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Burhead said:
In defense of him, all sides committed crimes.
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Not in defense of him. He's sticking with one side and all others lying. I think the media was pretty clear during the conflict that all sides had committed atrocities but the most blatant and widespread were on the part of the Serbs. For an indication I was digging through some of my old junk a few months back from my hoarding days and saw Time, Newsweek, and US News & World Report mags from then showing where all sides were involved in issues. But according to the Serbs and Russians the Serbs were victims and pawns in NATO's land grabbing games. I'll even throw in our little friend from Russia involved in Crimea and Donbas Mr. Strelkov was even there in the Balkans doing some questionable actions back then as well. I think the pattern of crimes but claims of victimization all seem to come from Russia and her minions.
 
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Burhead said:
Oh and I'm not sure how I forgot about Nagorno-Karabakh either. Funny that Russia has a hand in all these "independence" movements in the former Soviet bloc isn't it?
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They are all about independence as long as it is outside their borders. Internally, they'll stomp the daylights out of it. Grozny's multiple poundings over the past 20 years testify to that.
 
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Burhead said:
I don't fault them though. Both occupied provinces are Georgian territory propped up by the Russian Army.
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There by mutual agreement from the 91-92 War.

Like I said, both sides are equally wrong. However, I'm less inclined to take the neutral position on this with Russia's current situation.
 
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Pacer92 said:
Hardly..
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Well, you were the one that said:

Pacer92 said:
Dude, it's PROPAGANDA to make you and all Americans fear Muslims so we can continuously fight wars. Wars make money.....for the elite....that you and I pay for.
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So if the government was making us afraid of Muslims, why would we have come in trying to protect them during the 90s?

I'll let you sort your facts out before responding.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Well, you were the one that said:



So if the government was making us afraid of Muslims, why would we have come in trying to protect them during the 90s?

I'll let you sort your facts out before responding.
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Nothing to do with what I was saying...
 
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Grand Vol said:
I figured out your troll job before anyone else.

Can't be that clueless.

So again, this would be a problem because? Did the US invade when the Soviets were in Cuba? Or Nicaragua? Or invade North Vietnam?
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Those aren't great examples.
Cuba- the bay of pigs invasion? Of course JFK pulled the naval support at the last minute infuriating his cabinet, but we financed the failed invasion.

Nicaragua- Iran contra? The contras were nasty. Heck, the locals would have preferred a US invasion. At least US soldiers don't torture, behead, and terrorize civilians.

N. Vietnam. Well we bombed the sh_t out of N Vietnam. There wasn't anything left worth invading.
 
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red butler said:
Those aren't great examples.
Cuba- the bay of pigs invasion? Of course JFK pulled the naval support at the last minute infuriating his cabinet, but we financed the failed invasion.
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Bay of Pigs also being exiled Cubans for the most part.

red butler said:
Nicaragua- Iran contra? The contras were nasty. Heck, the locals would have preferred a US invasion. At least US soldiers don't torture, behead, and terrorize civilians.
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Again, Rebels from the host country.

red butler said:
N. Vietnam. Well we bombed the sh_t out of N Vietnam. There wasn't anything left worth invading.
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I wouldn't go that far. We didn't invade because it was thought such intervention would have provoked a Soviet response. And was against the "goals" of the war.

My point was, none of the nations I listed had armed troops enter under the guise of "volunteers" like the Crimea had. Call it what you want, but it was an outright invasion.
 
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so of all the nations we "carved up" only one got smaller? seems like yet again Pacer does not under stand the words he is using. I wish we had carved up some of those nations, might have avoided some of the issues today. (might being the key word obviously) A Kurdistan would be nice to see if it didn't lead to another messy war over there. Iraq and Iran are getting buddy buddy, seems like our carving up worked just like we wanted. Libya, while we got our hands dirty there I don't think it has broken up just yet, and seeing how the US has seen zero benefit i see it unlikely. Syria, one i wish that had been carved up even though we have not been involved there until this last year. but if at some point we had carved it up the civil war (2011) might have been avoided and thus ISIS. Haiti, i honestly don't know anything about, but again last i checked still intact, and the living conditions now suck because of natural disasters not the government (as much). Cuba yeah we did such a good job carving it up, took 40 yrs but we finally confined Fidel to hospital bed, and gave the rest of the country to his brother, to continue doing exactly what Fidel was doing.

the russian apologists need to use the correct words. its hard to have a discussion when one side refuses to speak the same language.
 
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Velo Vol said:
Onward Christian Soldiers!

Interfax-Religion | Russia is urged to revive Christianity in Europe - Patriarch Kirill
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If it's not Christianity under the domain of Kirill they are fine with killing others off. They've already gone after protestant and even Ukrainian orthodox in the Donbas. Nothing says good Christian behavior like dragging evangelicals out of their church and executing them for treason. A pastor I know barely escaped with his life and his younger children's while his two adult sons were shot.
 
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CSpindizzy said:
Seen several stories about the discovery of BUK missile fragments found within the wreckage of MH17. If fragments were found then the story builds and begins to point to Russia and the DNR/LNR.

Уничтожение "Боинга" MH-17: ПОÐ*АЖАЮЩИЕ Ð*ЛЕМЕНТЫ Ð*ОССИЙСКОЙ Ð*АКЕТЫ БУК-М1-2, КОТОÐ*АЯ СБИЛА МАЛАЙЗИЙСКИЙ БОИНГ MH-17. Ð*КСКЛЮЗИВНЫЙ ФОТОÐ*ЕПОÐ*ТАЖ
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Probably why it took so long for them to let the outside world into the crash site. They were probably trying to make sure they had all of that kind of material cleaned up and either destroyed or sent back to Putin's office.
 
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