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CSpindizzy said:
So they are buying the cheap junk they just made?
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It will still be relatively cheap in the Chinese domestic currency. On the other hand, with the USD declining in the future, most Americans will see a trip to Walmart being tantamount to a shopping trip to Neiman-Marcus.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
It will still be relatively cheap in the Chinese domestic currency. On the other hand, with the USD declining in the future, most Americans will see a trip to Walmart being tantamount to a shopping trip to Neiman-Marcus.
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Again, what is going to happen to all those American companies in China? Do they suddenly become Chinese companies?
 
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MG1968 said:
Again, what is going to happen to all those American companies in China? Do they suddenly become Chinese companies?
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Again? That wasn't the original question asked. He asked about buying the cheap junk from China. Now you're asking about the fate of the American companies. 2 totally different questions.

Now to your question, we are seeing China turn away from the American dollar today, and gradually, the Chinese will be able to move away from dependence on American companies as they either satisfy their own manufacturing needs or go to other Eurasian allies (South Korea and Germany).
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Not surprising. Pretty much what I expected from a Vice report.
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Amazing how you actually get multiple viewpoints in this report. Far different from the nut theory sources you link. Difference in a more independent source versus a state propaganda rag.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Again? That wasn't the original question asked. He asked about buying the cheap junk from China. Now you're asking about the fate of the American companies. 2 totally different questions.

Now to your question, we are seeing China turn away from the American dollar today, and gradually, the Chinese will be able to move away from dependence on American companies as they either satisfy their own manufacturing needs or go to other Eurasian allies (South Korea and Germany).
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He asked you the same question twice. Stop skimming/cherry picking and pay attention.
 
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LouderVol said:
what a load of crap. I am sure that the US is taking measures within our own country to prevent a "Maidan".

the Russian envoy is the one spouting all the crap about what NATO wants. the quote says nothing about NATO instigating a "Maidan" in Moscow.
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Is this your answer to everything? Pro American no matter what? Lol
 
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why is it a recurring theme w/ Ras that nations are suddenly going to go independent and remove themselves from the global economy? how is the world filled with business deals in Yen, Rubbles, Dollars, Pounds, Reichmarks, Franks etc all, going to be any better? what are the value of those media to one another? There is always a rudimentary 'base' the world economy has to judge itself on. And right now the US GDP is head and shoulders above everyone else. Until something happens to the US the US dollar is going to be the basis for trade. The only difference in the 'world free from the US petrodollar' scheme that you keep bringing up is that all trade is going to take one more step than it did before. Instead of now where you take your money convert to US dollar and buy the goods you will convert your money to dollars then dollars to whatever then buy your goods. if it suddenly became Gold as the standard congrats everyone gets an ever decreasing share of a precious metal that 99.999% of people would never have a use for. we would spark more Gold rushes and you get to see countries that had huge stockpiles of Gold but very little in overall economy suddenly go the way of Spain in the 18th century.
 
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CSpindizzy said:
If you trust Putin to tell you what the US is up to you are a fool. Keep following AgitProp for your indoctrination my friend. You are merely showing you are not some independent free thinking person you claim to be. You claim to hate canned media with a bias/agenda but keep using it to back you up.
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Dude, you simply are a hypocrit because you bad mouth people for doing exactly what you do! It's getting old...
 
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Pacer92 said:
Is this your answer to everything? Pro American no matter what? Lol
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WHAT? I said exactly nothing pro-US. just saying the article builds its argument around a quote that doesn't make the point the article is trying to make. The quote from NATO was that Russia is preparing to stop/avoid a Maidan incident. and the article runs off saying "Look, look we have proof NATO is getting ready to overthrow Putin." when it says nothing about that.
 
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Pacer92 said:
Dude, you simply are a hypocrit because you bad mouth people for doing exactly what you do! It's getting old...
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How is that? I'm not a Russian government voice cheerleader who claims to hate all government voice but really just hates America, its foreign policy, and its media. I ask you and Ras point blank if you are a fascist judging by who you use to back your views up with and neither of you answer. Instead, the response is I am a government agent fixing elections and helping coups and all other assorted far fetched allegations. You say you hate government media. Then you use government media to prop your opinion. Your claims and your words/deeds do not match. And you cannot even admit what you are politically. It's great hiding anonymously behind the keyboard lobbing bombs attacking others. But when you get held to task and even asked for your own beliefs you pull things out of the logical fallacy bag of tricks.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Again? That wasn't the original question asked. He asked about buying the cheap junk from China. Now you're asking about the fate of the American companies. 2 totally different questions.

Now to your question, we are seeing China turn away from the American dollar today, and gradually, the Chinese will be able to move away from dependence on American companies as they either satisfy their own manufacturing needs or go to other Eurasian allies (South Korea and Germany).
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And America will do the same thing with places like Bangladesh, Mexico, etc.
 
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As i pointed out earlier they keep using the word facism to describe the US when in their descriptions it is clearly not facism. they need a new term.
 
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MG1968 said:
and what happens to all the American companies in China? Do they suddenly get taken over by the communist government in Beijing? It would be hard to cutoff America from it's own products.
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The main reason for those companies being in China was for the cheap labor rates. If the Yuan rises against the dollar, the advantages of manufacturing in China diminish. They will either have to come back home or find an even cheaper labor market.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
The main reason for those companies being in China was for the cheap labor rates. If the Yuan rises against the dollar, the advantages of manufacturing in China diminish. They will either have to come back home or find an even cheaper labor market.
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Neither of which spells disaster for the US economy.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
The main reason for those companies being in China was for the cheap labor rates. If the Yuan rises against the dollar, the advantages of manufacturing in China diminish. They will either have to come back home or find an even cheaper labor market.
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So you think all 1 billion+ will become middle class or higher? I never see China allowing a discontinuance of a lower class labor force. Whether from internal or external motivations.
 
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LouderVol said:
As i pointed out earlier they keep using the word facism to describe the US when in their descriptions it is clearly not facism. they need a new term.
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It's why I keep saying they make good Putin apologists. If you disagree with them you get called a fascist or Nazi. Russians apply the name to anyone disagreeing with them. They forget about the actual beliefs and actions that they themselves do that truly makes THEM the fascists. The get confused on the definition of the term.
 
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LouderVol said:
just curious, how did that whole manufacturing to service industry work out for the US? it won't be clean pretty or perfect and won't help them in the long run, see the US.
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They don't have to let their manufacturing go overseas like we did. It was a conscious decision to open cheap labor markets when we signed all the free trade agreements.
 
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LouderVol said:
just curious, how did that whole manufacturing to service industry work out for the US? it won't be clean pretty or perfect and won't help them in the long run, see the US.
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It didn't work out at all for us. I'm not sure what that has to do with what I said about China or what China plans on doing. I never said that China was going to export their manufacturing. I said that goods manufactured in China for the American market will be expensive here in the states. Where as China will maintain its manufacturing base domestically to satisfy domestic demand.

America outsourced manufacturing to support domestic demand. Big difference.
 
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CSpindizzy said:
So they are buying the cheap junk they just made?
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How do you think the US excelled when it was a manufacturing economy? We bought the stuff we made. Someone said earlier that China's economy was going to blow up in their face. The better analysis is they're all about to blow up in all our faces. World debt levels are just that staggering.

The question is would you rather be a creditor nation with a manufacturing economy, or in debt equal to your GDP and a financial services based economy?
 
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