"Unacceptable" "Very disappointed" "Lethargic" "Leadership needs to step up"

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I saw another thread that cherry picked CBJs comment that there was "no need to panic" which came after he blasted his team, his coaches and himself for an overall piss poor performance. I thought it muscharacterized his attitude and message. Some of y'all should really read articles and not headlines

I welcome the ass chewing because I think the players reflect the coaches fire. When you read the player post game comments they are still talking about injuries and their lost teammates and how hard it is. Suck it up.

Jones sent a pretty clear message
- Injuries aren't an excuse versus the talent we are playing
- There needs to be on field leadership
- He won't put up with lethargy
- He knows his seat is hot

I translate it to mean that Kelly will be playing more and Dobbs may not finish the year as a starter. I also forecast a Mike Debord departure this year. But most worrisome is that I think Butch has a team of talented individuals focused more in staying healthy before the NFL combine.

For the RBs - I kind of get it as this team and scheme put them at risk.

For everyone else - no excuses. Dobbs has made decisions and throws this year that he has never made in his career. He isn't reading defenses. I personally think next years starter is being redshirted and that Dormandy shouldn't start. Our best QB is JG. Besides Jennings our WR and TEs are playing mediocre at best. Our safeties and CBs playing awful. Maybe Sutton can juice them back up.
 
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Way to ruin the season, Butch. No amount of coach speak should save his job. They could've left him at the airport.
 
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I expect extreme coaching changes, also personnel changes. More Kelly, more young guys getting reps, possibly Dormady. I don't think he burns JG's redshirt. If Butch wants to be here he will hire an OC that will run a similar offense but will change it up. Also a QB coach. If he doesn't want to be here we see minimal changes and next year will be his last year
 
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UneducatedGuess said:
I saw another thread that cherry picked CBJs comment that there was "no need to panic" which came after he blasted his team, his coaches and himself for an overall piss poor performance. I thought it muscharacterized his attitude and message. Some of y'all should really read articles and not headlines

I welcome the ass chewing because I think the players reflect the coaches fire. When you read the player post game comments they are still talking about injuries and their lost teammates and how hard it is. Suck it up.

Jones sent a pretty clear message
- Injuries aren't an excuse versus the talent we are playing
- There needs to be on field leadership
- He won't put up with lethargy
- He knows his seat is hot

I translate it to mean that Kelly will be playing more and Dobbs may not finish the year as a starter. I also forecast a Mike Debord departure this year. But most worrisome is that I think Butch has a team of talented individuals focused more in staying healthy before the NFL combine.

For the RBs - I kind of get it as this team and scheme put them at risk.

For everyone else - no excuses. Dobbs has made decisions and throws this year that he has never made in his career. He isn't reading defenses. I personally think next years starter is being redshirted and that Dormandy shouldn't start. Our best QB is JG. Besides Jennings our WR and TEs are playing mediocre at best. Our safeties and CBs playing awful. Maybe Sutton can juice them back up.
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Vanderbilt football personnel told me they have heard ut is dealing with chemistry problems due to Hurd. Doesn't mean it's true, but I'm sure they have inside info to at least some stuff. Lots of personnel guys move from job to job inside the SEC and they remain friends with people they used to work with.
 
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Vols_14 said:
I expect extreme coaching changes, also personnel changes. More Kelly, more young guys getting reps, possibly Dormady. I don't think he burns JG's redshirt. If Butch wants to be here he will hire an OC that will run a similar offense but will change it up. Also a QB coach. If he doesn't want to be here we see minimal changes and next year will be his last year
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I think whatever changes we see come post the UF/Arky game. It would make sense, right? I mean we needed another UF loss regardless. And we all looked at LSU as that loss.

But Arky does have a chance to beat UF. If they did, I for one would not be shocked. Then we are right back where we were before the SC game even started: eyes on the Tigers.

So before we start jerking redshirts off players and combing the streets for walk-ons, let's just see what that one game brings. If UF wins, then yes - taking more chances makes sense.
 
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UneducatedGuess said:
But most worrisome is that I think Butch has a team of talented individuals focused more in staying healthy before the NFL combine.
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Who, though?

Sutton is out.
Maybin is out.
Kamara is out.
Barnett is a monster of the gridiron every week.
Hurd?
Dobbs?
 
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NEVolFan said:
Butch should have been pissed 4-5 games ago and not gotten over it.
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Thinking the same thing. We've literally seen the same thing we saw last night since the opening drive of the App State game nearly 2 months ago. He likes using that word, "unacceptable", but he evidently doesn't know what it means, because sloppy, undisciplined football has been accepted by him all season long.
 
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smokey0625 said:
Vanderbilt football personnel told me they have heard ut is dealing with chemistry problems due to Hurd. Doesn't mean it's true, but I'm sure they have inside info to at least some stuff. Lots of personnel guys move from job to job inside the SEC and they remain friends with people they used to work with.
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I posted this yesterday during the game but I talked to someone 3-4 weeks ago who said they know someone (and yes, this is a he said/she said post) that after Hurd scored that touchdown where we ran all the way through the endzone, he came off the field and smarted off to Jones (this came after Jones reamed him for loafing on the pop he took for going lazy on us into the endzone during the same game).

This guy said he did not play the rest of the game after that score and did not play the next game. And that Hurd has become an issue on the team.
 
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Vols_14 said:
I expect extreme coaching changes, also personnel changes. More Kelly, more young guys getting reps, possibly Dormady. I don't think he burns JG's redshirt. If Butch wants to be here he will hire an OC that will run a similar offense but will change it up. Also a QB coach. If he doesn't want to be here we see minimal changes and next year will be his last year
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I have said before that if Dormady was my kid I would talk to him about transferring. I agree that JG is the future and Dormady will still be a backup. We let two quarterbacks leave and are not starting for their teams because lyle fell in love with dobbs. Hurd is standing around and I would is more hurt than just his feelings. I also had heard that he smarted off to lyle on that fumble at the endzone. Possible I guess. Will nerver make a splash in the NFL regardless when he leaves the Vols.
 
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ToptheTerrible said:
I posted this yesterday during the game but I talked to someone 3-4 weeks ago who said they know someone (and yes, this is a he said/she said post) that after Hurd scored that touchdown where we ran all the way through the endzone, he came off the field and smarted off to Jones (this came after Jones reamed him for loafing on the pop he took for going lazy on us into the endzone during the same game).

This guy said he did not play the rest of the game after that score and did not play the next game. And that Hurd has become an issue on the team.
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My Vandy guy is as clued in as they come, said they have heard Hurd is a major problem. Even said some on their staff talked to his high school coaches and he was a problem in high school with attitude.
 
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Given how this team starts games, plays undisciplined football and generally sleep walks through it all, has CBJ lost this team? Are they lazy, or just fundamentally bad?

I think the off-season will be interesting if we have several transfer for "greener pastures" and lose commits for the same reason.

No idea what the answer is, but you don't play football like they do, tempt fate every week and expect to win based off of your pre-season press clippings.
 
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smokey0625 said:
Vanderbilt football personnel told me they have heard ut is dealing with chemistry problems due to Hurd. Doesn't mean it's true, but I'm sure they have inside info to at least some stuff. Lots of personnel guys move from job to job inside the SEC and they remain friends with people they used to work with.
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If even remotely true, bench his ass, no one is bigger than the program!!
 
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Vols_14 said:
I expect extreme coaching changes, also personnel changes. More Kelly, more young guys getting reps, possibly Dormady. I don't think he burns JG's redshirt. If Butch wants to be here he will hire an OC that will run a similar offense but will change it up. Also a QB coach. If he doesn't want to be here we see minimal changes and next year will be his last year
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Glad you put possibly Dormady. He's got 0% chance of getting meaningful reps. My meaning is, that all the meaningful reps are now gone. No matter whether Fla loses two games and we blow 4 straight teams out it makes no difference... this season is a tire fire
 
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ToptheTerrible said:
I posted this yesterday during the game but I talked to someone 3-4 weeks ago who said they know someone (and yes, this is a he said/she said post) that after Hurd scored that touchdown where we ran all the way through the endzone, he came off the field and smarted off to Jones (this came after Jones reamed him for loafing on the pop he took for going lazy on us into the endzone during the same game).

This guy said he did not play the rest of the game after that score and did not play the next game. And that Hurd has become an issue on the team.
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Hurd failed concussion protocols and it's why he didn't play. Hurd pulled himself out of a game earlier this season.
Hurd doesn't like the scheme or how he's being used

All of this according to Vol74 who has been spot on.
 
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smokey0625 said:
My Vandy guy is as clued in as they come, said they have heard Hurd is a major problem. Even said some on their staff talked to his high school coaches and he was a problem in high school with attitude.
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All interesting for sure. I mean Hurd keeps hanging out on the sidelines looking healthy but is "hurt". Just seems suspicious.

Your sources know why Preston really left?
 
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Vols_14 said:
I expect extreme coaching changes, also personnel changes. More Kelly, more young guys getting reps, possibly Dormady. I don't think he burns JG's redshirt. If Butch wants to be here he will hire an OC that will run a similar offense but will change it up. Also a QB coach. If he doesn't want to be here we see minimal changes and next year will be his last year
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That's how muschump "found" brantley and dowdle!
 
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ToptheTerrible said:
All interesting for sure. I mean Hurd keeps hanging out on the sidelines looking healthy but is "hurt". Just seems suspicious.

Your sources know why Preston really left?
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No I just talked today about ut and he brought up hurd. He just said that Vandy staff said Hurd was the cause of chemistry problems.
Also, remember it's only hearsay and Vandy staff. I just give them credit bc i know people are connected to various schools.
 
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smokey0625 said:
My Vandy guy is as clued in as they come, said they have heard Hurd is a major problem. Even said some on their staff talked to his high school coaches and he was a problem in high school with attitude.
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Then you bench his @$$ until he straightens up.
 
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smokey0625 said:
Vanderbilt football personnel told me they have heard ut is dealing with chemistry problems due to Hurd. Doesn't mean it's true, but I'm sure they have inside info to at least some stuff. Lots of personnel guys move from job to job inside the SEC and they remain friends with people they used to work with.
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If thats the case put him on the bench and move on
 
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