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I gather they're for the opposition because they weren't treated so well under Soviet rule?
 
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Burhead said:
I saw today where the Berkut police units (the ones at the front of all the violence) will be disbanded. About 4,000 to 5,000 officers are now I'm assuming out of a job. Not sure how the force will take to the decision. Here is a brief article on the unit

BBC News - Ukraine's Berkut police: What makes them special?
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Interesting. Not only are they out of a job, but they have the potential to swing one way or the other in this crisis. And 4-5000 better trained troops heading towards the deposed President would be an interesting situation.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Interesting. Not only are they out of a job, but they have the potential to swing one way or the other in this crisis. And 4-5000 better trained troops heading towards the deposed President would be an interesting situation.
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I like you, Grand Vol. Not your thinking always, but your willingness to honestly dialogue. And I think you're spot on here.
 
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Burhead said:
I saw today where the Berkut police units (the ones at the front of all the violence) will be disbanded. About 4,000 to 5,000 officers are now I'm assuming out of a job. Not sure how the force will take to the decision.
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Don't think it means much unless, for some crazy reason, they were allowed to keep all the equipment.
 
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Velo Vol said:
Don't think it means much unless, for some crazy reason, they were allowed to keep all the equipment.
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I'd say there are probably plenty of weapons caches around that country where they could reequip and resupply.

The tools aren't as important as to which side of the equation a few thousand trained troops take their skills to.
 
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Assume the entire 5,000 Berkut police decided to go over to the Russian side (which, of course, won't happen, as it is presumably divided like the rest of the country).

How much territory can it control in a nation of 44 million?
 
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Velo Vol said:
Assume the entire 5,000 Berkut police decided to go over to the Russian side (which, of course, won't happen, as it is presumably divided like the rest of the country).

How much territory can it control in a nation of 44 million?
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It isn't about the amount of boots on the ground, but about the type and amount of training they have in regards to the remainder of the population.
 
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Velo Vol said:
Assume the entire 5,000 Berkut police decided to go over to the Russian side (which, of course, won't happen, as it is presumably divided like the rest of the country).

How much territory can it control in a nation of 44 million?
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They wouldn't have to control the entire country, just the Eastern portion of the Ukraine. Reading just now that armed men entered the Crimean parliament and raised a Russian flag over it and was cheered on by the people.

Russia has also scrambled some jets on the border that are taken part in the snap military drills Putin ordered yesterday. Viktor Yanukovych is now in the Russian city of Rostov-on-Don and will hold a press conference Friday, still claims he is the legitimate President. Finally interim President Olexander Turchynov warned any movement of the Black Sea Fleet will be seen as acts of aggression.
 
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Don't have an article to link but apparently Russian forces have amassed at the Ukrainian border.

Russia's explanation: we're just staging previously planned military exercises that have absolutely nothing to do with the situation in the Ukraine.

Russia just made a funny joke.

Seriously though, this might get ugly. I hope not for the people in the Ukraine.
 
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Burhead said:
They wouldn't have to control the entire country, just the Eastern portion of the Ukraine. Reading just now that armed men entered the Crimean parliament and raised a Russian flag over it and was cheered on by the people.

Russia has also scrambled some jets on the border that are taken part in the snap military drills Putin ordered yesterday. Viktor Yanukovych is now in the Russian city of Rostov-on-Don and will hold a press conference Friday, still claims he is the legitimate President. Finally interim President Olexander Turchynov warned any movement of the Black Sea Fleet will be seen as acts of aggression.
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Good intel. I was just reading about the armed men taking over the regional parliament building. Damn, this is going down hill quickly. I didn't think it would reach this point.
 
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volprof said:
Don't have an article to link but apparently Russian forces have amassed at the Ukrainian border.

Russia's explanation: we're just staging previously planned military exercises that have absolutely nothing to do with the situation in the Ukraine.

Russia just made a funny joke.

Seriously though, this might get ugly. I hope not for the people in the Ukraine.
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Maybe it's the amateur historian in me but I see Hungary 1956 all over again.
 
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The Russian military massing at the Ukranian border is a worrisome sign. According to US officials, if the Russians did invade we wouldn't have enough time to react from a diplomatic standpoint.
 
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Burhead said:
Maybe it's the amateur historian in me but I see Hungary 1956 all over again.
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That's a good comparison. Like you, I don't know all the contextual specifics of that situation, but it certainly may provide a useful analog.

Honestly, if Russia moves in, I don't think anyone does anything. Their forces will clash with some protesters, but that's probably all that happens. Rest of the world will just watch. It will set a very bad precedent for Putin's international rapport however.
 
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