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If you are not ROC in Russia you'll be labeled working with foreign agents. Two more friends of mine (one Russian and one American) have seen a crackdown from the FSB on their "activities". My American friend is no longer welcome in Russia - for his help with orphans and street children. My Russian friend, whose 80% funding that came from the US, now has to quit his ministry because he has no means to keep it going.

Putin, the not fascist, is making sure that the state has full control over every aspect of life and culture in Russia. But according to Ras and Pacer, things in America are far worse off.

Window on Eurasia -- New Series: Putin Moves to Tighten State Control over Russia’s Religious Groups
 
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CSpindizzy said:
If you are not ROC in Russia you'll be labeled working with foreign agents. Two more friends of mine (one Russian and one American) have seen a crackdown from the FSB on their "activities". My American friend is no longer welcome in Russia - for his help with orphans and street children. My Russian friend, whose 80% funding that came from the US, now has to quit his ministry because he has no means to keep it going.

Putin, the not fascist, is making sure that the state has full control over every aspect of life and culture in Russia. But according to Ras and Pacer, things in America are far worse off.

Window on Eurasia -- New Series: Putin Moves to Tighten State Control over Russia’s Religious Groups
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wow,

and to make religious leaders responsible for their followers
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adding that what the new agency will have to focus on in the first instance is on reports from the regions in order to ensure that they are accurate and thus serve as early warning indicators of possible violence.
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Aleksey Makarkin, first vice president of the Moscow Center for Political Technologies, tells Maltsev that the new agency will also have to ensure that religious leaders control their followers. At present, he says, the leaders say one thing; and their subordinates and the faithful do other things. That must end, he says.
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good thing its happening in Russia where people's rights are never infringed upon; I would be in a uproar if our government did this because they aren't trustworthy. good thing Putin is a stand up fellow.

and honestly if that happened here I don't know what i would do.I don't think it is the Churches job to dictate and be responsible for my actions because i show up on sundays.
 
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Ukrainian guy gets mistaken as a darker skinned Tajik and gets beaten to death. I guess the darker skinned guys are only good for sending to Donbas to shoot a AK.

Two nationalists accused of killing nonwhite men at the station Silicate in Moscow, placed under house arrest, according to the press service of the Investigative Committee of Russia (MRS).

The third defendant is under supervision. All involved in the case - have not tried the 16-year-old resident of Moscow. "Interrogated as defendants guilty to alleged crimes fully recognized," - said the TFR.

The incident occurred on February 14 stations Silicate Kursk direction MOR. According to LifeNews, the attackers took the victim of a citizen of Tajikistan and beat him on the ground of national hatred. However, the man was a citizen of Ukraine named Roman Muzichenko. February 26, he died in hospital from his injuries. In the attack, 21 people participated, 18 have already been arrested. Age nationalists - from 15 to 20 years.

In addition, the TFR was found that this group of aggressive young people on the same day at the station Chekhov beat another man nonwhite.

Currently, investigators establish identity of other participants in these crimes.
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Обвиняемых в убийстве украинца московских националистов арестовали: Следствие и суд: Силовые структуры: Lenta.ru
 
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CSpindizzy said:
Window on Eurasia -- New Series: Putin Moves to Tighten State Control over Russia’s Religious Groups
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the new agency will also have to ensure that religious leaders control their followers. At present, he says, the leaders say one thing; and their subordinates and the faithful do other things. That must end, he says.
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wut

How, why are churches supposed to do that?

Meanwhile,

Ben Carson Warns Sunni and Shia Muslims Could ‘Unite’ to ‘Destroy’ U.S. | Mediaite

Later in the interview, when Hewitt asked his guest if he thinks NATO should be prepared to intervene if Vladimir Putin tries to invade the Baltic states, Carson said we “need to convince [the Baltic states] to get involved in NATO” first.
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OK, then.
 
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CSpindizzy said:
I told Ras Putin selling Russia out to China would not fare well. China will drive a hard bargain and put Russia in a financial bind. China's found themselves a discount store on resources. They can drop kick everyone else and make Russia their resource slaves. Russians won't realize this until it it too late.
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What if China is behind the events in Ukraine these last two years? Seems to me they've benefited most.

A Chinese Kiev coup? Could it be?
 
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CSpindizzy said:
Ukrainian guy gets mistaken as a darker skinned Tajik and gets beaten to death. I guess the darker skinned guys are only good for sending to Donbas to shoot a AK.



Обвиняемых в убийстве украинца московских националистов арестовали: Следствие и суд: Силовые структуры: Lenta.ru
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mhm good old fashioned nationalist pride. good thing they aren't fascist otherwise this would be great evidence for it.
 
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volprof said:
What if China is behind the events in Ukraine these last two years? Seems to me they've benefited most.

A Chinese Kiev coup? Could it be?
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Ask Ras. I'm sure he may be able to find some foil hat site with that as the line of thinking. He may not admit that as a possibility though because it does not fit his "blame America" argument.
 
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More and more stories and videos coming out pointing to a BUK. Interviews with people near ground zero are admitting they saw/heard a missile launch. Russia has to be nervous over this info. With the argument that a Ukrainian plane shot MH-17 down you will see them scramble back to the whole "Ukraine has BUK's as well" argument. But when you have people behind the lines admitting to a local launch and just the simple trajectory indicative by the damage, this blame argument is discounted as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-mRxT8_AsY&feature=youtu.be

MH17 shot down by BUK missile: The definitive proof | RTL Nieuws
 
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Pacer92 said:
Was there ever any doubt the US didn't want peace? The US/Kiev want to make rules up on the go..

http://rt.com/news/242273-lavrov-washington-kiev-military/
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Again, seeing who is still actively engaged in war here it's difficult for you to continue with that logic. It is funny how the DNR/LNR cried about special status for so long. Now they get this defined THEY are the ones complaining about moving the goalposts. What is Russia afraid of? Ukraine simply calls for elections that are based on international law and monitoring as well as Ukrainian law which is based on the same ones under Yanukovich. Russia seems to harp on that being a bar that is set but when Ukraine goes by this Russia stammers over this not being a part of the agreement. Russia didn't seem to have a problem with continued war after the ceasefire date and the lines STILL moving further north. instead of insisting on the US and Ukraine pushing war perhaps they can speak on their pets still trying to advance after they signed a ceasefire? Maybe the word ceasefire is not in the Russian language. Perhaps they cannot read? Perhaps they just sign agreements they have no intention of honoring? Based on how Crimea was stolen, I'd go with that being the line of thought for Russia.

Perhaps Moscow, instead of pointing fingers and claiming conspiracies elsewhere, can take a look in the mirror and see who the real culprit is here. Maybe we can look to see who is still fighting the war. Who is arming the "freelancers". Who still has the open border allowing more "freelancers" to come across.

It really astounds me that so called educated and experienced people are still spouting off this nonsense. And believe it to be fact. What kills me is that Americans like certain ones here actually believe it as well.
 
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Will be curious to see what other former Eastern bloc nations opinions are. Most still haven't forgotten the horrors of Russian dominance.
 
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CSpindizzy said:
More and more stories and videos coming out pointing to a BUK.
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What about "Carlos"?

Also, there was still large pieces of plane wreckage on the ground four months after the attack?

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Was there ever any doubt the US didn't want peace?
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No, there is not. That's why we've been warring so much there, with blankets and night vision equipment.
 
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Pacer92 said:
Was there ever any doubt the US didn't want peace? The US/Kiev want to make rules up on the go..

http://rt.com/news/242273-lavrov-washington-kiev-military/
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So the US supporting Ukraine's decision to force the two regions to hold elections is warmongering. right.

too bad the two regions aren't holding up their side of the bargain. Ukraine troops don't control their border with Russia as was agreed upon. both "republics" have seized land despite the ceasefire.
 
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Velo Vol said:
What about "Carlos"?

Also, there was still large pieces of plane wreckage on the ground four months after the attack?



No, there is not. That's why we've been warring so much there, with blankets and night vision equipment.
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Carlos - the blogger who had been making crazy statements well before this and made claims that he was the only foreign ATC in Ukraine. Where did he go? Where is he now? No one seems to know where he is. Or how a Spanish national (that Spain cannot even identify) was allowed to get a job for Ukrainian ATC to begin with. I'm curious about this troll as well. Wild unsubstantiated claims never proven.
 
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