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volprof said:
That's a good comparison. Like you, I don't know all the contextual specifics of that situation, but it certainly may provide a useful analog.

Honestly, if Russia moves in, I don't think anyone does anything. Their forces will clash with some protesters, but that's probably all that happens. Rest of the world will just watch. It will set a very bad precedent for Putin's international rapport however.
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I don't think Putin cares about his international rapport.
 
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Not thread worthy, so figured I'd post it here:

Apparently a Russian warship is in Havana harbor.

First the situation in the Ukraine and now this! Another damn Cuban Missile Crisis!

Putin is doing a damn good job of whipping that country back into Cold War shape. He would have made a hell of a premier. Which, I guess he basically is. Just minus the faux communism.
 
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vol4eva said:
The Russian military massing at the Ukranian border is a worrisome sign. According to US officials, if the Russians did invade we wouldn't have enough time to react from a diplomatic standpoint.
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If the Russians did invade, which I highly doubt, there's not much the west would do about it anyway.

We might help bailout their government; I don't see much action beyond that.
 
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More than that, it seems

Crimean Parliament Dismisses Cabinet and Sets Date for Autonomy Referendum | The Moscow Times

The Crimean parliament on Thursday voted in favor of holding a referendum on whether to expand its autonomy and passed a no-confidence motion dismissing the region's government.

The referendum — set for May 25, the same day as Ukraine's presidential election — was supported by 61 out of the 64 deputies who attended Thursday's emergency session, the parliament's press office told RIA Novosti.

Crimeans will vote "yes" or "no" on whether the "Crimea has state sovereignty and is a part of Ukraine, in accordance with treaties and agreements."
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vol4eva said:
The Russian military massing at the Ukranian border is a worrisome sign. According to US officials, if the Russians did invade we wouldn't have enough time to react from a diplomatic standpoint.
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What would we do, anyway?

No way we are getting involved militarily. And diplomatically there's nothing to say of any consequence.
 
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volprof said:
Got a regular ol' separatist movement going on here. I commend the Crimean Parliament for getting that much work done on a day when their building was seized by 50 gunmen. Which, come to think of it, that may have a lot to do with the vote today.
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The new Prime Minister said he is loyal to Yanukovych and ready to follow his orders.
 
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Can't verify the pic but

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Roads to Crimea closed.
 
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Burhead said:
The new Prime Minister said he is loyal to Yanukovych and ready to follow his orders.
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So they are or aren't separatists? I admit, I've not been reading the recent articles posted. Juggling other tasks at the moment.

Edit: I'm referring to the Crimean parliament.
 
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Honestly, even though the opposition isn't full of all well-intentioned folks, I feel bad for the pro-European, ethnic Ukrainians. They've had to put up with Russia's bull**** for centuries and now wait as their country's future hangs in the balance because of a bunch of whiny ass ethnic Russians in Crimea. Double standard much?
 
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lawgator1 said:
What would we do, anyway?

No way we are getting involved militarily. And diplomatically there's nothing to say of any consequence.
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I don't think we can use the phrase never with anything with this administration.

But having said that, there is nothing strategically or economically there for us and this would be a EU problem more than a US problem. There is zero reason for the US to be involved save maybe a neutral third party for negotiations.
 
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Only way we even think about getting involved is if it becomes a human rights issue, which it possibly could given the contexts of the situation (strong ethnic/linguistic/national ties). Even then, it would probably take something extreme.
 
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Fun Fact: There's no land connection between Crimea and Russia. You have to take a short ferry ride to go from one to the other.
 
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volprof said:
So they are or aren't separatists? I admit, I've not been reading the recent articles posted. Juggling other tasks at the moment.

Edit: I'm referring to the Crimean parliament.
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I would say they are moving to that direction. They no longer are recognizing the legitimacy of the new government in Kiev.
 
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UTVOLFAN said:
No, I'm headed to Venezuela next week. I have a couple friends working there, keeping me updated.
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Ah, stay safe man. You seem to have a really interesting job, sounds like something I'd be interested in. :hi:
 
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CNN is currently feeding Reuters footage of Russian MIGs taking off at various bases. Either Russia's Air Force is in need of serious upgrade or this footage is from 1987.
 
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