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Velo Vol said:
Russia is? Or the Russian Ukrainians?
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Could be both actually. The Ukrainians of Russian decent as well as Russia behind the scenes. Remember, Putin is/was KGB and probably knows how to reach out under the table to get them to say what he wants without officially implicating the Russian government.
 
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A confusing situation, I think:

Russia’s Foreign Ministry confirmed in a statement that the armored personnel carriers spotted around Crimea were Russian, but said that they were only working to supply the base as permitted under a deal with Ukraine. The ministry added that Russia sees recent events in Crimea “as the consequence of recent internal political processes in Ukraine” and would not intervene.
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It was not immediately clear who the men occupying the airports, dressed similarly to men who occupied Crimea’s parliament Thursday, were. Russian state media claimed the men were members of Crimean “self-defense” units formed in the autonomous province in response to the violent overthrowal of Yanukovych last week.
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Will the UN come to the rescue?
 
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Velo Vol said:
The UN Security Council is meeting this afternoon. No doubt Russia will help draft a strongly worded letter condemning the Crimeans.
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I was referring to the idea that the UN could come to the rescue of anyone.
 
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Interesting.

Ukraine. Memorandum on Security Assurances - Wikisource, the free online library

The United States of America, the Russian Federation, and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, reaffirm their commitment to Ukraine, in accordance with the principles of the CSCE Final Act, to respect the Independence and Sovereignty and the existing borders of Ukraine.
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The United States of America, the Russian Federation, and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, reaffirm their obligation to refrain from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of Ukraine, and that none of their weapons will ever be used against Ukraine except in self-defense or otherwise in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations.
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Velo Vol said:
Russia is? Or the Russian Ukrainians?
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Well, I was referring to Russia proper but, as Grand Vol pointed out, yes, I suppose it's both.

Although, one could make the argument that the initial pro-Ukrainian protesters were derailing the democratic process. I guess just a question of what is considered legitimate action against a democratically-elected (yet clearly corrupt) leader.
 
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Velo Vol said:
Who are these "militia" supposed to be guarding the Crimean facilities against?
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It's a really odd situation. And those are some of the best armed/geared impromptu local "self-defense" militia I've ever seen. So much so in fact, that one might even go as far as to wonder if they're just Russian military. Just something that one might wonder.
 
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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TVyPiHVZ1A&feature=youtu.be[/youtube]

That would be scary to see.
 
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@AFP 14m

#BREAKING 2,000 Russian soldiers land in "armed invasion" of Crimea: Kiev official
 
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@EuromaidanPR 1m

#Crimea now: air area closed, TV occupied, telecommunications knocked out, #Russian armored vehicles head for capital @Belsat_Eng |PR
 
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Get the teleprompters warmed up. BO fixin to talk in his angry voice.....juuuust as soon as he hits that last golfball.
 
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Appeared to be Hip transports and Hind gunships. Couldn't get a clear enough look to be certain, but the ones in the foreground looked like Hinds.
 
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I'm hearing conflicting reports about the "armed invasion," but it is indeed verified that gunmen have taken a Crimean TV station.
 
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