: This is now how the world works. Nike has every right to expect confidentiality in the process, even if their approach was ham-fisted.
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1. I disagree on this point, Deadspin offers to tread where many media outlets do not, into areas that should be investigated but "traditional" media won't go because of business partnerships. Obviously, I disagree with their point in this case, but I love the site and the work they do.

2. While the department receives no state funding, it is still an activity of a state institution and all of its employees are state employees. The athletic department is 100% bound by open records laws and requests. That includes any and all written and electronic communication.

3. While it's true "this is now how the world works," as a public institution, UT is still bound by the open records laws. They can certainly negotiate in private and develop plans in private, but once the deal is signed, any documents become a public record. Nike knows this, it is the case at every public school that they do business with all over the country.
 
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Volngeorgia said:
Would really love to see an orange helmet with white T for our white top/orange pants away uniforms.
I know there is some concern about having the oranges match. But, if the pants manufacturer and the Vols managers painting the helmets use the same Pantone color number, wouldn't that work?
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Managers don't paint helmets, there is a design company, HydroGraphics, Inc. that does that for any custom designs.

HGI has tried on several occasions to come up with a shade of orange with the proper finish to match the jerseys/pants, but because of how light our orange is, it won't always match under certain lights. They can create a shade that matches in daylight, but then you play under the lights and it looks different.
 
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DeerPark12 said:
Managers don't paint helmets, there is a design company, HydroGraphics, Inc. that does that for any custom designs.

HGI has tried on several occasions to come up with a shade of orange with the proper finish to match the jerseys/pants, but because of how light our orange is, it won't always match under certain lights. They can create a shade that matches in daylight, but then you play under the lights and it looks different.
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There is ways around this. We could use Gray, or a metallic type orange, or even a chrome. That way, the shades don't have to be exact
 
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VolForLife83 said:
There is ways around this. We could use Gray, or a metallic type orange, or even a chrome. That way, the shades don't have to be exact
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Agreed. Since when did orange become any harder to match up with any different colors?

Oregon matches their helmet to their uniforms every week. And their color scheme seems a lot more ambitious than just orange and white.

Just my 2 cents.
 
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IndianapolisVol said:
Agreed. Since when did orange become any harder to match up with any different colors?

Oregon matches their helmet to their uniforms every week. And their color scheme seems a lot more ambitious than just orange and white.

Just my 2 cents.
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Since always.

The light shade we use is particularly sensitive to color match because it gets lighter under sun and TV lights. Always has.

So while a helmet, jersey, and pants may match sitting on a desk in the equipment room, put them under the lights at Neyland Stadium and this board will blow up with complaints about our mismatched oranges.
 
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DeerPark12 said:
Managers don't paint helmets, there is a design company, HydroGraphics, Inc. that does that for any custom designs.

HGI has tried on several occasions to come up with a shade of orange with the proper finish to match the jerseys/pants, but because of how light our orange is, it won't always match under certain lights. They can create a shade that matches in daylight, but then you play under the lights and it looks different.
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So wear them with the grey uniforms and/or all white uniforms and the problem is solved. I doubt a slight mismatch of the orange outlining on those uniforms would be noticeable.
 
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DeerPark12 said:
Since always.

The light shade we use is particularly sensitive to color match because it gets lighter under sun and TV lights. Always has.

So while a helmet, jersey, and pants may match sitting on a desk in the equipment room, put them under the lights at Neyland Stadium and this board will blow up with complaints about our mismatched oranges.
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Understatement of the decade! This place is always on standby for a good meltdown.
 
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DeerPark12 said:
1. I disagree on this point, Deadspin offers to tread where many media outlets do not, into areas that should be investigated but "traditional" media won't go because of business partnerships. Obviously, I disagree with their point in this case, but I love the site and the work they do.

2. While the department receives no state funding, it is still an activity of a state institution and all of its employees are state employees. The athletic department is 100% bound by open records laws and requests. That includes any and all written and electronic communication.

3. While it's true "this is now how the world works," as a public institution, UT is still bound by the open records laws. They can certainly negotiate in private and develop plans in private, but once the deal is signed, any documents become a public record. Nike knows this, it is the case at every public school that they do business with all over the country.
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Your personal opinion on Deadspin is your business. However, they've taken to social justice warrior-ing more than I care for as of late, so I don't subsidize them with my clicks any further. They lost me completely when they tried to rake Clay Travis over the coals for pointing out the obvious apparently without even realizing that they used to employ him to do the same thing. I don't even like Clay, so then I was doubly pissed that I had to agree with him.

The point made in the article (and subsequently clarified upon in the comment section by the author) was that Tennessee's AD is subsidized by state taxpayers (incorrect) and therefore its private, in-progress negotiations are also subject to her personal audit (also incorrect).

Once the deal is signed, the school should take whatever steps counsel deems appropriate to maintain legal compliance with regards to the release of records and information, but that wasn't the thrust of my original comment. Dave Hart had and still has a right to negotiate in privacy, which he appears to have taken advantage of.

All this being said, it makes zero sense that they kept Lady Vols just for basketball and eliminated it for other sports that still exist, but whatever.
 
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