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Velo Vol said:
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Much better than the NY Times, no doubt.
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Probably
 
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Regardless of where the media comes from, Kerry is right. Ukraine would be a fool to think of trying to take back the Crimea.

Russia will never give that peninsula up to the US/NATO! Ever..
 
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Pacer92 said:
Russia will never give that peninsula up to the US/NATO! Ever..
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No one is asking it to.

Meanwhile, in Donbass.

Putin’s Warlords Slip Out of Control

Mr. Putin’s war in Ukraine has brought death and mayhem to Ukraine, and sanctions, political isolation and an economic downturn to Russia. It has also brought instability to the vast swath of territory that runs from the Donetsk and Luhansk statelets of Ukraine to Russia’s Rostov and Krasnodar regions, linking up with the Caucasus. Mr. Putin’s war in Ukraine, in other words, is slipping out of his control.
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#11,929
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Velo Vol said:
No one is asking it to.

Meanwhile, in Donbass.

Putin’s Warlords Slip Out of Control
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Of course they're not asking...

Poroshenko: Ukraine Will 'Do Everything' To Retake Crimea

Speaking at a news conference on June 5, a day after warning of a "colossal threat" of the resumption of full-scale fighting with Russian-backed rebels in his annual state-of-the-nation address, Poroshenko said that "every day and every moment, we will do everything to return Crimea to Ukraine."
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#11,937
Pacer92 said:
Did you read the article?

Lots of bad light to be cast...
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yeah said Kerry told Poroshenko not to push the fight. if there were other pages i didn't read those but the rest i didn't see anything of note between the two. But to be honest i just got in from being in the sun for 4 hours, could easily have missed something.
 
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Pacer92 said:
What?!? :blink:
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LouderVol said:
his statement was framed under the consideration of the EU/NATO neither of which Ukraine is part of.
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Pacer92 said:
Regardless of where the media comes from, Kerry is right. Ukraine would be a fool to think of trying to take back the Crimea.

Russia will never give that peninsula up to the US/NATO! Ever..
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You were talking about Ukraine taking back Crimea, Ukraine isnt in the EU/NATO so it has nothing to do with the EU/NATO taking Crimea as you put.
 
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Pacer and Ras put your helmets on so when your brains explode it doesn't make a mess.

The ship was in the midst of a yearly NATO training exercise, in which Russia was a participant until two years ago, when they backed rebels in Ukraine and annexed Crimea.
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The Russians were working with NATO, OMG!!!!! The CIA is good.

from the ship link above.
 
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LouderVol said:
Pacer and Ras put your helmets on so when your brains explode it doesn't make a mess.

The Russians were working with NATO, OMG!!!!! The CIA is good.

from the ship link above.
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What's this Satanic world coming to when even Holy Russia, who we thought was our great defender of human freedom, succumbs to Satan, the NWO, Jews, and the Illuminati?

At least Putin seems to have waked Holy Russia from its long slumber and set it on the path of preventing enslavement and giving the world the freedom that the JewS and its ZioNazi Jews have taken from us.

Along with China, Putin will make sure that holy virtues prevail in this great fight against American and Jewish Satanism. Righteousness will triumph, and we will finally all be free!
 
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LouderVol said:
You were talking about Ukraine taking back Crimea, Ukraine isnt in the EU/NATO so it has nothing to do with the EU/NATO taking Crimea as you put.
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I said the US/NATO, which is one in the same.

America(NATO) thought that by funding/promoting a coup in Ukraine would give them access to the Crimea. That was the whole plan.

The Crimea, Sevastopol and the Black Sea naval port is a strategic asset to the Russians. It will never be allowed to fall into western hands.
 
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Pacer92 said:
I said the US/NATO, which is one in the same.

America(NATO) thought that by funding/promoting a coup in Ukraine would give them access to the Crimea. That was the whole plan.

The Crimea, Sevastopol and the Black Sea naval port is a strategic asset to the Russians. It will never be allowed to fall into western hands.
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uhm what? why? we already have a port in that sea. and the only reason we do is because Russia has one in a foreign nation too (used to be foreign nation/still is depending on your view of a 97% election)and the agreement Ukraine has/had with Russia on the usage of that port was going to go on for a long time, and that is independent of ruler. and at the time of the coup there was no talk of Ukraine to NATO. there was talk and popular support of Ukraine to EU. everything about this coup has lead to the benefit of Russia.

-No Ukraine to the EU or NATO
-Direct control of port/Crimea
-Consolidation of Putin's power inside of Russia
-Weaker Ukraine w/ Russian thousands of troops/volunteers occupying land
-Semi autonomous regions that now "sell" directly to Russia so the Russians can sell it (coal) back to Ukraine.
-more expensive gas deal (more money and weaker Ukraine)

and what has the US gotten?
-300 training troops in western Ukraine
-We got rid of some defensive stuff and aid
-We got a "puppet" who doesn't like us
 
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LouderVol said:
uhm what? why? we already have a port in that sea. and the only reason we do is because Russia has one in a foreign nation too (used to be foreign nation/still is depending on your view of a 97% election)and the agreement Ukraine has/had with Russia on the usage of that port was going to go on for a long time, and that is independent of ruler. and at the time of the coup there was no talk of Ukraine to NATO. there was talk and popular support of Ukraine to EU. everything about this coup has lead to the benefit of Russia.

-No Ukraine to the EU or NATO
-Direct control of port/Crimea
-Consolidation of Putin's power inside of Russia
-Weaker Ukraine w/ Russian thousands of troops/volunteers occupying land
-Semi autonomous regions that now "sell" directly to Russia so the Russians can sell it (coal) back to Ukraine.
-more expensive gas deal (more money and weaker Ukraine)

and what has the US gotten?
-300 training troops in western Ukraine
-We got rid of some defensive stuff and aid
-We got a "puppet" who doesn't like us
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Yes, Russia has been the winner and US the loser to this point despite being attacked on many fronts(NATO encroachment, sanctions and media Russophobia).

A direct reflection of the leadership of these two countries.
 
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LouderVol said:
uhm what? why? we already have a port in that sea. and the only reason we do is because Russia has one in a foreign nation too (used to be foreign nation/still is depending on your view of a 97% election)and the agreement Ukraine has/had with Russia on the usage of that port was going to go on for a long time, and that is independent of ruler. and at the time of the coup there was no talk of Ukraine to NATO. there was talk and popular support of Ukraine to EU. everything about this coup has lead to the benefit of Russia.

-No Ukraine to the EU or NATO
-Direct control of port/Crimea
-Consolidation of Putin's power inside of Russia
-Weaker Ukraine w/ Russian thousands of troops/volunteers occupying land
-Semi autonomous regions that now "sell" directly to Russia so the Russians can sell it (coal) back to Ukraine.
-more expensive gas deal (more money and weaker Ukraine)

and what has the US gotten?
-300 training troops in western Ukraine
-We got rid of some defensive stuff and aid
-We got a "puppet" who doesn't like us
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Mister, I don't know who you think you are, Mister. But, Mister, no one slanders the good name of Holy Russia like that!

Mister!
 
#11,950
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Pacer92 said:
Yes, Russia has been the winner and US the loser to this point despite being attacked on many fronts(NATO encroachment, sanctions and media Russophobia).

A direct reflection of the leadership of these two countries.
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so the NATO expansion in 2011 is a threat to Russia today? and media Russophobia? again this never gets enough attention for it to be true Russophobia, granted when it is written it is negative. but no one source parades it up and down like RT, Pravada and others do for America. and what do the Russians care they can't see the negative stuff anyway (TV), or agree with it?

also we are getting darn close to 12k, Prof through a pie and get this thing moving.

*bold is edited, misread the date for Georgia. still not a threat. its not really much encirclement as it is encroachment if you want to make the argument.
 
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