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Rasputin_Vol said:
This is a good thing, right? Don't we want to see peace? I don't understand the face palming...
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You mean yet another cease fire "agreement" that won't be kept up past twelve hours? If that much?

**** the separatists and **** their Russian backers at this point. They have showed they are not capable of "peace" in any shape or form. Give the Ukrainians anything they want, train them on the use thereof and dare, straight ****ing dare the Russians to say one word about it.
 
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Grand Vol said:
You mean yet another cease fire "agreement" that won't be kept up past twelve hours? If that much?

**** the separatists and **** their Russian backers at this point. They have showed they are not capable of "peace" in any shape or form. Give the Ukrainians anything they want, train them on the use thereof and dare, straight ****ing dare the Russians to say one word about it.
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But wait... first off, the US wasn't even involved in Minsk I or II. Why does the US have the right to subvert or bypass a peace agreement that we weren't even involved in? Plus, by their own admission, the US officials are putting it on hold in order to give the ceasefire a chance. As long as there is a chance for peace, why are you in support of pushing a war agenda?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
But wait... first off, the US wasn't even involved in Minsk I or II. Why does the US have the right to subvert or bypass a peace agreement that we weren't even involved in? Plus, by their own admission, the US officials are putting it on hold in order to give the ceasefire a chance. As long as there is a chance for peace, why are you in support of pushing a war agenda?
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There is no peace, the separatist are using this as a way to regroup and resupply before launching their assault on Mariupol.
 
#9,808
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Rasputin_Vol said:
But wait... first off, the US wasn't even involved in Minsk I or II. Why does the US have the right to subvert or bypass a peace agreement that we weren't even involved in? Plus, by their own admission, the US officials are putting it on hold in order to give the ceasefire a chance. As long as there is a chance for peace, why are you in support of pushing a war agenda?
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So in turn, if the US wasn't involved with Minsk 1 or 2 and the separatists still broke the cease fire (yes they did, don't even argue) both times, it's fairly obvious they aren't ****ing working!

So at this point, instead of letting the Ukraine get made into an ass a third time, it's way past time to instill some balls into our foreign policy and give them what they've been begging for the whole time. And **** the Russians or anyone else who wants to complain. You don't like it? Deal with it or go for an outright invasion to show the world your true colors.

Ukraine wants to be our friend and is begging us for help. Instead we're saying "It's okay guys, step back up a third time. I doubt Ivan will kick you in the balls again." **** this utter horse**** about pushing a war agenda. Russia is pushing a ****ing war agenda you idiot. You can deny it all you ****ing want you childish imbecile, but how in the hell else are the separatists getting supplied? How the hell is the Ukrainian military low on everything but somehow the separatists manage to have all sorts of equipment, supplies and ammunition? They "captured" it? Yeah, they captured it from those "aid" convoys rolling in from Russia.

**** this noise. We don't have a President worthy of the ****ing title to ignore someone begging for help from an aggressive neighbor. And **** the whole "we don't have interests there" nonsense. A nation that wants to be our friend and ally is begging us for help from a larger aggressive neighbor that's already seized land it didn't own. Yet we're plainly telling them to go back one more time and get treated like a ***** again.

Grow up Ras. If you want to play the Kremlin mouthpiece, do it somewhere else. I'm tired of the same stupid **** you keep spouting off about how innocent Russia is in all this. You flatly refuse to see both sides of this situation and you make yourself look stupid every time you post. Grow...the...****...up.
 
#9,809
#9,809
Grand Vol said:
Give the Ukrainians anything they want
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I don't know about that. But surveillance, communications equipment and anti-armor weapons should be made available.

The problem with waiting on Minsk II is that when we act it may be too late to help.
 
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Velo Vol said:
I don't know about that. But surveillance, communications equipment and anti-armor weapons should be made available.

The problem with waiting on Minsk II is that when we act it may be too late to help.
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Give them anything other than CBRN. I'd make the Berlin Airlift look like a crop dusting flight.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Give them anything other than CBRN. I'd make the Berlin Airlift look like a crop dusting flight.
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Even old generation M1s are probably better than their standard upgraded T-62s. You give them the tools and the training they will take the fight to the enemy.
 
#9,814
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Grand Vol said:
So in turn, if the US wasn't involved with Minsk 1 or 2 and the separatists still broke the cease fire (yes they did, don't even argue) both times, it's fairly obvious they aren't ****ing working!

How often has the US been involved in peace deals in the Middle East in the last 50 years? they obviously haven't been working, either.

So at this point, instead of letting the Ukraine get made into an ass a third time, it's way past time to instill some balls into our foreign policy and give them what they've been begging for the whole time. And **** the Russians or anyone else who wants to complain. You don't like it? Deal with it or go for an outright invasion to show the world your true colors.

What business is it of ours to be involved in a regional fight that is halfway around the world?

Ukraine wants to be our friend and is begging us for help. Instead we're saying "It's okay guys, step back up a third time. I doubt Ivan will kick you in the balls again." **** this utter horse**** about pushing a war agenda. Russia is pushing a ****ing war agenda you idiot. You can deny it all you ****ing want you childish imbecile, but how in the hell else are the separatists getting supplied? How the hell is the Ukrainian military low on everything but somehow the separatists manage to have all sorts of equipment, supplies and ammunition? They "captured" it? Yeah, they captured it from those "aid" convoys rolling in from Russia.

**** this noise. We don't have a President worthy of the ****ing title to ignore someone begging for help from an aggressive neighbor. And **** the whole "we don't have interests there" nonsense. A nation that wants to be our friend and ally is begging us for help from a larger aggressive neighbor that's already seized land it didn't own. Yet we're plainly telling them to go back one more time and get treated like a ***** again.

Grow up Ras. If you want to play the Kremlin mouthpiece, do it somewhere else. I'm tired of the same stupid **** you keep spouting off about how innocent Russia is in all this. You flatly refuse to see both sides of this situation and you make yourself look stupid every time you post. Grow...the...****...up.

No, I have no desire to play Kremlin mouthpiece. I believe the Kremlin can do fine on its own without me. Instead, I would rather follow the Constitution and the wisdom of our founders about getting involved in entanglements in Europe.
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#9,816
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Rasputin_Vol said:
How often has the US been involved in peace deals in the Middle East in the last 50 years? they obviously haven't been working, either.
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Yeah, the Camp David Accords have been a massive failure. As the Israel-Jordan Peace Treaty and Oslo II.

You are ignorant, childish and have zero concept of actually doing any work to base your postings on.

Rasputin_Vol said:
What business is it of ours to be involved in a regional fight that is halfway around the world?
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What business is it of Russia's? They have zero business getting involved in internal Ukrainian matters either, but you would prefer a nation that wants to be our friend get treated like a ***** by a larger, more aggressive nation.

If you were getting butt raped by a much larger individual, what business is it of mine to get involved?

Rasputin_Vol said:
No, I have no desire to play Kremlin mouthpiece. I believe the Kremlin can do fine on its own without me. Instead, I would rather follow the Constitution and the wisdom of our founders about getting involved in entanglements in Europe.
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You have zero concept of the Founding Fathers. Your own sad lack of history and childish attitudes would appall them.
 
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#9,817
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Rasputin_Vol said:
But wait... first off, the US wasn't even involved in Minsk I or II. Why does the US have the right to subvert or bypass a peace agreement that we weren't even involved in? Plus, by their own admission, the US officials are putting it on hold in order to give the ceasefire a chance. As long as there is a chance for peace, why are you in support of pushing a war agenda?
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How does training the Ukrainian military subvert or bypass a peace agreement? I mean if the Russians can send "freelancers" with top notch equipment before, during, and after why can't we? Simply going to Ukraine and picking a western corner to train their forces should not be a problem. Seems odd that the country that's not involved can do this and no one else can.
 
#9,820
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Grand Vol said:
Yeah, the Camp David Accords have been a massive failure. As the Israel-Jordan Peace Treaty and Oslo II.

Israel is still expanding into Gaza, which is just one violation of the Camp David Accord.



What business is it of Russia's?

The US destabilized a country on Russia's border. This isn't a chicken vs egg paradox. It is clear to most people with common sense that it was the actions of the US that was the catalyst for all of this. Had the US minded their own business in the first place, Russia wouldn't have needed to get involved. And again, I'm not arguing that Russia isn't involved in Ukraine. The debate is over how much involvement they have in Ukraine.


You have zero concept of the Founding Fathers. Your own sad lack of history and childish attitudes would appall them.

The great rule of conduct for us in regard to foreign nations is in extending our commercial relations, to have with them as little political connection as possible. So far as we have already formed engagements, let them be fulfilled with perfect good faith. Here let us stop. Europe has a set of primary interests which to us have none; or a very remote relation. Hence she must be engaged in frequent controversies, the causes of which are essentially foreign to our concerns. Hence, therefore, it must be unwise in us to implicate ourselves by artificial ties in the ordinary vicissitudes of her politics, or the ordinary combinations and collisions of her friendships or enmities.

George Washington's Farewell Address
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#9,821
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Grand Vol said:
So in turn, if the US wasn't involved with Minsk 1 or 2 and the separatists still broke the cease fire (yes they did, don't even argue) both times, it's fairly obvious they aren't ****ing working!

So at this point, instead of letting the Ukraine get made into an ass a third time, it's way past time to instill some balls into our foreign policy and give them what they've been begging for the whole time. And **** the Russians or anyone else who wants to complain. You don't like it? Deal with it or go for an outright invasion to show the world your true colors.

Ukraine wants to be our friend and is begging us for help. Instead we're saying "It's okay guys, step back up a third time. I doubt Ivan will kick you in the balls again." **** this utter horse**** about pushing a war agenda. Russia is pushing a ****ing war agenda you idiot. You can deny it all you ****ing want you childish imbecile, but how in the hell else are the separatists getting supplied? How the hell is the Ukrainian military low on everything but somehow the separatists manage to have all sorts of equipment, supplies and ammunition? They "captured" it? Yeah, they captured it from those "aid" convoys rolling in from Russia.

**** this noise. We don't have a President worthy of the ****ing title to ignore someone begging for help from an aggressive neighbor. And **** the whole "we don't have interests there" nonsense. A nation that wants to be our friend and ally is begging us for help from a larger aggressive neighbor that's already seized land it didn't own. Yet we're plainly telling them to go back one more time and get treated like a ***** again.

Grow up Ras. If you want to play the Kremlin mouthpiece, do it somewhere else. I'm tired of the same stupid **** you keep spouting off about how innocent Russia is in all this. You flatly refuse to see both sides of this situation and you make yourself look stupid every time you post. Grow...the...****...up.
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Grand went "volprof" last night, I see.

It's okay. Happens to the best of us sometimes. Ras, in particular, will do it to you.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
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Oh? And are you calling on Egypt to stop blowing **** up in Gaza as well?

Funny how retards like you only focus on the Israeli side of things in Gaza and completely ignore the Egyptian side of things.

And Russia is way more involved in the Ukraine than you'll ever admit.
 
#9,825
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Grand Vol said:
Oh? And are you calling on Egypt to stop blowing **** up in Gaza as well?

Funny how retards like you only focus on the Israeli side of things in Gaza and completely ignore the Egyptian side of things.
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Assuming Egypt is doing so, I'm not the one proclaiming the Camp David Accords a success. So if both sides are attacking Gaza, then that pretty much kills your argument.
 
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